Help! Oil Leak!
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:07 pm quote
I just noticed some oil around the back tired and a little bit on top of the bottom part of the suspension. I cleaned it a bit and I noticed the oil is fresh and clear (I guess clean), but I do not know where is coming from. I checked the engine oil level and it is between the Min and Max. I am concern since it looks like a lot of oil. I need help, I am attaching a few pics.

It is a 2008 Vespa LX with just over 600 miles. I started using it a lot lately.

Thanks!

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Molto Verboso
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:12 pm quote
Check the oil level to see if it's overfilled.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:14 pm quote
Is it a 2 stroke?

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Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:31 pm quote
SCTLVR wrote:
Check the oil level to see if it's overfilled.
I will do it again. I checked the oil earlier today and it looked a little high. I will wait until the engine is cold. Thank you! what else should I check? The Vespa was sitting for a while until I started using it less than a month ago.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:32 pm quote
znomit wrote:
Is it a 2 stroke?

Welcome to MV.
4 stroke I guess. It is a 2008 LX50
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:43 pm quote
It looks like the oil has been overfilled in the past and is collecting in the air filter box. Look for gobs of oil in the air filter. If the filter is clean, another possibility is that the shock absorber is leaking oil. Bounce the scooter up and down and listen for clunking sounds, and see if the rear of the scooter continues to bounce more than once.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:55 pm quote
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
It looks like the oil has been overfilled in the past and is collecting in the air filter box. Look for gobs of oil in the air filter. If the filter is clean, another possibility is that the shock absorber is leaking oil. Bounce the scooter up and down and listen for clunking sounds, and see if the rear of the scooter continues to bounce more than once.
Thank you very much. Another thing that came to my mind. When I start the Vespa, some times I have to give it a few tries because on the first attempt it usually die on me, so I have to either try a few times and run it a bit, or I have to hit the throttle a couple times before I try to start it again. I do not know if that has something to do with the oil situation. I read I need to clean the carb. what do you think?

Thank you!
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:59 pm quote
An oil filter full of oil could be part of the starting problem. Clean it up first and see if that helps.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:02 pm quote
If it were me, I'd try adding about an ounce of Seafoam to the gas and running a while, before I started to clean the carb.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:04 pm quote
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
It looks like the oil has been overfilled in the past and is collecting in the air filter box. Look for gobs of oil in the air filter. If the filter is clean, another possibility is that the shock absorber is leaking oil. Bounce the scooter up and down and listen for clunking sounds, and see if the rear of the scooter continues to bounce more than once.
There should be a small transparent "tit" thing attached to the bottom rear of the airbox. Run your finger along the bottom of the airbox. Oil will not travel forwards.

I'd say from the shock.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:05 pm quote
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
An oil filter full of oil could be part of the starting problem. Clean it up first and see if that helps.
Perfect, Thank you for your help, so I will check the oil level, the air filter as you mentioned first and to check the oil filter, don't I have to change the oil? drain it? and replace it?
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:14 pm quote
No, do one thing at a time. Check the air filter and clean that up first. The oil should be changed eventually -- it looks old and dirty -- and you'll change the oil filter then (if there is one on an LX50).

Waspmike also suggests the shock. If you rule out the air filter as the source of the oil, look at the shock again.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:21 pm quote
CaissaE wrote:
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
An oil filter full of oil could be part of the starting problem. Clean it up first and see if that helps.
Perfect, Thank you for your help, so I will check the oil level, the air filter as you mentioned first and to check the oil filter, don't I have to change the oil? drain it? and replace it?
http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic152653
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:30 pm quote
Did you just acquire this scooter recently, or have you had it since it was new?

If it's been sitting for years I would recommend a thorough going-over and tune-up. Change the oil, replace the spark plug. The tires are probably more than ten years old and should be replaced, regardless of how many miles are on them. Check the brakes and change the brake fluid. Check other rubber bits like fuel and vacuum hoses. Have the battery tested. If it's the original it's due to fail -- and you don't want it to leave you stranded.

You could have a scooter shop or dealer do all this for you, but I'd recommend learning to do most of the easier stuff yourself. You'll save a lot of money and get a lot of satisfaction out of repairing your own scooter. Lots of guidance here on MV.

Good luck, ride safe, & have fun!
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:44 pm quote
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
Did you just acquire this scooter recently, or have you had it since it was new?

If it's been sitting for years I would recommend a thorough going-over and tune-up. Change the oil, replace the spark plug. The tires are probably more than ten years old and should be replaced, regardless of how many miles are on them. Check the brakes and change the brake fluid. Check other rubber bits like fuel and vacuum hoses. Have the battery tested. If it's the original it's due to fail -- and you don't want it to leave you stranded.

You could have a scooter shop or dealer do all this for you, but I'd recommend learning to do most of the easier stuff yourself. You'll save a lot of money and get a lot of satisfaction out of repairing your own scooter. Lots of guidance here on MV.

Good luck, ride safe, & have fun!
Wow, this is great info. I want to learn and start doing it myself. It looks fun and the satisfaction will be there too. I will follow your guideline.

