Scomadi Is Coming To The US
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Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:07 am quote
Yes, I found that fact quite amazing. The 200 seems to be a great bike and well put together.
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Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:22 pm quote
Check out the welds
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Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:38 pm quote
I am keen to see one but in photos they look entirely respectable. A nice luggage rack, a top case and the big glove box should make up for no under seat storage. Especially as they come with a larger tank.
I doubt the seat will be as comfortable as the GTS - nothing is- but I rode a 36 hour iron butt on a standard Bonneville seat so I expect Scomadi could be ok.

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Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:52 pm quote
conchscooter wrote:
I am keen to see one but in photos they look entirely respectable.
Look a little closer at the fit and finish on the one in the foreground.
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:42 am quote
One thing I learned is that you can't actually tell much from photo's like the one above. You do know panels can be adjusted right? I did ask the dealer about the frame welding and he waxed ecstatically about them saying they were as good as any Jap bike. Panel fit and finish is supposed to be good too. But I reserve judgement until I see one in the flesh. I find it amazing that folks will hammer a bike before they've even seen or tried one just because it's not built in 'Urop' or the US.
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Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:53 pm quote
I’m not surprised. Modern Vespas have not really had any competition in the retro market. Genuine Buddy and Yamaha Vino only come in smaller sizes but the GTS could face competition. That can be upsetting.
I am impressed by what I read from dedicated scooter boys who ride Scomadi. This article from Scootering is a few years old and refers to the first run of air cooled 125 TL Scomadi - the ones built in China, before the Thailand deal:

https://www.scootering.com/scootering-classics-invasion-of-the-scomadi/
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Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:39 pm quote
The only thing The Vespa 300 would ever have to fear would be if Ducati or some other large Italian company (like Fiat) bought the Lambretta name and built an all metal scooter.

Harley had no competitors even when Victory and the Big 4 built better V-Twin bikes. All of a sudden Polaris bought Indian, built a huge pushrod V-Twin and Harley sales dropped.

Vespa's strength is in its Italian heritage and history. Chinese, Taiwan and Thailand won't overcome that. I won't even go into Genuine's dealer network. Scomadi won't be denting Piaggio sales anytime soon, if ever.
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Sat Feb 17, 2018 10:46 pm quote
What's wrong with Genuine's network?
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Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:27 pm quote
Their network runs the gamete from big glitzy shops to low budget combo Chinese and Genuine shops. They aren't in the same league as Piaggio. Superior Scooters in Meriden, CT. carries Genuine alongside their flooring and carpet sales.

Scomadi has fuel injection and modern emission controls. Imagine taking your scooter in and having a delay while the crew finishes installing hardwood floors.
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:57 am quote
Related reddit posting . . speculating Scooterville in Minneapolis, MN.

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Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:05 am quote
Ah, this is a nearly year old post about the Scomadi being imported to the US soon. Evidently not very soon, as nothing new has come up about this is quite a while. Seems like the Scomadi development has been mainly a lot of buzz with very little bike.
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:09 am quote
Dooglas wrote:
Seems like the Scomadi development has been mainly a lot of buzz with very little bike.
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:45 pm quote
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They still have that Fireball there? I saw that on the lot last year.
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:24 pm quote
Motovista wrote:
conchscooter wrote:
I am keen to see one but in photos they look entirely respectable.
Look a little closer at the fit and finish on the one in the foreground.
Fit and finish looks lacking. Look at the varying gap widths between panels.
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:28 pm quote
Dooglas wrote:
Ah, this is a nearly year old post about the Scomadi being imported to the US soon. Evidently not very soon, as nothing new has come up about this is quite a while. Seems like the Scomadi development has been mainly a lot of buzz with very little bike.
Quite a few in Thailand and the UK.

But yes they are a relatively small company started by two scooter enthusiasts so following the US optimism and having a dream and one can achieve anything philosophies I would have expected a bit more support rather than all the negative comments.

Then again I believe in the '60's Lambretta was more popular in UK than Vespa? So maybe like Royal Enfield the attraction is nostalgia. Maybe it was a Beatles, Stones kinda thing?

