1965 Allstate Resurrection
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Ossessionato
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:07 pm quote
Chatis wrote:
Thanks again guys, but as I said I am in no rush to get this done. I also want to learn, so doing this bodywork is part of my objective. Cutting, welding, grinding, treating, painting....

I have three other scooters that I ride (not all that frequently unfortunately).



Onward...
So was that VBB a SEA restoration at some point in time?
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1963 Vespa VBB, 1965 Allstate Cruisaire, 1974 Vespa Super, 2003 Stella 2T
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:44 pm quote
whodatschrome wrote:
So was that VBB a SEA restoration at some point in time?
Yes it is. But unlike others who have had horror stories, in the 14 years I have owned it I have had little issues. I did replace the motor with a LML motor with electronic ignition about three years ago. It is a solid scoot. Much faster than the Stella, and absolutely the Super. I guess I just got lucky.
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:58 pm quote
I’m back…

Had some hard personal issues to deal with. Have become a strong advocate for Death With Dignity. And, want to make people more aware of Myeloma, and that more research is needed to find a cure!

Enough of that (maybe not).

Started on bodywork. Rightly the entire floor should be replaced but as long as it remains structurally sound and safe I am going to skip that.

So some pictures..

Buggered key hole:




Cut out the damage


Replacement plate


Welded in – Finish grinding to follow

I am a better grinder than welder….

Floor board


Cut out bad section (all sections bad)


Top and sides not too bad


Replacement sheet

Made a frame so I was not just butt welding.




Tacked in


First grind. Have some pinholes to fill and then final grind.

There is another area of the floor that I will need to fix. That will be for tomorrow.

Ordered all of the treatment - Eastwood Rust Encapsulator, Internal Frame Coating, 2K Epoxy Primer, and, I had the paint matched so have a spray can of single stage for final coat.

Still lots to be done on the body. And lots on the rest of the scooter.
Molto Verboso
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:04 pm quote
I love the magnets used to hold the metal in place.
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:05 pm quote
Another busy day. Second floor patch today but also straitening the body. As I have said before this should have the entire floor done, and this second repair should have been incorporated into the first. But onward.


Pushing out the dent on the leg shield. I tried everything to get enough pressure. I had to make the device but it worked great. I can share what it is if there is interest.


Cutting out the rotten steel – it’s all wrotten.


Fabbing the patch


Spraying the channels with Eastman Internal Frame Coating





Patch finished. Smoothing grind to follow…


All metal work and bending done...

Next is treating the steel and painting the really rough areas. Oh, yeah, they are all rough areas.

Forging ahead
bodgemaster
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Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:43 am quote
I like the pace of this. Get it done.
What’s the plan for the pitted areas? Got some suggestions if you want them.
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Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:54 am quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
What’s the plan for the pitted areas?
Going to coat the floor with Eastwood Rust Encapsulator and then polyester body filler (high flex stuff). Then epoxy primer and final paint. This is just the floor. leaving the rest.
SoCalGuy wrote:
Got some suggestions if you want them.
I WANT them PLEASE. Open to any suggestions and recommendations.
Style Maven
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Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:55 am quote
Nice work on the patches, they're all looking good. SCG probably has a proper epoxy for your rough areas if you go first class. I've used this Dynatron stuff in similar situations and had good luck, and I use it anywhere I'd use just plain polyester as well. It's a lot harder and tougher, but flexible plus doesn't seem to separate from a well prepped frame like ordinary polyester bondo does.




love the way it feathers out so nice


before


after
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Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:57 pm quote
Quieter day. Mostly cleaning up and prepping for paint.

A lifetime of collecting washers has its benefits...





Painting the inside of the tunnel with internal Frame Coating



Before AND



Next is the Rust Encapsulator weather permitting…
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Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:51 pm quote
So, some painting today. Eastwood Rust Encapsulator is CRAP. Stay away…

Made a Dexter room paint booth




Here is the floorboard progression:







It looks much better than it is, but it is protected and coated. Next will be sanding, sanding, blending and polishing. Hope I can get the color to match. Doesn't look close but does to the sample from the fender. Having fun!
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Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:00 pm quote
I decided to strip the engine down today to see what I am dealing with. Only issues in teardown was first that that the rear hub bearing retainer is reverse thread. Wish I knew sooner.

