Gts fly screen fail
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Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:55 pm quote
So I bought a second hand Vespa Originale fly screen for my GTS and ruined it already. What Iíve been trying to figure out is why this thing wouldnít fit right no matter how I tried. Itís too tight to the headset. I had to install the headset bolts 1/2 way out to put it roughly in the right spot, and then to get it off the headset, push it up. Once itís up, the lower edge is preloaded against the mounting bar. Tighten it and you snap it, as I eventually did.

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Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:55 pm quote
My best attempt at fitting, post snap

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Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:57 pm quote
This attachment hardware sucks, the plastic collar deforms before the piece is tight in the headset, and eventually cracks.

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Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:58 pm quote
So, Iím wondering how I failed? The instructions Iíve seen on the internet make it appear easy. I am wondering if this is a fake one, the mounting hardware on the scooter west video and part listing page looks way better than what Iíve got.
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Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:34 pm quote
I can't see clearly enough from your photos why it should not fit.
I found on my Vespa flyscreen that the top screen mounting bolts had to be right at the top end of the mounting bars to fit well. I notice yours is still some distance from the end...?
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Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:49 pm quote
Yeah if I moved it up that far then the bottom edge of the screen would end up on the bar itself and the bottom fasteners would be pulling in against the curve of the screen. See how tightening the bottom with it adjusted that way will cause it to crack?

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Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:07 pm quote
I see your point - I found a similar limiting situation mounting a mid-screen onto touring screen bars to create an air channel between the lower edge of the screen and the headlamp.

Perhaps the mounting bars are not OEM or are incorrectly bent?
I do find the fit quality of Vespa accessories to be lower than my BMW bike stuff.
Those expanding plastic collars should still work the other way around.
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Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:14 pm quote
I'm with you - the shape of these bars and of this windshield are not compatible.

So I guess I'm out $55 and looking again for a flyscreen. At least it wasn't full price. I'm thinking maybe the Prima? But I don't like how the photo isn't a GTS, but it's claimed to fit LX and GTS. I want to see how that thing fits on a GTS specifically.

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Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:28 pm quote
found one, looks decent on there. some concern on the mounting hardware in the thread though.

Installing a Prima Windscreen on GTS 250
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Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:39 pm quote
Ha, figured it out. It's a crappy fake from China. Made by a company called Heinmo. This is why it sucks and doesn't fit.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/173998598590
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Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:31 pm quote
The LX and the GTS have different sized headlight nacelles and the front of the headlight is at a different angle. Windscreens to fit the LX and to fit the GTS are not interchangeable.
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Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:04 pm quote
Dooglas wrote:
The LX and the GTS have different sized headlight nacelles and the front of the headlight is at a different angle. Windscreens to fit the LX and to fit the GTS are not interchangeable.
The Prima one is billed as interchangeable, but I get where you are coming from - if it fits both, it won't be the greatest fit on one or the other or perhaps either.... I'm leaning toward the Vespa flyscreen from scooterwest or scooterpartsco at this point. I needed to convince myself that it wouldn't be as horrible as the one I just got, but now I see the hardware and screen itself are not the same, so I feel much better about ordering it.
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:40 pm quote
The OEM piaggio screens are about a mm thicker than most of the aftermarket ones.
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:28 pm quote
sdjohn wrote:
I'm leaning toward the Vespa flyscreen from scooterwest or scooterpartsco at this point. I needed to convince myself that it wouldn't be as horrible as the one I just got, but now I see the hardware and screen itself are not the same, so I feel much better about ordering it.
I have both the OEM Vespa flyscreen and the OEM Vespa medium windscreen for my GTS. Both are well made, durable, and fit well. I swap back and forth summer to winter. The mounts have held up quite well for annual removals and remounting.
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:11 pm quote
Thanks motovista and dooglass, Iíve ordered the oem one from scooterpartsco.
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Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:42 pm quote
OEM FLyscreen is absolutely worth the extra bucks. Mine mounted the way it should first time out. Keep us posted on how things go.

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Fine, after many a mile.

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Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:36 am quote
Will do, should arrive later this week or maybe early next.
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:58 pm quote
Itís on! With a caveat. The washer ďeĒ provided is too big and wonít fit into the headset mounts, so I stole it from the broken one.

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Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:58 pm quote
Finished product, except what can be safely used to remove the sticker adhesive?

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Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:39 pm quote
never mind the adhesive question, i found some adhesive remover stuff and it worked well without any issues.

I see now the following about the original windscreen that failed:
-the screen itself was the issue. the hardware is pretty close to the vespa hardware, which needed to be fully seated to have a firm grip. since the screen would not allow me to fully seat the hardware, it was definitely mis-manufactured.
-they did a decent job copying the vespa screen mounting hardware - the shape and bend looked reasonably close, and the pieces were of the same type / design, so much so that I'll keep them as spares

so in summary, don't buy cheap crap from ebay, especially heinmo screens . wish I'd have known that was what i was buying, but the seller did actually copy the e-bay ad into his ad, so that's at least partially on me.
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:59 am quote
Whoo, looks great on your ride! And I strongly believe your overall riding experience will palpably improve with this.

Note: After your initial ride with it, you may need to re-tighten things a bit.
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:59 pm quote
Thanks, didnít want anything too big but Iím expecting a noticeable difference at higher speeds. Hopefully it pans out. Looks good to me though, just have to watch how I park to avoid the melted speedometer thing.
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:00 pm quote
How did you find an original Vespa fly for $55?
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Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:15 am quote
$55 was the Heinmo knock-off that appeared to be a vespa fly screen but was not, bought on offerup locally

$110 for the real deal from scooterpartsco
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Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:03 am quote
From my time owning a GTS, you will love the flyscreen. Worked perfectly for me in warm weather, kept the wind off my chest exactly how I wanted it. Congratulations, spending the extra $$ is sometimes worth it for better fit and finish.
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Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:04 pm quote
sdjohn wrote:
$55 was the Heinmo knock-off that appeared to be a vespa fly screen but was not, bought on offerup locally

$110 for the real deal from scooterpartsco
As you may know the original fly screen is almost unnoticeable. The hardware is silver and it does not have the rubber protection for your headlight.
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:21 am quote
sdjohn wrote:
Finished product, except what can be safely used to remove the sticker adhesive?
Some solvents will mark the material permanently so take care.
My first choice is Eucalyptus oil - the "natural" method (and also great for when you or your kids have a cold!)
Paraffin / kerosene is a second alternative.

Some lable adhesives will 'curdle' or gel under this treatment, but you can wipe the gunk off with a paper towel and wash off any residue with detergent.
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:11 pm quote
The OEM screen is nice, takes a bunch of wind off the chest. Yes there is wind directed at the helmet which makes some more noise but nothing unacceptable. I'm pleased with the flyscreen! Makes the freeway better for sure.
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:33 pm quote
I have a ebay China one too. I replaced the part C with Teflon tube and works perfect.
I can send you some teflon

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Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:35 pm quote
thanks, Mikey, but my Heinmo screen is in the trash now because it cracked. I saved the hardware because it might be useful later but no need to send me anything - all good!
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