Harley is building a factory in Thailand. Will all their bikes now have dodgy welds and be sold in a carpet store?

But yes according to their website Scomadi only has dealership networks in the UK, Europe, Oceania and Asia.
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:38 pm quote
Lambretta
I remember (I think) reading bout them in the M Wards catalogue back in the 60's. I think they were selling them. Never really saw one I from small town. Saw a well only one Vespa boy in town had one. To me the body style looks good. I would be interested in one.
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Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:22 pm quote
scomadi
A lot of people have had problems with the engines on these scoots, struggled for parts etc, because scomadi hq decided it was better to fill the containers with scooters than spares for the one already here in the uk, that in it self gave me an opportunity to play, i fit gts engines into the scomadi frame, and have been doing so for a couple of years.

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Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:26 pm quote
nope
me mate does that at his shop .... one guy bought a new one took it to him for the conversion then all the goodies to make it faster a handmade zorst n custom decals .... cost him over 8k all in ready to go ....

imagine what lammy could buy for that ..... plus itd be a slim lammy not one of these holeripping wide seats ... or ya could give ya head a shek n get a nice p2 or t5 streetracer
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Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:31 am quote
gts lammy
I charge 850 labour to do it, customer provides the 2 donors, so if you pick a written off gts up, for the right money. some lads have picked them up for 350. so all good, i also put gts into lammys too.

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Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:07 am quote
Genuine seems to promise a lot but is slow to deliver. In addition to Scomadi they have been promising the 400cc bike for years. Royal Enfield has delivered the Himalaya quicker and Mike Hickman at Alliance has a 300cc Wolf on the boats coming over. As most have said I will believe it when I see it.
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Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:24 am quote
Alot of guys seem to say the Royal Allow which is the essentially the same bike with same engine, etc is much better than the scomadi. From what I have been reading alot of people just end up with a GTS in the end after buying one of these and that parts are a complete nightmare.

No underseat storage at all, and the leg shield is plastic.

Thanks, but no thanks. However if they DID ever produce the vaporware 400cc machine and if it really smoked the gts. then it might do very well here considering the parts thing was fixed.
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Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:12 pm quote
400
they are struggling with the 400, scomadi purchased the tooling and rights , but then euro 4 kicked in and made them redundant, so now they have to make the existing 400 units fuel injection, which is no quick job, Plus it has to pass euro 4 regs, people are fed up with waiting, i transplanted a suzuki burgman 400 into a scomadi. it has made a very fast scooter, and of course spares are available.

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Thu May 09, 2019 6:05 am quote
Noticed "Royal Alloy Coming Soon" has been removed from Chicago Scooter Company website.

http://www.chicagoscootercompany.com/royalalloyusa.html

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Thu May 09, 2019 8:24 am quote
Saw on Facebook that Scomadi is in bankruptcy. I highly doubt they or Royal alloy will make it to the states..
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:50 am quote
Genuine Scooters website . . Royal Alloy’s GT150 $3,499
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:01 am quote
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Genuine Scooters website . . Royal Alloy’s GT150 $3,499
Thats actually not a bad price. They seem more expensive in Europe, as the UK Royal Alloy website has a GT 125I for approx same in USD. They don't even have a GT150 listed anymore.. so I am wondering if the US GT150 is something they discontinued in Europe or if it is the same thing as the GT 125I?
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:03 am quote
Philly Scooters says they'll have RA bikes by the end of the month.
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:27 pm quote
Getting them in SLC too! Salt Lake Scooter will have the Royal Alloy but only the 150.
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:32 pm quote
Genuine has a reputation for being late but eventually delivering. As I recall they left a pile of folks with special orders waiting for two years for the 4T Stella. Then it was the G400. Over three years from announcement to eventual delivery. Now the Royal Alloy. My guess is that it will eventually happen - but not when they say it will.
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:04 pm quote
Salamanca, Spain, two days ago. I like it!

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Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:02 am quote
Speaking from someone who has ridden the new scomadi TT's and the current RA GP125 metal ones, the RA seems better finished.

