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Hooked
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:41 am quote
Gt6MK3 wrote:
Honestly, it just followed me home...
JimVonBaden wrote:
Pulled off the fugly rack and ordered more parts. Sor far up to $320 in parts, and that is before getting into the motor.
You guys make me wanna P.
P4PP.

So whats the budget for that motor?
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PX200, Moto Guzzi V7 Cafe Classic
Joined: 22 Nov 2011
Posts: 2115
Location: Sydney, Australia
Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:44 pm quote
Re: Maintenance Monday
Gt6MK3 wrote:
Bobo wrote:
...oh and found this guy living behind the battery.
That's a lady, not a guy!
Yep. The male was hanging dead in the web.
Hooked
P125x (P200 Motor)
Joined: 06 May 2019
Posts: 165
Location: Alexandria, VA
Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:33 pm quote
pheasant plucker wrote:
Gt6MK3 wrote:
Honestly, it just followed me home...
JimVonBaden wrote:
Pulled off the fugly rack and ordered more parts. Sor far up to $320 in parts, and that is before getting into the motor.
You guys make me wanna P.
P4PP.

So whats the budget for that motor?
It depends on the need, but no more than $500-700. I'm not looking to hot rod it, just make it run well, reasonable power, and be reliable.
Ossessionato
1976 Super (x 2), 1974 Primavera (x 2), 2006 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 4866
Location: So Cal
Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:45 pm quote
Funny how often this question gets asked. I keep hoping someday someone will say My budget is unlimited. Im looking to hot rod it, make it run like a freaking banshee, totally unreasonable power, and be completely unreliable.
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 7039
Location: Victoria, Australia
Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:00 pm quote
Re: Maintenance Monday
Bobo wrote:
Stripped and cleaned carb & put in new gaskets. Changed oil and spark plug. Repaired a puncture and rotated tyres. Pulled a stripped wheel stud. Degreased the motor. Good days work. Love these scoots. ...oh and found this guy living behind the battery.
Better there than on the toilet seat Bob... glad to see you are still around!
Hooked
bare metal cafe racer
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:55 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Funny how often this question gets asked. I keep hoping someday someone will say My budget is unlimited. Im looking to hot rod it, make it run like a freaking banshee, totally unreasonable power, and be completely unreliable.
There's a few on here who seem to do just that! And much respect for doing so.

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Hooked
Bodgerific 150 Super, 50s in progress
Joined: 18 Aug 2016
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Location: Melbourne, Way Downunder
Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:06 am quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Funny how often this question gets asked. I keep hoping someday someone will say My budget is unlimited. Im looking to hot rod it, make it run like a freaking banshee, totally unreasonable power, and be completely unreliable.
No matter what I actually say, that's what Ginch hears when I ask for advice on what to order.
Hooked
Bodgerific 150 Super, 50s in progress
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Location: Melbourne, Way Downunder
Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:10 am quote
I'm now up to 1 and 3/4 running and registered scooters.



3 and 1/4 to go.

I kinda feel like buying a PX that needed under 40 minutes work to be registerable was cheating somehow.
Hooked
P125x (P200 Motor)
Joined: 06 May 2019
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Location: Alexandria, VA
Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:29 am quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Funny how often this question gets asked. I keep hoping someday someone will say My budget is unlimited. Im looking to hot rod it, make it run like a freaking banshee, totally unreasonable power, and be completely unreliable.
To me this is a project bike, for fun. For speed I have other bikes. Nothing I could do to this 200cc scooter would come close to the other modern bikes I have. That said, I have not ridden it yet, so there is a chance I will be smitten and want to go all out.

