today i ..... bollox 2.1
Post Reply    Forum -> Not-So-Modern Previous123...5455565758Next
Author Message
Banned
2:6
Joined: 11 Jan 2007
Posts: 7426
Location: San Francisco
Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:53 pm quote
Finally got around to weighing the pinasco rims vs the stock ones:

Stock:
Rim 1498.3g
Hardware (5 nuts and washers) 26.5g
Subtotal 1524.8g

Tube 354.9g
Total: 1879.7g

Pinasco:
Rim 1378.5g
Hardware (10 bolts, nuts, and washers) 166.5g
Subtotal 1545.0g

Valve-stem, o-ring 19.1g
Total: 1564.1g
Ossessionato
05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 2119
Location: Chicago. Well, Evanston, but that's almost Chicago
Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:40 am quote
I was going to spend some time in the garage yesterday afternoon, but ninjah (Gero) texted me that he was down at his shop, so I rolled down there and hung out with him, Kenny, and Andreas while Andreas put a new Pinasco 215 on his Rally, then we just hung out all took turns test riding each other's bikes for a while.

This morning, though, I headed out to the garage to knock out what I didn't do yesterday, namely replace the dampener on the Sprint; install the fuel pump (because I start to run out of gas when I'm a gallon down without it); and re-re-re-re-run the throttle inner after the adjuster collar sheared off and the cable nipple kept not wanting to stay in and causing a high idle.

I decided against installing the stiffer spring for the time being. The suspension wasn't terrible as it was, so I'm going to ride it like this for a while before I do anything else.

IMG_20190706_170617.jpg
Check out those sweet rides!

And we didn't even plan this shot, we just randomly parked that way.

Member
'05 Stella
Joined: 11 Sep 2018
Posts: 10
Location: Evanston, Il.
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:00 am quote
whodatschrome wrote:
(It was actually Monday, and not today, but Iím finally getting the time to post it up) But every Monday evening for 8 weeks during the summer, thereís a local mountain bike race series. All I got is a BMX to race, so I do whatever it takes to keep my little 20Ē wheels turning. The track is about 30 miles from my house, and getting there involves dealing with LOTS gridlock traffic. I do a fair amount of ďlane filteringĒ to cut down my commute time. And since the bike isnít any wider that the scoot, I can easily slip between cars.

It takes about 2-3 seconds to install the bike on the rack, and less than a second to remove it. The 3 miles of loose gravel that I have to ride on makes it a little sketchy, but once on the tarmac, it rides smooth at 70mph. I have no idea what other people in cars are thinking when I go by them on the highway, but they must be perplexed.

Iíve updated the rack a smidge since this picture, so itís even better now.
very smart solution! plus: no extra holes needed.
i might steal your idea, for my 24" bmx cruiser.
Member
'05 Stella
Joined: 11 Sep 2018
Posts: 10
Location: Evanston, Il.
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:32 am quote
chandlerman wrote:
I was going to spend some time in the garage yesterday afternoon, but ninjah (Gero) texted me that he was down at his shop, so I rolled down there and hung out with him, Kenny, and Andreas while Andreas put a new Pinasco 215 on his Rally, then we just hung out all took turns test riding each other's bikes for a while.

This morning, though, I headed out to the garage to knock out what I didn't do yesterday, namely replace the dampener on the Sprint; install the fuel pump (because I start to run out of gas when I'm a gallon down without it); and re-re-re-re-run the throttle inner after the adjuster collar sheared off and the cable nipple kept not wanting to stay in and causing a high idle.

I decided against installing the stiffer spring for the time being. The suspension wasn't terrible as it was, so I'm going to ride it like this for a while before I do anything else.
fun day! opposite direction, that's us in the background.
well some angry little scooters here, but chandlerman's frankensprint is the beast

IMG_3320.JPG

Ossessionato
05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 2119
Location: Chicago. Well, Evanston, but that's almost Chicago
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:43 am quote
ninjah wrote:
fun day! opposite direction, that's us in the background.
well some angry little scooters here, but chandlerman's frankensprint is the beast
Muahahahaha!

