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Stella
Joined: 28 Jan 2012
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Location: USA
Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:22 am quote
I've ridden my Stella for 15 years without issues. Replaced the exhaust, jetted-still runs great.
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'01 ET4; '65 VBB Restomod with P200E engine, '67 VW Type 1, '80 Airstream
Joined: 05 Jun 2018
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Location: Cary, North Carolina
Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:17 am quote
Are you asking if it was restored in Vietnam? i doubt it.
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Vespa
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Posts: 361
Location: US
Wed May 01, 2019 10:16 am quote
a VBC with VL3 look?

Price is high for a non-running project.

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LT150, Aprilia Mojito 150
Joined: 14 Sep 2009
Posts: 77
Location: Shepherdstown, WV USA
Thu May 02, 2019 8:10 pm quote
Please tell me about this. Bodge?
I'm considering buying this. Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance.

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1964 GS160, 1966 90ss
Joined: 08 Sep 2011
Posts: 224

Thu May 02, 2019 8:31 pm quote
Re: Please tell me about this. Bodge?
italianmotofest wrote:
I'm considering buying this. Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance.
I don't see any red flags. Just a recent paint job. That looks a lot like a bike I used to own.

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LT150, Aprilia Mojito 150
Joined: 14 Sep 2009
Posts: 77
Location: Shepherdstown, WV USA
Thu May 02, 2019 8:48 pm quote
Wow, it sure looks like it could be the same bike.

That's good to hear. Vintage Italian motorcycles I'm familiar with. But thought I should get some advice on the Vespa.

Thanks for the reply.

Bill
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05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
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Posts: 2155
Location: Chicago. Well, Evanston, but that's almost Chicago
Fri May 03, 2019 3:53 am quote
I agree no red flags, but it's hard to say from just those photos. What has the seller told you about the provenance of the bike?

If you can share a picture of the motor, that would be a good next step for us to help you here.
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LT150, Aprilia Mojito 150
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Location: Shepherdstown, WV USA
Fri May 03, 2019 4:53 am quote
Thanks Chandlerman, I'll work on both of those suggestions.


Bill
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Vespa
Joined: 25 May 2016
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Location: US
Fri May 03, 2019 10:21 am quote
Re: Please tell me about this. Bodge?
italianmotofest wrote:
I'm considering buying this. Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance.
Agreed with other, there is no immediate redflag from first few pictures.

ask for more pictures like engine, tail end and close up on headset
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LT150, Aprilia Mojito 150
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Fri May 03, 2019 12:42 pm quote
Haven't talked with the owner about the history.

But here is the headset:

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1980 P200E project, 2005 Stella Malossi 166 MKIII
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 968
Location: Staten Island, NY
Fri May 03, 2019 12:49 pm quote
The only thing i find suspect it's the owners avoidance of taking close up pictures of helpful details. Like if that was intentional photo of the speedo, it's so far away you can't see any details of it. Makes me wonder why... And these are the things that give me confidence or not in buying used items from someone.
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LT150, Aprilia Mojito 150
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Posts: 77
Location: Shepherdstown, WV USA
Fri May 03, 2019 1:39 pm quote
I have laid eyes on the scoot. And I was the one who took the pics. When I get a chance to get to the scooter this weekend I'll take some pics of the engine.

I understand what you saying and agree with you.

Thanks again everyone for your input.

Bill
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1980 P200E project, 2005 Stella Malossi 166 MKIII
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 968
Location: Staten Island, NY
Fri May 03, 2019 4:27 pm quote
italianmotofest wrote:
I have laid eyes on the scoot. And I was the one who took the pics. When I get a chance to get to the scooter this weekend I'll take some pics of the engine.

I understand what you saying and agree with you.

Thanks again everyone for your input.

Bill
Ah ok. I misunderstood. Thought they were just sending you pictures and you hadn't seen it in person. My bad! But that is my method of thinking when looking at Craigslist ads. If i can't see it in the photos they post i won't consider it!
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LT150, Aprilia Mojito 150
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Posts: 77
Location: Shepherdstown, WV USA
Fri May 03, 2019 6:28 pm quote
In the interest of brevity I didn't tell the whole story. My fault. I agree with everything you said. In the last week I have responded to a half dozen CL ads. Not a single one was legit. No more CL for me, I'm afraid.