I would never say unlimited budget, and unreliable though.
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PX200, Moto Guzzi V7 Cafe Classic
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:00 pm quote
Re: Maintenance Monday
Ginch wrote:
Bobo wrote:
Stripped and cleaned carb & put in new gaskets. Changed oil and spark plug. Repaired a puncture and rotated tyres. Pulled a stripped wheel stud. Degreased the motor. Good days work. Love these scoots. ...oh and found this guy living behind the battery.
Better there than on the toilet seat Bob... glad to see you are still around!
Cheers Michael. Yep still here. Really enjoying having a bigger bike, doing some long trips away but still love my PX. Couldn't live in Sydney traffic without it although it's getting scary with food delivery riders and cyclists out of control.
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05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:53 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Funny how often this question gets asked. I keep hoping someday someone will say My budget is unlimited. Im looking to hot rod it, make it run like a freaking banshee, totally unreasonable power, and be completely unreliable.
I'm not far off that, unless it's my wife asking, in which case my budget for any given project is "about five hundred bucks."
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PX200, Moto Guzzi V7 Cafe Classic
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:40 pm quote
chandlerman wrote:
SoCalGuy wrote:
Funny how often this question gets asked. I keep hoping someday someone will say My budget is unlimited. Im looking to hot rod it, make it run like a freaking banshee, totally unreasonable power, and be completely unreliable.
I'm not far off that, unless it's my wife asking, in which case my budget for any given project is "about five hundred bucks."
Anything over $100 I pay in cash so I don't leave a trail.
Veni, Vidi, Posti
a not so normal vbb2 '64, a weirdo vbx '86 and a not so normal pts100 '82
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:55 pm quote
Got a birthday gift from Brother Pheas

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New wide tyre yay. Many thanks Brother Phea

Hooked
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:04 pm quote
koenig blues wrote:
Got a birthday gift from Brother Pheas
More than welcome Brother E! Glad it made it to you. Just hope it fits - although I have no doubt you will make it fit any which way. Can't wait to see it on Pink. It's a monster! Must be the widest tire on here....
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77' Rally 200
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:28 am quote
Eventually I'll start a thread. Painted my 77' rally frame out on the street, and my Pinasco Reed valve 960 VTR motor had come in the mail from Mods and Rockers. Really want to open the box up to see!

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77' Rally 200
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:31 am quote
Mods and Rockers VTR960 225cc

http://modsorrockers-com.3dcartstores.com/Pinasco-225-9-port-engine_p_40.html

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Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
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Location: Victoria, Australia
Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:31 am quote
Skarajew wrote:
Eventually I'll start a thread. Painted my 77' rally frame out on the street, and my Pinasco Reed valve 960 VTR motor had come in the mail from Mods and Rockers. Really want to open the box up to see!
When was it sunny in Melbourne recently?! Must be photoshopped!

And that box... you just can't leave it wrapped up! I assume it's a Pinasco case... is it the reed one? Or is yours like the pictures with carb on the cylinder? Should be nice.
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77' Rally 200
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:53 am quote
haha, was on pne of the last sunny days we had. I'm worried if i unbox it i'll start losing bits
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:55 am quote
You'll be right... enquiring minds want to see!!

How is the fork going?
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77' Rally 200
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:07 am quote
I'm in the states currently, so the Rally is on hold. After pricing up a SIP fork, its likely I'll stick with modifying my PX one. I want to use a radial caliper now, seeing the pad differences between the two!
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:16 am quote
They are certainly nice. Put your money towards a stock-looking disc hub from LTH or Scooter and Service. Hope you read the stuff from Charlieman and Pheasant Plucker, there's some good info there.
Hooked
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:42 pm quote
Skarajew wrote:
I'm in the states currently, so the Rally is on hold. After pricing up a SIP fork, its likely I'll stick with modifying my PX one. I want to use a radial caliper now, seeing the pad differences between the two!
This is from research rather than practical experience (since my scooter still isn't riding)...

I reckon the PX fork keeps the alignment whereas the PK fork will cause a small leftward mis-alignment (4mm). The pro to the PK fork is it doesn't need modification... And supposedly 4mm doesn't matter.

If cutting the PX fork (which it sound like you are planning) then figure out the shock length you want... and work back to the swing arm angle aiming for ~110deg. So the shorter the shock, the more you need to cut. The more you cut, the lower the front... The S&S forks are PX based and 'superlow' available. They have a distinct look when you cut them that short - sacks the wheel into the hub, brings the wheel closer to the leg shield.