For the record, there are no slow 's in that picture.
Addicted
GL, PK, PE200
Joined: 24 Apr 2012
Posts: 642
Location: Deep in the heart of Texas
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:58 am quote
Ossessionato
1976 Super (x 2), 1974 Primavera (x 2), 2006 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 4763
Location: So Cal
Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:40 pm quote
Dropped by motorsports... Cut robot delivering another cart full of parts on their way to good boys and girls everywhere

630A4752-C0C5-43B8-935B-EE7B1EC097AC.jpeg

Ossessionato
1976 Super (x 2), 1974 Primavera (x 2), 2006 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 4763
Location: So Cal
Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:40 pm quote
Dropped by motorsports... caught robot delivering another cart full of parts to good boys and girls everywhere

630A4752-C0C5-43B8-935B-EE7B1EC097AC.jpeg

Banned
2:6
Joined: 11 Jan 2007
Posts: 7426
Location: San Francisco
Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:30 pm quote
Took the MotoBi for a spin, finished cleaning up the rally after the melee, all set for the southern Oregon TT

05BD0D17-43F1-481F-BA78-9060EA674600.jpeg

Hooked
P125x (P200 Motor)
Joined: 06 May 2019
Posts: 159
Location: Alexandria, VA
Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:39 pm quote
Determined that A) my clutch bushing is likely bad. and B) Second gear needs replacing.
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 50s x2 78 P200 84 Cosa 58 AllState 68 Sprint 80 50special + projects
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
Posts: 6998
Location: seattle/athens
Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:47 pm quote

Patrick, is that ignition connected to original FEMSA wiring? What is it & got a link?

Thanks
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 6952
Location: Victoria, Australia
Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:28 pm quote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
Finally got around to weighing the pinasco rims vs the stock ones:

Stock:
Rim 1498.3g
Hardware (5 nuts and washers) 26.5g
Subtotal 1524.8g

Tube 354.9g
Total: 1879.7g

Pinasco:
Rim 1378.5g
Hardware (10 bolts, nuts, and washers) 166.5g
Subtotal 1545.0g

Valve-stem, o-ring 19.1g
Total: 1564.1g
Nice to know. I was a bit surprised at how heavy they feel, but they certainly seem solid.
Changing tyres is definitely not something I'd like to be doing on the side of the road though... have you tried, and do you have any tips?
Banned
2:6
Joined: 11 Jan 2007
Posts: 7426
Location: San Francisco
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:06 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
Patrick, is that ignition connected to original FEMSA wiring? What is it & got a link? :bat:

Thanks
Oh good, the orange plastidip worked! I gave it a few coats to bring the overall look in line with the original.

it's a vespatronic, but yes fully wired to stock wiring harness and fully reversible.
'74 Rally 200 Vespatronic wiring, with battery, turn signals
Banned
2:6
Joined: 11 Jan 2007
Posts: 7426
Location: San Francisco
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:08 pm quote
Ginch wrote:
oopsclunkthud wrote:
Finally got around to weighing the pinasco rims vs the stock ones:

Stock:
Rim 1498.3g
Hardware (5 nuts and washers) 26.5g
Subtotal 1524.8g

Tube 354.9g
Total: 1879.7g

Pinasco:
Rim 1378.5g
Hardware (10 bolts, nuts, and washers) 166.5g
Subtotal 1545.0g

Valve-stem, o-ring 19.1g
Total: 1564.1g
Nice to know. I was a bit surprised at how heavy they feel, but they certainly seem solid.
Changing tyres is definitely not something I'd like to be doing on the side of the road though... have you tried, and do you have any tips?
They are still sitting on the shelf for exactly that reason. oh, and the studs on the rally are too short...
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 6952
Location: Victoria, Australia
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:14 pm quote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
Ginch wrote:
oopsclunkthud wrote:
Finally got around to weighing the pinasco rims vs the stock ones:

Stock:
Rim 1498.3g
Hardware (5 nuts and washers) 26.5g
Subtotal 1524.8g

Tube 354.9g
Total: 1879.7g

Pinasco:
Rim 1378.5g
Hardware (10 bolts, nuts, and washers) 166.5g
Subtotal 1545.0g

Valve-stem, o-ring 19.1g
Total: 1564.1g
Nice to know. I was a bit surprised at how heavy they feel, but they certainly seem solid.
Changing tyres is definitely not something I'd like to be doing on the side of the road though... have you tried, and do you have any tips?
They are still sitting on the shelf for exactly that reason. oh, and the studs on the rally are too short...
You definitely need decent long studs. The stupid nuts they came with came loose on my rear and the wheel fell off 2/3 of the way around the Mille. Not nice. I only use nylocs now and sleep a bit easier.
Ossessionato
05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 2119
Location: Chicago. Well, Evanston, but that's almost Chicago
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:56 am quote
The transmission in the Sprint decided to eat (or at least chew on) itself this morning on the way to the train

I was about halfway there when it dropped out of gear, like a missed shift, got a weird wobble, then wouldn't go into gear at all.