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Vespas 1964 GS160, 1965 SS180, 1977 V9A1T, 1983 PX150E
Joined: 16 Apr 2011
Posts: 1095
Location: Siam
Fri May 03, 2019 11:34 pm quote
Tradspa wrote:
Are you asking if it was restored in Vietnam? i doubt it.
An instant bodge right off the assembly line. No modifications needed.
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77' Rally 200
Joined: 04 May 2019
Posts: 8
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Sat May 04, 2019 3:14 am quote
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vespa-Rally-200/254207347829?hash=item3b2ff04c75:g:HBMAAOSwaRRcvNIG

Trying to make sense of this Rally 200 up on ebay. Not necessarily from SEA but its got the following;

Internal Foot brake like a P200
Tail light doesn't look like a rally one,
Front guard looks like its been mooshed out for the shocker
Euro headset with the Key in the top (only the US ones had those?)
White speedometer.. Didn't they only come out in black?

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'01 ET4; '65 VBB Restomod with P200E engine, '67 VW Type 1, '80 Airstream
Joined: 05 Jun 2018
Posts: 289
Location: Cary, North Carolina
Sat May 04, 2019 4:52 am quote
Skarajew wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vespa-Rally-200/254207347829?hash=item3b2ff04c75:g:HBMAAOSwaRRcvNIG

Trying to make sense of this Rally 200 up on ebay. Not necessarily from SEA but its got the following;
Its a Rally clone on a P frame. Nothing wrong with that IF its been done right. The seller may not even know it

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'01 ET4; '65 VBB Restomod with P200E engine, '67 VW Type 1, '80 Airstream
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Posts: 289
Location: Cary, North Carolina
Sat May 04, 2019 4:54 am quote
Re: Please tell me about this. Bodge?
italianmotofest wrote:
I'm considering buying this. Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance.
Based on the pics you have provided so far....not a southeast asia restoration.
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GL, PK, PE200
Joined: 24 Apr 2012
Posts: 662
Location: Deep in the heart of Texas
Sat May 04, 2019 5:25 am quote
About red P above From Facebook:
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That is a PX frame, extended in the rear to accept Rally side covers. The horn cover is welded on, and it has a widened Rally front fender over a PX fork. The Rally handlebars are dropped a few degrees.
I know that because I built this bike about 20 years ago in Germany....

....The then owner wanted the vintage look with more modern reliability. The handlebars cam from my cutdown PX, which was in pieces at that time....

.....No kit, all handmade in metal.
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1976 Super (x 2), 1974 Primavera (x 2), 2006 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 4826
Location: So Cal
Sat May 04, 2019 5:48 am quote
rowdyc wrote:
About red P above From Facebook:
Quote:
That is a PX frame, extended in the rear to accept Rally side covers. The horn cover is welded on, and it has a widened Rally front fender over a PX fork. The Rally handlebars are dropped a few degrees.
I know that because I built this bike about 20 years ago in Germany....

....The then owner wanted the vintage look with more modern reliability. The handlebars cam from my cutdown PX, which was in pieces at that time....

.....No kit, all handmade in metal.
In other words, its not a Rally.
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77' Rally 200
Joined: 04 May 2019
Posts: 8
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Sat May 04, 2019 12:13 pm quote
Yeah, ad does come across a bit misleading.

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Vespa LX200
Joined: 08 May 2019
Posts: 2
Location: Utah
Wed May 08, 2019 10:33 pm quote
Looking at buying this. Let me know if you see any red flags. Thanks in advance.

https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/55828804

Its advertised as a 1966 Super 150. Seller stated that I purchased it already restored by, I think, the genuine buddy scooter company in Chicago. It was sent to the Salt Lake scooter company, which is no longer in business. Everything on it is as it seems, very good condition and it had 0 miles on it when I bought it.