Regarding the radial caliper axel seating mount: AF Parts and Pinasco seem to be the main ones (haven't seen other options?). Both are $$$. AF Parts offer more options, and that includes speedo sensing - worth figuring out how you will run your speedo before committing.

Finally, as everyone says - modifying the guard is the hardest part.

Now go open that damn box! Bigger than xmas... And start a thread ffs. Sharing is caring.
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:46 pm quote
Ginch wrote:
They are certainly nice. Put your money towards a stock-looking disc hub from LTH or Scooter and Service. Hope you read the stuff from Charlieman and Pheasant Plucker, there's some good info there.
From the photos I've seen (someone on here recently bought one) - the Serie Pro hub from SIP looks identical to the S&S one. Bit cheaper, not a lot.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:38 am quote
Skarajew - starting on page 3 (there are allota pages...) Vintage vespa with sidecar (Page 3)

In addition to Pheas's thorough rundown:
- PX will likely give you a closer fit on gap from mudguard to horncast.
- There are lots of tricks to keeping shock travel - but using less space between shock tower and trailing arm. Have a look at my thread.
- Agreed with Pheas's approach. Would add: If you are going to cut a PX, first get your parts and fit it. Do all the work to shorten the shock area and fit the shock I just noted - if you plan to do that. Then figure the amount you will cut the fork. I was able to take a significant (25mm?) amount out of the SIP conversion fork.
- Decide what master cal/ what means to attach you will use. Lots of discussion on that too. I have a BeedSpeed conversion part - no weld - PM me while in states if you want it - just a paper weight on my desk otherwise.
Hooked
Bodgerific 150 Super, 50s in progress
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:22 pm quote
Loaded up and on the road with Ginch.

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Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:28 pm quote
Dak Lodes.
Theer is no tag line mate.
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:10 am quote
Dark lord rules..

today test the pink front shock that i fix, change the sealer oil and fix the crack now its better then new

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05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:25 pm quote
ebeth, you never cease to amaze me. It's one thing to be able to assemble a scooter from parts, but to be able to assemble parts from even smaller parts is even better

Personally, I was on vacation this week and slipped on a flight of steps (wet, mossy, pressure treated lumber), then slid the rest of the way down to a landing. I gimped my way through the rest of the week, but after I got home yesterday, I went to the doctor this morning.

Diagnosis is a torn hamstring and the biggest, ugliest bruise I've ever had in my life. Hurts like a bitch and is probably going to keep me away from Amerivespa. Doh!

On the bright side, I got my boat project finished just in time for the trip, so I was able to get on the water every day.

Power is a 20HP electric outboard, 100AH 48V LiFEPO4 battery bank. I wish the battery bank was a little bit bigger, but that's 132lbs of batteries and it's only a 14'-6" runabout.

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On the water

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Looking a little bit better

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As I found it after 30 years in a field

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night cruise

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1976 Super (x 2), 1974 Primavera (x 2), 2006 Fly 150
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:33 pm quote
Damn nice resto chandler. Or is it Captn Chandler now?
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:37 pm quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Damn nice resto chandler. Or is it Captn Chandler now?
My daughter's friends have taken to referring to me as "Captain Dad."

Other than replacing the lights on the trailer, that project is pretty much done so I can get back to scooter work. I've got a solid punch list of work on every bike I own, plus I'm going to try and do my own body work on the GL, so I have a set of hammers and dolly's in the mail.

Plus, my daughter miiiight have clipped a post with the boat trailer, so one of the fenders needs some re-shaping as well...
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:15 pm quote
Nice work Captain! The boat looks fantastic. I'd be curious to see the body tools you've got coming in the mail. I just knocked out a few dents but it's not perfect, and I'm wondering how, if at all, I could do better.
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:21 pm quote
Nice job on the boat Chandlerman. Hope you get well soon, too.

Finally got the sidecar repaired and installed today. Took it around several blocks and now I understand you drive a sidecar and ride a bike. It would be difficult if this was my only scooter. Drove my daughter on it and she loves the sidecar so the time and effort was worth it.