Second there is case damage. I don’t know if it’s salvageable:

Something happened here:



The stud is frozen and the remnants of the bolt is frozen. I had to cut the head off the case bolt. Tried everything – heat, pressure, anti-seize, hammering, etc. Was able to split the case.



The fly side of the case is missing a chunk of aluminum at this site.



And, there is some sort of hole repair.



This part of the case is a mess. Is this repairable? How? This is a serious blow to my plan.



Suggestions and recommendations appreciated.
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:40 pm quote
How do you get this front wheel hub bearing off????

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Molto Verboso
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Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:48 pm quote
Chatis wrote:
I decided to strip the engine down today to see what I am dealing with. Only issues in teardown was first that that the rear hub bearing retainer is reverse thread. Wish I knew sooner.

Second there is case damage. I don’t know if it’s salvageable:
Dangit - Gick may know or have an idea. I know he's repaired other areas of cases.

That's a bummer...sigh....
Hooked
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Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:33 am quote
Chatis wrote:
How do you get this front wheel hub bearing off????
Start it off with a chisel under the bearing if you havent got an appropriate puller or grind the race in a couple of points and crack it with a cold chisel
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:08 pm quote
When you blast the engine case how do you protect the bearing and seal surfaces?? Do you mate the cases?

This engine case is perfect internally but has a rough spot externally. It was so dirty with 55 years of dirt buildup that it was enormously difficult to remove. Still cleaning. Carb cleaner and WD40 are my preferred cleaning agents. Wire brushes, brass wool, scotch bright pads, toothbrushes, scrapers and screwdrivers to remove hardened layers of dirt.

Suggestions please…

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Inside cleaned up well internally. Not finished cleaning yet. Carb cleaner worked great internally.



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Molto Verboso
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Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:15 pm quote
qascooter wrote:
Chatis wrote:
I decided to strip the engine down today to see what I am dealing with. Only issues in teardown was first that that the rear hub bearing retainer is reverse thread. Wish I knew sooner.

Second there is case damage. I don’t know if it’s salvageable:
Dangit - Gick may know or have an idea. I know he's repaired other areas of cases.

That's a bummer...sigh....
The case can be welded up and machined. it does not look pushed in anywhere, so i have confidence it can be worked just fine.
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Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:18 am quote
Chatis wrote:
When you blast the engine case how do you protect the bearing and seal surfaces?? Do you mate the cases?

This engine case is perfect internally but has a rough spot externally. It was so dirty with 55 years of dirt buildup that it was enormously difficult to remove. Still cleaning. Carb cleaner and WD40 are my preferred cleaning agents. Wire brushes, brass wool, scotch bright pads, toothbrushes, scrapers and screwdrivers to remove hardened layers of dirt.

Suggestions please…
Dishwasher on Pots and Pans setting when wife isn’t home.
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Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:25 pm quote
Some progress for those interested...

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Repaired, painted and polished. Ready for reassembly.

AR1302.jpg

AR1303.jpg
Color match was quite good. Blend here works OK.

AR1304.jpg
This is not exactly how I imagined it would turn out but I have grown to like it. Epoxy primer does not want to come off.
Represents scars that I have.

AR1305.jpg
Engine rebuild has begun :-). I will be shipping this to Gick. As much as I want to do this he will do a much better job, especially as relates to the repair of the case exterior.

AR1306.jpg
Front fork rebuild. This will be very much like RB Priors (http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic152801) with a FA Italia swingarm and a mix of Allstate and Indian parts

AR1307.jpg
I made the bracket myself. A little worried about my welding to get proper penetration. I will try my best.

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If someone can give me dimensions A and B for the center of the steering lock I would be grateful. Thinking about deleting it since I don't like that the key has to be in for it to be unlocked.

Molto Verboso
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Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:28 pm quote
I got 55mm x 34mm from Rocket a 1964 Allstate. Hope this helps!

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55mm

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34mm from legshield to middle of cylinder

Molto Verboso
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Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:42 pm quote
Like that you are rocking the scars.
It’s own kind of patina.
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