So I'm hoping it'll be the just cruciform spun off the shift plunger, hopefully without too much damage to just put it back together and ride on.

And my debit card got compromised overnight, so my day is off to an awesome start.
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 6952
Location: Victoria, Australia
Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:18 pm quote
That sucks! On the upside, surely things can only get better?
Ossessionato
05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 2119
Location: Chicago. Well, Evanston, but that's almost Chicago
Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:03 am quote
Last night, I spent way too much time messing with the VBB, which ultimately needs more than just a carb cleaning & some fresh gas to take over as my daily commuter ride.

I did spend a little bit of time looking at the Frankensprint motor and while I didn't get the cases split yet, I have determined it's not as simple as the cruciform spun off the plunger. That part seems to be fine.

At this point, I know there's some wobble in the rear wheel, the kickstart isn't returning consistently, and it obviously won't go into gear, but runs just fine.

Tonight, assuming I have time, I'll go ahead and split the cases and see if there's anything obvious.

Oh, and the rear hub nut is stuck tight enough that my impact wrench couldn't get it loose. I'll hit it with some PB Blaster when I get home and see if letting it sit like that for a bit, plus maybe some heat, does the trick.

So at this point, I have four scooters, five motors, and nothing to ride. Meh.
Veni, Vidi, Posti
a not so normal vbb2 '64, a weirdo vbx '86 and a not so normal pts100 '82
Joined: 15 Jun 2009
Posts: 5437
Location: Indo
Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:59 am quote
Run out of vespa

Ride the smallie today but realize the barrel sucking air somewhere so i cannot seem the ride in slowly, open the engine cover and discover my spark plug loosen, wait till it cool down and try to put it back and voola.. The pattern in the head for the sparkplug were worn, push it home and ridw it like steal it and will gotta weld it heat tommorow

What funny is folks get angry and told me to ride normally

Well guess they mever experience air leak

Have a nice night and cheer
Addicted
1980 P200E project, 2005 Stella Malossi 166 MKIII
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 864
Location: Staten Island, NY
Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:14 am quote
Trying to nail down Jetting on my recently installed Malossi 166mkiii. Been way too rich but getting closer. Took the blue filter off and ran it wot on highway without going up on main. 360-370F. Piston got melty but didn't seize! Won't do that again!
Veni, Vidi, Posti
a not so normal vbb2 '64, a weirdo vbx '86 and a not so normal pts100 '82
Joined: 15 Jun 2009
Posts: 5437
Location: Indo
Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:49 am quote
koenig blues wrote:
Run out of vespa

Ride the smallie today but realize the barrel sucking air somewhere so i cannot seem the ride in slowly, open the engine cover and discover my spark plug loosen, wait till it cool down and try to put it back and voola.. The pattern in the head for the sparkplug were worn, push it home and ridw it like steal it and will gotta weld it heat tommorow

What funny is folks get angry and told me to ride normally

Well guess they mever experience air leak

Have a nice night and cheer
this is the pic of the head.. I know its too rich and dirty inside that barrel but none sold the jetting here

Screenshot_20190709-234647.png

Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 50s x2 78 P200 84 Cosa 58 AllState 68 Sprint 80 50special + projects
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
Posts: 6998
Location: seattle/athens
Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:01 am quote
swiss1939 wrote:
Trying to nail down Jetting on my recently installed Malossi 166mkiii. Been way too rich but getting closer. Took the blue filter off and ran it wot on highway without going up on main. 360-370F. Piston got melty but didn't seize! Won't do that again!
Nah, no melty pistoni yet. You still had a ways to go before you'd need to worry. The physical properties(strength) of cast aluminum for most alloys starts to decline real fast after about 400 to 425 with the special eutectic alloys used making pistons somewhat higher. Google 'Hypereutectic piston' for details