I hope all had a great weekend.

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Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:20 am quote
koenig blues wrote:
Dark lord rules..

today test the pink front shock that i fix, change the sealer oil and fix the crack now its better then new
I did that to Speedys original front shock as the front end kept "bouncing "... ended up trying 4 different oil viscosity's before i was happy with the firmness

Note: rim was bent
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:42 am quote
Chandlerman - that musta felt mighty good cruising at sunset like that - killer photo - love the before and after too.

Rowdy. Awesome! Know its a fixed frame - but if it feels like you have to pull or push on the handlebars all the time (not just getting on or off the throttle) - a touch of lean out for the bike &/or additional toe in for the side car wheel can make a world of difference (shim?) and increase riding enjoyment 100 fold.

Great looking toys you guys.
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:39 am quote
charlieman22 wrote:
Rowdy. Awesome! Know its a fixed frame - but if it feels like you have to pull or push on the handlebars all the time (not just getting on or off the throttle) - a touch of lean out for the bike &/or additional toe in for the side car wheel can make a world of difference (shim?) and increase riding enjoyment 100 fold.

Great looking toys you guys.
Thanks but you're wrong about setting up the original sidecar for the p200 as they are different from whatever you have. Tow is permanent and lean is set from the sidecar wheel, which is limited. Most sidecars you see from Europe, India, and Asia were made for motorcycles and adapted to a vespa. They are much heavier then the American made old vespa sidecars from Meyers and California Sidecars. A heavy sidecar will cause issues later on a light scooter.
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:55 am quote
Right.
I was suggesting some crafty shimming/slotting might pay surprising dividends even on a fixed frame.

No matter.
Bike looks great / and sounds like it's a hit at home.
Congrats.
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:16 am quote
chandlerman wrote:
ebeth, you never cease to amaze me. It's one thing to be able to assemble a scooter from parts, but to be able to assemble parts from even smaller parts is even better

Personally, I was on vacation this week and slipped on a flight of steps (wet, mossy, pressure treated lumber), then slid the rest of the way down to a landing. I gimped my way through the rest of the week, but after I got home yesterday, I went to the doctor this morning.

Diagnosis is a torn hamstring and the biggest, ugliest bruise I've ever had in my life. Hurts like a bitch and is probably going to keep me away from Amerivespa. Doh!

On the bright side, I got my boat project finished just in time for the trip, so I was able to get on the water every day.

Power is a 20HP electric outboard, 100AH 48V LiFEPO4 battery bank. I wish the battery bank was a little bit bigger, but that's 132lbs of batteries and it's only a 14'-6" runabout.
Chandlerman awesome boat!
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:22 am quote
rowdyc wrote:
Nice job on the boat Chandlerman. Hope you get well soon, too.

Finally got the sidecar repaired and installed today. Took it around several blocks and now I understand you drive a sidecar and ride a bike. It would be difficult if this was my only scooter. Drove my daughter on it and she loves the sidecar so the time and effort was worth it.

I hope all had a great weekend.
dude Rowdy that is an awesome scoot! Very good on the accessories they all seem to work every single one at least in my eyes.
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:43 pm quote
qascooter wrote:
Nice work Captain! The boat looks fantastic. I'd be curious to see the body tools you've got coming in the mail. I just knocked out a few dents but it's not perfect, and I'm wondering how, if at all, I could do better.
I'll be learning as I go, but I bought a Eastwood hammer & dolly set, which seems to be what the pro's recommend as "good enough" for pikers like myself.

I'll try to take some photos and document my journey of discovery. Right now, I'm spending a lot of time watching youtube videos by body work guys and staring at bent sheet metal.
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74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:03 pm quote
chandlerman wrote:
I'll try to take some photos and document my journey of discovery. Right now, I'm spending a lot of time watching youtube videos by body work guys and staring at bent sheet metal.
Nice boat C-man!

Check out Restolad from NZ. Does some cool stuff including fixing a PX side panel with the slap stick/hammer/thingy.
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