Fuoco/GP800 story
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:52 am quote
Here i will post the build story of the mp3/Fuoco 500 with 1000cc

Going to buy a Secondhand Gilera GP800 use the back-end of it
Refurbishing the engine and fit 2 492cc Cylinders and pistons

Ordered the Following parts

A new Frame (i can cut, i need the neck to fit to the GP800 frame)
front swingarms
Wheel hubs
front Legs from the Fuoco RL
13" front Wheels (Will fit 120/70/13 tyres or if i can find them 100 110/90/13)
2 New nising 4 piston front caliper (CBR600rr)
NG Wave brakedisk
bearings

Other stuff i've got plenty in stock

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Going to try to build it

Wil be continuted

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The Hornet (GT200, aka Love Bug) and 'Dimples' - a GTS 300
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Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:13 am quote
Ooo - fun!
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Mp3 500
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Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:54 am quote
Following with great intent been wanting to do this for long time now!!
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Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:00 pm quote
That sounds like fun! Good luck with the build.
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MP3 250LiTe
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Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:08 pm quote
You're insane! I love it!
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2008 MP3 400
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Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:16 pm quote
Going to be a bad ass ride! Piaggio needs to produce a 650 or 750cc twin parallel. Even a 500 isn't really enough to push this much weight around.
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Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:50 am quote
Great stuff, although the mash up I'd really like to see is a Fuoco front end on the engine and rear end of a Yamaha t-max

That lovely inboard twin with great sound coupled with the two wheel front end.
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:09 pm quote
won't be legal you can do it with a tricity and Tmax both Yamaha
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Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:03 pm quote
MarshalDan wrote:
You're insane! I love it!
+ 1000
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Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:07 pm quote
desq wrote:
Great stuff, although the mash up I'd really like to see is a Fuoco front end on the engine and rear end of a Yamaha t-max

That lovely inboard twin with great sound coupled with the two wheel front end.
So you want the same size motor that is already on the MP3 as apposed to an 800cc that has been bumped up to a 1000cc? I don't understand that.
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:56 pm quote
no a GP800 is a 830cc 2 cylinder that i will bumb to 986cc

We all ready done that there are 4 build now

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Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:57 pm quote
Maksor wrote:
no a GP800 is a 830cc 2 cylinder that i will bumb to 986cc
He's replying to desq who said he wanted the back on of a t-max, which is only 500 ccs.
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:02 pm quote
the T-max 530 is a 2 cylinder with enough power but maybe there will fit other cylinder to it also never looked in to it
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:04 am quote
Adjusting the cylinders

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Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:29 pm quote
Maksor...
I wouldn't mind doing the 492 conversion to my Mana.

Can you give details of what is involved as you go along?

What do the cylinders come off?

What work needs to be done to the heads?

What injector body are they using - the same?

Thanks

Trevor
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2019 MP3 500hpe Sport
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Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:12 pm quote
this size motor is something the MP3 really needed to begin with. Should be an interesting build. Post pictures and keep it up to date.
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:23 am quote
the are of the mp3 but need some adjustments

Left one stock 492cc middle adjusted 492cc right oem 430cc
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Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:59 pm quote
Have you compared the weight of the two different piston, ring, gudgeon pin assemblies?
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:22 am quote
nope not the weight

the 430cc cylinder is a lot heavier then the 492
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Thu May 21, 2020 11:00 am quote
Finaly bought a wrecked gp800 in french

Now waiting on the shipping company to bring it over

allready have a parted out 125 hybride for the front-end

Used my newly bought Fuoco frame for my Fuoco 500 HPE project that will be a brandnew Gilera Fuoco with 44bhp and maybe a reverse

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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:26 pm quote
finaly it got delivered

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Fuoco 500
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Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:02 am quote
Very great plan!
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Gilera Runner 500cc.
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Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:01 am quote
Nice, lets get this started fellow Dutchman!
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Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:31 pm quote
awesome project. very jealous
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:23 am quote
its bin a while but finaly started

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Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:03 pm quote
Looking forward to see this project completed!!
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:28 am quote
frame work

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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:18 pm quote
its moveable again

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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:21 pm quote
Front brakes i'm thinking about 260mm size rotors with 14" 3.5" wheels


the Front wheels will be made out of rear rims narrowed down to 3.5" wide

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these are 4.5 wide

Tyres will be Michelin Pilot Power 3 Scooter 120/70/14 55H

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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:32 pm quote
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Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:33 pm quote
Maksor wrote:
Front brakes i'm thinking about 260mm size rotors with 14" 3.5" wheels

the Front wheels will be made out of rear rims narrowed down to 3.5" wide
Nice project overall!

How will you narrow down the rims?
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:18 am quote
found a company that will do that for me they will take out 1" in the center and weld it together again

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2019 MP3 500 Sport
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Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:28 pm quote
Wow.

Super impressive commitment.

The MP3 500 definitely could use a boost in very low end torque to get off the line a bit faster. I nearly wish it had a manual mode, but everything comes at a price and is a balancing act.

One of the clear balancing acts in the MP3 500 design is in user-friendliness. I wish it was a tad more aggressive and a 300 or so was the vehicle for ultimate approachability and the 500 was a bit edgier.

I am amazed at the commitment to such an ambitious project! I wish there was something as crazy as a turbo or supercharger kit, but of course that'd come at the prize of frying your clutch every 2k miles or something
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Tue Dec 01, 2020 10:50 am quote
as posted earlier a turbo or supercharger will blow the head it will do this also with out a supercharger just a powercommander or rapif bike tuned to 48 HP
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GTS
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Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:36 am quote
Good progress so far!

How is the process in the Netherlands to get your project street-legal?
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Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:18 am quote
Juxus wrote:
Good progress so far!

How is the process in the Netherlands to get your project street-legal?
Not easy, bud it is possible.
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Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:13 am quote
jerryd wrote:
awesome project. very jealous
You could do your own Jerry. You have the power!
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2019 MP3 hpe 500 sport Advanced " Missy "
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Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:15 am quote
Maksor wrote:
its moveable again
Now that is cool!
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Gilera Fuoco 500ie
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Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:54 pm quote
i m going to export it and get a tuf in germany l5e lots cheaper en easier then in the Netherlands

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2019 MP3 hpe 500 sport Advanced " Missy "
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Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:53 am quote
Maksor wrote:
i m going to export it and get a tuf in germany l5e lots cheaper en easier then in the Netherlands
You could try Maksor, but they can be pretty picky over here when it comes to TÜV. Make double sure that everything is in tip top working order before you try to get it done over here .
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