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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
Joined: 26 Apr 2019
Posts: 190
Location: Belgium
Wed May 08, 2019 11:01 pm quote
MP2019 wrote:
Looking at buying this. Let me know if you see any red flags. Thanks in advance.

https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/55828804
Unable to acces the site. Perhaps post the pictures here?
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Vespa LX200
Joined: 08 May 2019
Posts: 2
Location: Utah
Wed May 08, 2019 11:41 pm quote
DD_VES wrote:
MP2019 wrote:
Looking at buying this. Let me know if you see any red flags. Thanks in advance.

https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/55828804
Unable to acces the site. Perhaps post the pictures here?


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'01 ET4; '65 VBB Restomod with P200E engine, '67 VW Type 1, '80 Airstream
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Location: Cary, North Carolina
Thu May 09, 2019 12:25 am quote
I dont see any red flags but its hard to see to the right of the helmet hook. The nammers usually have an ignition switch there. It has a PX engine which would be very unusual for a nammer.
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'63 VBB2T - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Posts: 190
Location: Belgium
Thu May 09, 2019 1:12 am quote
No red flags here. No bondoed seams, original square numberplat holder.
Nice scooter, like the colour!
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1974 Rally 200, 1974 Rally 200 with sidecar, 1966 Bluebadge, 2012 Stella 4T
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Thu May 09, 2019 7:10 am quote
Probably Indian restoration. P-series centerstand, rear brake pedal rubber has flat tabs that hang off, and the front fork is a Bajaj replacement fork that has the weird front hub with the fins cut down.
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Thu May 09, 2019 7:25 am quote
Not sure but lots of non-Super parts
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'01 ET4; '65 VBB Restomod with P200E engine, '67 VW Type 1, '80 Airstream
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Thu May 09, 2019 8:16 am quote
Mattgyver wrote:
Probably Indian restoration. P-series centerstand, rear brake pedal rubber has flat tabs that hang off, and the front fork is a Bajaj replacement fork that has the weird front hub with the fins cut down.
Ebay is full of vespa parts from India.
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74 50s x2 78 P200 84 Cosa 58 AllState 68 Sprint 80 50special + projects
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Location: seattle/athens
Thu May 09, 2019 8:32 am quote
A Super on tens?
MP2019 wrote:
... Seller stated that I purchased it already restored by, I think, the genuine buddy scooter company in Chicago.
Looks an awful lot like one of these that were being sold by ScooterWorks in Chicago. I don't think they sell them any more but I have seen one up close. Not too bad considering, but I believe they sourced the bikes and had all the bodywork/paint done in Asia. That said, the one I saw was well done, looked gorgeous but who knows what lurks under the pretty paint.


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Original steel frame
Fully restored in Chicago, IL
Brand new 5 port engine
All new electrical components
10 in. wheels for better ride quality
Warranty included
Speedo looks shiny repop, too low miles to be original methinks. Check to see if it has an LML motor.
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Vespa LX200
Joined: 08 May 2019
Posts: 2
Location: Utah
Thu May 09, 2019 9:08 am quote
Re: A Super on tens?
V oodoo wrote:
MP2019 wrote:
... Seller stated that I purchased it already restored by, I think, the genuine buddy scooter company in Chicago.
Looks an awful lot like one of these that were being sold by ScooterWorks in Chicago. I don't think they sell them any more but I have seen one up close. Not too bad considering, but I believe they sourced the bikes and had all the bodywork/paint done in Asia. That said, the one I saw was well done, looked gorgeous but who knows what lurks under the pretty paint.


