Racing frame by Crimaz
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Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:03 am quote
A new alloy racing frame by Crimaz. SF & LF motors can be mounted. Don't know the price but I want one...

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Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:55 am quote
Can cowls and ass end be fitted? I'd love to see one all decked out to look as stockish as possible. Love the concept of a cast frame.
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Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:22 am quote
Found two more photos. Terry, apparently you can do anything with it. They run it with fiber glass panels though to save weight for racing...

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Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:25 pm quote
What does it weigh ?
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Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:23 pm quote
What does it cost?

It looks amazing.
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Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:38 pm quote
Oh wow, looks good.
Molto Verboso
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Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:32 pm quote
It is aluminum I guess, so is it lighter than a typical steel frame? Iíd never buy it as itís not my thing, but I think it looks very cool.
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Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:19 pm quote
I imagine a big part of the motivation is not just weight but reducing flex.

No denying itís a thing of beauty!
Molto Verboso
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Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:25 am quote
Re: Racing frame by Crimaz
SaFiS wrote:
A new alloy racing frame by Crimaz. SF & LF motors can be mounted. Don't know the price but I want one...
Where did you see this? Add the fibreglass Crimaz panels and a lump for a crazy racing SS 90.

Or go nuts and make anything? So cool.

Not so keen on the zip fork. Maybe good for racing?
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Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:32 am quote
dang thats cool. I will take gts 300 version.
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Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:05 am quote
jackytwoshoes wrote:
I imagine a big part of the motivation is not just weight but reducing flex.

No denying itís a thing of beauty!
I 100% agree with the frame flex! With the amount of horsepower thatís available for smallframes, weight really isnít an issue anymore.


Iíd like to see someone spend the time to polish that rough casting up and then anodized it their favorite color.
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Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:21 am quote
nomadinsiam wrote:
It is aluminum I guess, so is it lighter than a typical steel frame? Iíd never buy it as itís not my thing, but I think it looks very cool.
I'd guess it's the same weight as a steel frame or maybe a little more. Steel weighs .26 lb per cubic inch and aluminum comes in at .10 lb. So if the cast frame was on average two and a half times as thick as a steel frame, the weight would be about the same, but the casting will be far stiffer.

Yeah, I'd start polishing some parts of that I think, but just polish and maintain, no anodize.


Looks to be made by sand casting and this is half of the pattern with all the gates and risers on it that get the metal into it and are then cut off.

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Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:48 am quote
Here's what's going on. The arrows show where the molten metal will enter the mold cavity after it is poured down the sprue. Looks like it is rigged for a ceramic foam filter as soon as the metal arrives - that rectangular block in the plumbing just after the sprue. That will keep oxides and impurities out of the part.

The red X's are core prints that provide a place to support the several cores that make the frame hollow in some places.


I wonder if the legshield/floor board are metal or platic?

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Molto Verboso
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Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:34 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
I wonder if the legshield/floor board are metal or platic?
Crimaz make those SS 90 based fiberglass legshields, mudguards and tail sections. I mudguard is designed to fit a zip fork too I think.
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Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:08 pm quote
This post needs a price. I expect to be

Guess: 1,000 euros?

And then how much for the rear trellis frame?
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Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:56 pm quote
So... there's a bunch of members on here who are pretty niffy when it comes to casting...
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Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:59 pm quote
The fibreglass pieces that I assume go on this aren't stupid crazy expensive...

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/main/base/Results.aspx?t=crimaz+frame&d=(sco,ape,lam,old,px,sma,max,atv,mot)&a=1&sort=0
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Molto Verboso
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Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:12 pm quote
This is mental. Could build a Vespa that literally has no actual Vespa parts.
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Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:52 pm quote
yackee wrote:
Guess: 1,000 euros?
Going to be way more than that I think. The kind of racing he's involved in, they'll spend anything.




800 euro and 5kg between the two parts...

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Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:38 am quote
Found a few more photos. No further info yet (price, weight, etc.)...

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Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:49 pm quote
Interesting solution looks to be ⅔. Vespa and ⅓. Ducati.

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Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:45 pm quote
I'm interested to know how it can work for both SF and LF.

The casting process - what can be seen anyway - looks extremely clean!
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Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:23 pm quote
What size font does a guy use for stamping in a VIN? I figure i'd bring that up in case someone were to use it on the road.

Also, shipping that frame in the mail should cost much less than a standard frame.
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Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:26 pm quote
exmayor wrote:
Interesting solution looks to be ⅔. Vespa and ⅓. Ducati.
...and 100% amature welds on the trellis subframe.
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Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:37 pm quote
I'm seeing posts on FB, one from a guy who's been in contact with Crimaz. He says the price is 7000 euro. Not sure exactly what you get for that.

The other price came from a guy who manages one of the BSSO race teams (so should know) of 2000 euro for the frame alone.

Edit: so that's what the hole is for...

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Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:39 am quote
So the hole is for throwing your money into?
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Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:51 am quote
yackee wrote:
So the hole is for throwing your money into?
You don't have to throw it. Just stand close enough and it'll rip your money out straight through your clothes.
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