300 HPE are starting to arrive
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Thu May 09, 2019 9:05 am quote
We just got our first few ones. Should be getting 15 more in the next few days. More colors. Some other dealers have gotten some of the other colors already.

Really loving the new blue SuperSport color.

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Thu May 09, 2019 2:13 pm quote
got our demo up and going.

Had to do a quick drag race 2019 vs a new 2020 HPE.

The HPE def is faster, pulls harder thru the midrange.

made a quick video
https://youtu.be/eo28XcH_pxk[/url]
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Thu May 09, 2019 2:22 pm quote
AF1 Racing wrote:
got our demo up and going.

Had to do a quick drag race 2019 vs a new 2020 HPE.

The HPE def is faster, pulls harder thru the midrange.

made a quick video
https://youtu.be/eo28XcH_pxk[/url]
How does it compare to a Malossi kitted 2019 with a Force Master 2? I'm guessing you will not to be able to answer that but I would love to see how one compares to my scoot out of curiosity.
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Thu May 09, 2019 3:17 pm quote
we have a very kitted out older GTS here, Malossi head/ bigbore plus some other very trick stuff...the HPE is not faster than that one. Not too far off though.

if the riders had maybe a 60-70lb weight difference with the heavy person on the HPE, the lighter person on a stock 2019, it would probably be real close.

Top speed was the same it seems so far, but the HPE is still very new.
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Thu May 09, 2019 3:24 pm quote
AF1 Racing wrote:
we have a very kitted out older GTS here, Malossi head/ bigbore plus some other very trick stuff...the HPE is not faster than that one. Not too far off though.

if the riders had maybe a 60-70lb weight difference with the heavy person on the HPE, the lighter person on a stock 2019, it would probably be real close.

Top speed was the same it seems so far, but the HPE is still very new.
Cool, I appreciate the response.

I was kind of wondering if Piaggio would want one of their stock Vespa's going over 100 MPH for whatever reason. Handling, the small wheels, etc, etc. You hopefully understand what I mean.
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Thu May 09, 2019 3:29 pm quote
Wow. Walked the 19 gts. Thanks for the vid. Thankfully the nodded one is quicker...for now. Until mods arrive for the hpe. I'll get an hpe when some decent mods are available.
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Thu May 09, 2019 8:15 pm quote
AF1 Racing wrote:
if the riders had maybe a 60-70lb weight difference with the heavy person on the HPE, the lighter person on a stock 2019, it would probably be real close.
Thanks for reminding us, again, per Colin Chapman, add lightness. Basically, variators/heads/exhaust don't matter for squat when you're crushing chips while downing Budweiser. Not that I drink Bud.
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Thu May 09, 2019 9:58 pm quote
AF1 Racing wrote:
got our demo up and going.

Had to do a quick drag race 2019 vs a new 2020 HPE.

The HPE def is faster, pulls harder thru the midrange.

made a quick video
https://youtu.be/eo28XcH_pxk[/url]
Wow! - I see no point in spending all that time and money trying to modify the power output on your current GTS. Just simply trade it in for a new HPE.
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Fri May 10, 2019 12:53 am quote
Touring300 wrote:
AF1 Racing wrote:
got our demo up and going.

Had to do a quick drag race 2019 vs a new 2020 HPE.

The HPE def is faster, pulls harder thru the midrange.

made a quick video
https://youtu.be/eo28XcH_pxk[/url]
Wow! - I see no point in spending all that time and money trying to modify the power output on your current GTS. Just simply trade it in for a new HPE.
I have a 2017 GTV and like it that way. Kitting is really just more a fun thing. If I want to move I have a 650CC BMW parked next to the Vespa. Pretty sure I can't get this in an HPE and am not about to give it up.

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Fri May 10, 2019 8:35 am quote
While I'm all about getting the best experience from a bike, and I do enjoy tweaking, I subscribe to the notion that a GTS is NOT meant for the interstate and speeds above 70 mph. I tend to cruise the back roads at 50-60 and enjoy the scenery. Acceleration mods are something I could get into and the HPE seems to address this. Anyone know of the best variator/DR Pulley for increased 35-55 performance? J Costa?

Decades ago a Harley guy was found riding a Goldwing as $thousands spent on the HD would never equal the power of the 6 cyl Wing. Basically, each bike has it's purpose and for me, the Vespa is all about enjoying the ride, not the speed. If I need comfort at interstate speeds, I roll out my Honda CTX700DCT.

However, my scooter gets 4X the miles that my other bike does.

Just sayin'
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Fri May 10, 2019 1:47 pm quote
Thanks for the video. I'm on the fence but leaning toward waiting for a 2020.

The Vespa PR says the new one is quieter. Is it when you compare them side by side?
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Sun May 12, 2019 9:22 am quote
Wolfeboats wrote:
Thanks for the video. I'm on the fence but leaning toward waiting for a 2020.

The Vespa PR says the new one is quieter. Is it when you compare them side by side?
I'd be tempted to try and hang back until 2021. It can take a while for a modified engine and the revised constituent parts to show up any manufacturing defects. I know that product recalls can be issued to rectify any faults, but I would still prefer to wait until the new scooter has been thoroughly tried and tested for reliability.
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Sun May 12, 2019 9:12 pm quote
AF1 Racing wrote:
we have a very kitted out older GTS here, Malossi head/ bigbore plus some other very trick stuff...the HPE is not faster than that one. Not too far off though.

if the riders had maybe a 60-70lb weight difference with the heavy person on the HPE, the lighter person on a stock 2019, it would probably be real close.