https://youtu.be/f-imKaADAZI
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Original steel frame
Fully restored in Chicago, IL
Brand new 5 port engine
All new electrical components
10 in. wheels for better ride quality
Warranty included
Speedo looks shiny repop, too low miles to be original methinks. Check to see if it has an LML motor.
I think thats exactly what this probably is. If its clean and runs good do you think its worth around 2k?
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05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
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Location: Chicago. Well, Evanston, but that's almost Chicago
Thu May 09, 2019 5:59 pm quote
Re: A Super on tens?
V oodoo wrote:
MP2019 wrote:
... Seller stated that I purchased it already restored by, I think, the genuine buddy scooter company in Chicago.
Looks an awful lot like one of these that were being sold by ScooterWorks in Chicago. I don't think they sell them any more but I have seen one up close. Not too bad considering, but I believe they sourced the bikes and had all the bodywork/paint done in Asia. That said, the one I saw was well done, looked gorgeous but who knows what lurks under the pretty paint.
Scooterworks bought an entire shipping container of Bajaj Indian resto's back in about 2007. They got stuck holding them when the financial crisis killed the scooter market, then started trickling them onto the market maybe five years ago.

SW put motors & cables in them, but they frames were painted in Asia.

I saw several of them at one time or another at SW, even have a picture some of them lined up in the warehouse. That wasn't one of the colors I saw, but there could certainly be more colors that I didn't see.
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77' Rally 200
Joined: 04 May 2019
Posts: 8
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Sun May 12, 2019 4:37 pm quote
Skarajew wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vespa-Rally-200/254207347829?hash=item3b2ff04c75:g:HBMAAOSwaRRcvNIG

Trying to make sense of this Rally 200 up on ebay. Not necessarily from SEA but its got the following;

Internal Foot brake like a P200
Tail light doesn't look like a rally one,
Front guard looks like its been mooshed out for the shocker
Euro headset with the Key in the top (only the US ones had those?)
White speedometer.. Didn't they only come out in black?
Looks like its been amended. All is right in the world.

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Vespa
Joined: 25 May 2016
Posts: 361
Location: US
Thu May 16, 2019 10:45 am quote
ohh no bondo is no longer holding up.

Restored 2 years ago by a well known scooter shop in town (according to seller).

Well there is no well known scooter shop in this part of town beside Scooter West that's 70miles away in SD.

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1972 Vespa Rally 180, Piaggio LT 150
Joined: 28 Mar 2012
Posts: 49
Location: Austin, TX
Thu May 16, 2019 11:35 am quote
Restored two years ago and then packed in salt to preserve it.
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Thu May 16, 2019 5:57 pm quote
JuanNephrota wrote:
Restored two years ago and then packed in salt to preserve it.
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PX150E
Joined: 28 Oct 2018
Posts: 46
Location: Florida, USA
Fri May 17, 2019 2:44 pm quote
Anyone know this seller?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Piaggio-Classic-Vespa-Motor-Scooter-Restored-150cc-Vintage/163693737024?hash=item261ce83440:g:EZQAAOSwNqFc3mID

Looks ok, but I am not qualified to pick the nitty gritty from the pictures. Do you think the restoration was really done in New Mexico?
And what parts do not belong on this Sprint?
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05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
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Location: Chicago. Well, Evanston, but that's almost Chicago
Fri May 17, 2019 5:13 pm quote
Re: Anyone know this seller?
sp949 wrote:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Piaggio-Classic-Vespa-Motor-Scooter-Restored-150cc-Vintage/163693737024?hash=item261ce83440:g:EZQAAOSwNqFc3mID

Looks ok, but I am not qualified to pick the nitty gritty from the pictures. Do you think the restoration was really done in New Mexico?
And what parts do not belong on this Sprint?
The only way this bike was "restored in New Mexico" is if there's now a scooter shop on the site of the former FOB or Fire Base New Mexico.

I had a list of a dozen or more things wrong, but the cat jumped on my keyboard and somehow deleted them.

Short version: looks like a VBB with a 10" conversion and lots of bondo, then somebody slapped some sprint cowls on it.
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Vespa
Joined: 25 May 2016
Posts: 361
Location: US
Wed May 22, 2019 1:49 pm quote
another de-bodged scoot. Chatted with Seller, He reassured me it's straight from Italy and never made a stop for some decades in Nam.

at least, it is still an 8" unless the guy already reverted back since purchased as project.

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Vespa
Joined: 25 May 2016
Posts: 361
Location: US
Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:58 am quote
too obvious.... Has seen this unsold for almost a year.

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