Long WOT uphill in hot weather, backing off throttle for a blip periodically. 125 motor w/ bigger carb & pipe but 90/100 primaries so it eats hills easy.
Well used & broke in setup, would not try this on a newer kit w/ a snug piston.
Just riding around normally, even in the heat & 2 up, it's never over 300.
Ossessionato
05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 2119
Location: Chicago. Well, Evanston, but that's almost Chicago
Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:07 pm quote
I pulled the head on my Sprint's motor and found it had a loose cylinder stud. That would explain the seize I had, but I don't think it explains the ticking sound, so the cases still need to get split, but at least one mystery is solved.[/img]

IMG_20190705_110434_1.jpg
Guess which stud was loose.

Ossessionato
05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 2119
Location: Chicago. Well, Evanston, but that's almost Chicago
Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:13 pm quote
I split the cases tonight and I think I figured out why the Frankensprint wouldn't go into gear...

IMG_20190709_205102.jpg
It's not supposed to be a two-part axle, right?

IMG_20190709_205329.jpg
Also, the Crimaz cruciform is looking a little rough for only a year of wear.

Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 6952
Location: Victoria, Australia
Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:58 pm quote
That Sir, is Nasty.
Addicted
1980 P200E project, 2005 Stella Malossi 166 MKIII
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 864
Location: Staten Island, NY
Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:02 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
swiss1939 wrote:
Trying to nail down Jetting on my recently installed Malossi 166mkiii. Been way too rich but getting closer. Took the blue filter off and ran it wot on highway without going up on main. 360-370F. Piston got melty but didn't seize! Won't do that again!
Nah, no melty pistoni yet. You still had a ways to go before you'd need to worry. The physical properties(strength) of cast aluminum for most alloys starts to decline real fast after about 400 to 425 with the special eutectic alloys used making pistons somewhat higher. Google 'Hypereutectic piston' for details


Long WOT uphill in hot weather, backing off throttle for a blip periodically. 125 motor w/ bigger carb & pipe but 90/100 primaries so it eats hills easy.
Well used & broke in setup, would not try this on a newer kit w/ a snug piston.
Just riding around normally, even in the heat & 2 up, it's never over 300.
Good to know I was not in the extreme danger range yet. I'm confused though, you say your never over 300F when running under those conditions, then what is the 425F temp photo from?
Ossessionato
05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 2119
Location: Chicago. Well, Evanston, but that's almost Chicago
Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:08 pm quote
Ginch wrote:
That Sir, is Nasty.
To put it mildly.

I was actually pretty happy at first, because I thought I had a spare drive shaft, but I pulled it out and discovered it was non-EFL, so now I'm stuck bitterly waiting on the SIP Gods so I can get back on the road.
Addicted
1980 P200E project, 2005 Stella Malossi 166 MKIII
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 864
Location: Staten Island, NY
Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:11 pm quote
chandlerman wrote:
I split the cases tonight and I think I figured out why the Frankensprint wouldn't go into gear...
Wow. Any idea what caused the severe split of the axle end?
Addicted
GL, PK, PE200
Joined: 24 Apr 2012
Posts: 642
Location: Deep in the heart of Texas
Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:24 pm quote
swiss1939 wrote:
chandlerman wrote:
I split the cases tonight and I think I figured out why the Frankensprint wouldn't go into gear...
Wow. Any idea what caused the severe split of the axle end?
Prob the Crimaz cruciform is hard or close to hard as the axle end and add the speed of the cruciform spinning maybe a part of the reason.
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 50s x2 78 P200 84 Cosa 58 AllState 68 Sprint 80 50special + projects
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
Posts: 6998
Location: seattle/athens
Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:39 pm quote
swiss1939 wrote:
....
Good to know I was not in the extreme danger range yet. I'm confused though, you say your never over 300F when running under those conditions, then what is the 425F temp photo from?
Sorry, it was a test run when I finished the motor build and was getting the jetting dialed in after the latest changes,
Quote:
Long WOT uphill in hot weather, backing off throttle for a blip periodically.
maybe 4 or 5 km of uphill w/ throttle wide open most of the way. The ~300F is what I normally see max.
Addicted
1980 P200E project, 2005 Stella Malossi 166 MKIII
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 864
Location: Staten Island, NY
Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:48 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
maybe 4 or 5 km of uphill w/ throttle wide open most of the way. The ~300F is what I normally see max.
Awesome. Hope I can finally dial mine in like that!
Hooked
58 VB1T, 81 100 Sport
Joined: 06 May 2019
Posts: 104
Location: Long Beach, CA
Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:06 pm quote
Broken Axle
Crazy! I've never seen a axle fail like that....
Was it a Piaggio driveshaft? How many miles on it?