They are both chinese/thailand scoots so expect the odd electrical gremlin (even the new speedos fail) but strictly speaking they are much better built than the chinese 125s etc you see for less money. Engine is roughly based on the common as muck GY6. The watercooled ones are based on an older aprilia design and are quick.

Scomadi havent went bust, just a cheeky rename to avoid a bit debt, common in UK businesses

The RA has become the new common scooter for UK scooter clubs, well around me they have. Easy to paint/mod

Ultimately in the end I went with a Honda CB125R instead of a scoot due to a few reasons and also I already have a vespa T5.

The scomadis are a little more money and the original scomadis (the TL125s) were a bit too plastic fantastic for me.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:01 am quote
Don't these have plastic legshields and stuff? It's like all the lack of storage of a vintage lambretta with the quality of an elcheapo Hanway made in Thailand scooter. Not that I would run out and buy the shifty 400cc version if it ever came to fruition (I would)
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:43 am quote
There are two things I wonder about the Royal Alloy 150 and Genuine. First, is the world ready for a Chinese metal bodied scooter. Second, speaking personally I would be more inclined to buy the Buddy 170 or Hooligan for $100 less. I don't mind plastic panels and there is no substitute for cubic inches or a Taiwanese motor.
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:10 am quote
Deathshead wrote:
Don't these have plastic legshields and stuff? It's like all the lack of storage of a vintage lambretta with the quality of an elcheapo Hanway made in Thailand scooter. Not that I would run out and buy the shifty 400cc version if it ever came to fruition (I would)
The GT is plastic, GP Metal

Only plastic on the GP ones are glovebox and front mudguard.

They have reports in the UK of easily rusting though, so protection needed
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:45 am quote
I believe I saw a note about these being seen at Amerivespa next week.

If so, I'll take a close look. I'm not planning to replace my GTS 250 anytime soon though.
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:29 am quote
I think these are great looking bikes but I absolutely have no interest. I am less a scooter guy and more a "Vespa" guy. I feel like something like the Royal Alloy or Scomadi are designed to appeal to the Mod/Lambretta community who aren't fans of the Vespa styling. I don't mean this to come off as criticism. I think they are good looking but I'll stick with Piaggio.
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:06 pm quote
Paddlenround wrote:
I think these are great looking bikes but I absolutely have no interest. I am less a scooter guy and more a "Vespa" guy. I feel like something like the Royal Alloy or Scomadi are designed to appeal to the Mod/Lambretta community who aren't fans of the Vespa styling. I don't mean this to come off as criticism. I think they are good looking but I'll stick with Piaggio.
And equally to the point, an RA looks more or less like an updated Lambretta, but the mechanicals are nothing like a Lambretta. Wouldn't that be like buying a Chinese copy of a GTS which looked somewhat like one, but used off the shelf Chinascoot parts?
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:43 pm quote
The Buddy Kick is built in China from what I have heard. There haven't been reports of wholesale failures. Given the length of time it took Genuine to bring the 400 bike to America I don't think they would hang their name on a dog.
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:47 pm quote
Paddlenround wrote:
I think these are great looking bikes but I absolutely have no interest. I am less a scooter guy and more a "Vespa" guy. I feel like something like the Royal Alloy or Scomadi are designed to appeal to the Mod/Lambretta community who aren't fans of the Vespa styling. I don't mean this to come off as criticism. I think they are good looking but I'll stick with Piaggio.
Coming from someone that was a Mod and had Lambrettas I have to say my interest was piqued. But at the end of the day it's not a Lambretta nor for that matter is Lambretta now really. So l like the styling but yeah... not so much that I want one. Vespa is the only scoot with an unbroken heritage and really true to the brand and style even though there has been change. Besides even in my Mod then Scooterboy days I always rallied on a Vespa, my trusty P200e steed that never let me down. Loved the Lammies but if I was going a few 100 miles plus it was always on a Vespa.

I do hope Scomadi does well though. Competition is a good thing.
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