Yes, I bought it about a month ago, and it was storage, barely used, it runs really nice, but I will start doing the maintenance myself. The owner told me, he sent it to Vespa last March and they did the maintenance. I called Vespa and it was true. I just can't remember what exactly they did in that maintenance. I will call them again tomorrow
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:45 pm quote
waspmike wrote:
CaissaE wrote:
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
An oil filter full of oil could be part of the starting problem. Clean it up first and see if that helps.
Perfect, Thank you for your help, so I will check the oil level, the air filter as you mentioned first and to check the oil filter, don't I have to change the oil? drain it? and replace it?
http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic152653
Thank you very much! This will help a lot. I will get on it tomorrow!
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:18 am quote
UPDATE!: I called Vespa and last and only record they have about my vespa was a Basic Maintenance and both tires were changed. This happened about 1 year ago. So, I guess oil needs to be changed and the shock is the problem causing the leak, now, they main question is: Should I let them do it? or should I do it myself? I reviewed how to do it and it does not look complicated. What do you recommend me to do?
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:29 am quote
Hold on! Did you look at the air filter yet to see if there's oil in there? The oil may not be coming from the shock. It's rare that shocks fail at only 600 miles.

Check the air cleaner first, and clean up all the oil.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:48 am quote
Looking at the spring itself. Itís rusty and dirty brown until the last 3 bottom coils which are black and covered in oil.

Thereís also a gap between the air box and where the staining starts on the transmission cover.

My first thought would be the shock is shot...... but as above no time at all to check the air filter.

Back to the shock.

Itís very easy to change. Remove the battery cover and the battery.
Undo the top nut of the shock.
Then undo the bottom nut and bolt.

Remove and replace the shock. Took me about 15 mins.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:07 pm quote
Right. It's easy enough to change the shock, if necessary.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:08 pm quote
Yes, I checked the air filter and it is not that bad. I went to Vespa and they just knew it was the shock when they looked at it. they bounced the bike and they showed me. They also said that based on the oil (dark oil by the wheel) it started happening a little while ago, and I just noticed. They said it needs to be changed, but nothing urgent. I am just going to feel the jumping up and down. He recommends to change it soon. I was quoted $190 including labor.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:59 pm quote
It looks similar to the oil leak on my P200e which turned out to be the shock absorber. I replaced both front and rear. Problem solved.
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Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:00 pm quote
Would you recommend me to change both of them at the same time?
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:01 am quote
I was surprised at how much shocks cost! Maybe I haven't found them yet, but OEM type replacements seem to be $60+. No way I would pay $200 to $400 for performance shocks, especially for a 50cc scooter. Are they really worth it?

So a quote for $190 sounds reasonable to me, though I would probably do the work myself.
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:51 am quote
CaissaE wrote:
Would you recommend me to change both of them at the same time?
Probably not with so few miles. Seems kind of a fluke that one would go bad. Besides, it's really two separate procedures. Not like doing something because you have things torn open anyway....
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:22 am quote
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
I was surprised at how much shocks cost! Maybe I haven't found them yet, but OEM type replacements seem to be $60+. No way I would pay $200 to $400 for performance shocks, especially for a 50cc scooter. Are they really worth it?

So a quote for $190 sounds reasonable to me, though I would probably do the work myself.
The shocks on my P200 were 39years old so replacing both made sense. I bought adjustables from Scooter Mercato for $150 the pair. Did the work myself.
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:54 pm quote
I fitted YSS shocks to my LX. About the same price as oem but a definite improvement.
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:56 pm quote
PS the front shock is the hardest of the two and will take longer to do, but still a good DIY job........youíll need both spannerís and a socket set, oh and Allen keys.
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:25 pm quote
I see. After looking for the part myself, I was told by the guy at Vespa I could get it from the link below,

https://www.parts-piaggio.com/vespa-scooters/50-VESPA-SCOOTER/LX/2008/Vespa-LX-4T/Suspensions--Wheels/Rear-suspension--Shock-absorber-s/1107/35/224019082/2311

It just take some time to get it, shipping is a bit pricey but he told me to take advantage and get an airfilter and oil filter since the shipping price is the same and I am getting genuine parts.

I tried to look for the parts on other websites, but it is not too easy to get a new shock for my Vespa in the U.S.

Any suggestions or opinions? Btw, I am planning to do it myself.
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:31 pm quote
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
I was surprised at how much shocks cost! Maybe I haven't found them yet, but OEM type replacements seem to be $60+. No way I would pay $200 to $400 for performance shocks, especially for a 50cc scooter. Are they really worth it?

So a quote for $190 sounds reasonable to me, though I would probably do the work myself.
I found some "branded" shocks for over $200 without installation, but it does not make sense to pay that much for a shock. Most of Vespa's parts are sold OEM in the U.S.

I keep looking for the shock and most of the websites are from Europe.
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:46 pm quote
Thank you, I saw those, but as you can see the first 2 are different on the bottom end as the one I need on my vespa. I know it says LX, but I am not sure if they change from year to year. The 3rd one is $180 I guess that will leave me with the last one.

Thank you
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:50 pm quote
There are many more at scooterpartsco for a reasonable price. Go to their website and dig around.
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