That 'hardened' cruciform looks extremely poor for only 1 year old.....
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 50s x2 78 P200 84 Cosa 58 AllState 68 Sprint 80 50special + projects
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
Posts: 6998
Location: seattle/athens
Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:37 pm quote
quiz time
Is the kick starter on the 'wrong'side? Or is that the rear brake & they push started it??? Help!




1947 Vespa 98 Race
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 6952
Location: Victoria, Australia
Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:42 pm quote
Wow. That thing is pretty cool. Perhaps the kickstart hasn't been fitted?
Hooked
58 VB1T, 81 100 Sport
Joined: 06 May 2019
Posts: 104
Location: Long Beach, CA
Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:01 am quote
rear brake, push start, no centerstand race bike.

I might be wrong, but I think I'm right
Ossessionato
05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 2119
Location: Chicago. Well, Evanston, but that's almost Chicago
Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:48 am quote
Re: Broken Axle
GeekLion wrote:
Crazy! I've never seen a axle fail like that....
Was it a Piaggio driveshaft? How many miles on it?

That 'hardened' cruciform looks extremely poor for only 1 year old.....
I don't recall if it was an LML or Piaggio driveshaft. I put it in about five years ago. I'll have to look it over for any manufacturer's marks, but I don't recall any.

I think the crimaz cruciform may have actually gone in two years ago after I shattered the previous cruciform getting on the highway, so major failure of significant pieces of metal are not unfamiliar to me.

Big Horsepower == Big Failure

New parts are packaged up and waiting for UPS on the dock at SIP. Hopefully they'll arrive by Saturday, but it's always hard to know for sure.
Ossessionato
05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
Posts: 2119
Location: Chicago. Well, Evanston, but that's almost Chicago
Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:01 am quote
I found the picture of the cruciform. It was a year ago that happened.

The clutch, a BGM Superstrong, decided to chew on itself and shear the woodruff key just before Slaughterhouse last Labor Day weekend.

I'm hard on my scooters. What can I say?

IMG_20180519_114118_1.jpg
Two-part cruciform. Latest racing tech.

IMG_20180830_115830.jpg

Banned
2:6
Joined: 11 Jan 2007
Posts: 7426
Location: San Francisco
Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:29 am quote
GeekLion wrote:
rear brake, push start, no centerstand race bike.

I might be wrong, but I think I'm right ;)
you are correct!

on the wide frame the kick starter would be in line with the rear axle. they actually did special castings for some of the race bikes, the boss that would have the kick start has the bottom half bevelled for ground clearance, you can see it as a half round below the shift mechanism.
Molto Verboso
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1987 T5, 1996 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
Posts: 1527
Location: Veria, Greece
Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:18 am quote
Parts for the V50 came in. DR 102cc, 18/67 Primary, full engine overhaul. Engine bushings were a PITA. Had to machine a "dilator" to help the tube go into them, using my hydraulic press. Most shops here retrofit the PK ones but then I would need to machine a "compressor" tube to make them go in...

Everything's clean and assembly has begun...

IMG_1328.JPG

IMG_1330.JPG

IMG_1331.JPG

IMG_1332.JPG

IMG_1333.JPG

IMG_1334.JPG

IMG_1335.JPG

Ossessionato
1976 Super (x 2), 1974 Primavera (x 2), 2006 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 4763
Location: So Cal
Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:34 am quote


What the...? Iím having a tough time imagining the forces that were in play here. Were you doing burnouts? Jumping off cubs?

Oh well. Just slap a little JB Weld on there n you should be fine
Scooting the Ozarks is a scooter rally held in Eureka Springs, Arkansas offering riders scenic twisty rides, poker run, and more.   Vespa Wasp Pin Badges   Cool Ass scooter seat cover
Post Reply    Forum -> Not-So-Modern Previous123...5455565758Next
[ Time: 0.3264s ][ Queries: 25 (0.0933s) ][ Debug on ]