Top speed was the same it seems so far, but the HPE is still very new.
Any other differences noticed? Is the transmission quieter? Does the seat feel different?
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Mon May 13, 2019 8:31 am quote
Wolfeboats wrote:
Thanks for the video. I'm on the fence but leaning toward waiting for a 2020.

The Vespa PR says the new one is quieter. Is it when you compare them side by side?
did not notice but will retest.

The stand outs are the increased power, midrange and acceleration, updated body styling, new lights, and new front cooling vents. Really like the smoothed out upper cowl, but they've had that a couple years now.

Still a vespa GTS underneath. Don't feel bad about a discounted deal on an outgoing 2018/2019 model if its the color you really want.
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Mon May 13, 2019 8:32 am quote
got in a few more new colors....the light green is going to sell out quick.

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Thu May 16, 2019 2:58 am quote
AF1 Racing wrote:
got in a few more new colors....the light green is going to sell out quick.
Am I seeing the LED headlight stock on the new models?
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Thu May 16, 2019 5:59 am quote
I'm pretty new to vespas, is it just the American bikes that have those reflectors on the sides? I'm pretty sure the UK don't have those (or if they do I've never noticed).
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Thu May 16, 2019 7:59 am quote
OneFootInTheGravy wrote:
I'm pretty new to vespas, is it just the American bikes that have those reflectors on the sides? I'm pretty sure the UK don't have those (or if they do I've never noticed).
only a US thing...on the 50/150s we also have separate front turn signals.
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Thu May 16, 2019 8:00 am quote
Happystrada wrote:
AF1 Racing wrote:
got in a few more new colors....the light green is going to sell out quick.
Am I seeing the LED headlight stock on the new models?
yes
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Thu May 16, 2019 8:33 am quote
AF1 Racing wrote:
OneFootInTheGravy wrote:
I'm pretty new to vespas, is it just the American bikes that have those reflectors on the sides? I'm pretty sure the UK don't have those (or if they do I've never noticed).
only a US thing...on the 50/150s we also have separate front turn signals.
Ww have them in Canada as well. Sometimes Americans forget we are up here sharing a continent with them
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Thu May 16, 2019 2:33 pm quote
When do you expect your first Vespa GTS Super Tech?
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Sat May 18, 2019 1:34 am quote
Thanks for the drag race! How often do they change up the colours? I'm drooling over the HPE but I want a matte yellow model… might end up going for the shiny one though if it's going to be a few years…
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Sun May 19, 2019 7:02 am quote
AF1 Racing wrote:
Happystrada wrote:
AF1 Racing wrote:
got in a few more new colors....the light green is going to sell out quick.
Am I seeing the LED headlight stock on the new models?
yes
Awesome! That definitely finishes modernizing the GTS. Have you gotten any Touring models in yet? The dark green with brown seat looks amazing.
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Sun May 19, 2019 12:33 pm quote
I just got an Email for Scooters West, aka Vespa Motorsport in San Diego, CA. They now have 2020 GTS 300 HPE scooters in stock. I wish I could get down there and test drive one and get Robot's thoughts on this model. Unfortunately I'll be out of town for a month.
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:18 am quote
Have you tested the top speed on one of the new 2020s? The dyno video that Robot did showed top speed was 75 mph, which is slower than the pre-2020 models. Is it possible for you to gps test top speed on an HPE model? Thanks.
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:32 am quote
apex wrote:
Have you tested the top speed on one of the new 2020s? The dyno video that Robot did showed top speed was 75 mph, which is slower than the pre-2020 models. Is it possible for you to gps test top speed on an HPE model? Thanks.
Yeah, it actually makes them pretty disappointing IMHO and the dyne test thread is worth the read. In a nutshell if you can afford to put a full Malossi kit on a pre HPE scoot you are ahead of the game.

What will be interesting is if Malossi puts out a kit for the HPE and gets around the 75 MPH limiter. Hell I've been up to about 100 MPH on a Vespa and they handle just fine at that speed.

What would be absolutely awesome one day is if Piaggio ever got together with Malossi and put out a true kick ass limited edition Vespa with no holds barred. It's not going to happen but it would be a beautiful thing and I bet a few of us would pay the premium.
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:09 pm quote
Harbinger wrote:
apex wrote:
Have you tested the top speed on one of the new 2020s? The dyno video that Robot did showed top speed was 75 mph, which is slower than the pre-2020 models. Is it possible for you to gps test top speed on an HPE model? Thanks.
Yeah, it actually makes them pretty disappointing IMHO and the dyne test thread is worth the read. In a nutshell if you can afford to put a full Malossi kit on a pre HPE scoot you are ahead of the game.

What will be interesting is if Malossi puts out a kit for the HPE and gets around the 75 MPH limiter. Hell I've been up to about 100 MPH on a Vespa and they handle just fine at that speed.

What would be absolutely awesome one day is if Piaggio ever got together with Malossi and put out a true kick ass limited edition Vespa with no holds barred. It's not going to happen but it would be a beautiful thing and I bet a few of us would pay the premium.
That's still hard to believe that piaggio put a more powerful engine in the new bike but cut the top speed from 82 to75. That makes no sense at all.

I'm hoping robot will actually do a 2019 to 2020 to speed comparison.
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:17 pm quote
Yep got em all in Los Angeles also!

Prepping and selling quickly.

Pretty exciting time for Vespa with all this new candy.

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