Issue after driving in heavy rain.
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Piaggio MP3 300ie
Joined: 26 Jun 2014
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Location: South Shields
Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:31 am quote
Please bear with Me....
My mp3 300ie yourban has been great in all weathers. its done 30k now.
Got caught in heavy rain I have a weird issue.
So drove about 5 miles scoot running fine, stopped for fuel, on start up the scoot was running rough. Thought yeah probably getting water somewhere.
Struggle home and left it overnight. Started fine on morning and my 10 mile commute to work was fine. ( dry but cold weather)
Thought I will stop at spares shop on way home and pick up a new spark plug and some WD40, drove to shop fine, then on startup the scoot is running rough again like damp was making it miss again. weather still dry.

Rumbled home and got the engine light come up a few times.
Got home and give the coil and lead some WD40, left this overnight.

So third morning scoot running fine, done about 8 miles to work, thought I would stop and simulate issue from previous day. Turned scoot on and back on running rough again.
Weird.
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:23 pm quote
You might have a water soaked air filter. Pop it open and give it a clean and check.
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:05 pm quote
Or the ignition coil is wet.
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Piaggio MP3 300ie
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Location: South Shields
Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:54 am quote
GTdespatchcourier wrote:
You might have a water soaked air filter. Pop it open and give it a clean and check.
Just checked airfilter a, bit of water came out and, filter soaked
Dried and oiled will see how it goes Monday in commute to work.

Cheers guys
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Piaggio MP3 300ie
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Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:28 am quote
Update after drive to work.
Did the 8 miles to work no problem, thought will turn off and on again see what happens.
Have tested the voltage on the battery thats fine so not the regulator

Same thing it coughs and splutters, my thoughts are now either coil or lambda sensor.
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2013 MP3 300ie
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Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:36 pm quote
Engine stop switch?

Just flicking it on/off a few times might help if that's the problem..

(most people never use it - and switches, for some reason, don't like being ignored for a long time
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Piaggio MP3 300ie
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Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:11 pm quote
One thing I forgot to ask, if I disconnect the o2 sensor will the bike run like a bag of crap or should it run ok.
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Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:54 am quote
It just can't get THAT wet because it sits inside the exhaust. It is sealed and heavily warmed up at each run. Also it works on middle rpms, not on idle or so.
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Piaggio MP3 300ie
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Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:26 am quote
Update on issue
So decided to get a kkl adapter (that works) and do some diagnostics on my mp3 with success.
IAWDaig worked and read the error code of P0130 Lambda Sensor to low.

So I have a question has anyone tested a 02 sensor before and what reading did you get.
I have removed mine and connected a multimeter set it to millivolts then proceeded to heat up the sensor, the voltage increases then it just jumps to 0. If I remove the heat the voltage drops back down but its all over the place.

As far as I understand the 02 sensor voltage should increase to about 800mv when heated then decease when heat is removed.
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Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:28 am quote
Re: Update on issue
baboon99 wrote:
So decided to get a kkl adapter (that works) and do some diagnostics on my mp3 with success.
IAWDaig worked and read the error code of P0130 Lambda Sensor to low.

So I have a question has anyone tested a 02 sensor before and what reading did you get.
I have removed mine and connected a multimeter set it to millivolts then proceeded to heat up the sensor, the voltage increases then it just jumps to 0. If I remove the heat the voltage drops back down but its all over the place.

As far as I understand the 02 sensor voltage should increase to about 800mv when heated then decease when heat is removed.
Lambda sensor fail very rarely and most of the time is the actual cable to the lambda that it gets damage. I would remove the lambda sensor and check the actual cable or look for small damage within the wires... If the voltage is low, there is a short in the wiring somewhere, that could be just a bit of water shortening the wires..

The fact that you got an intermittent engine light on, implies that the lambda is still possibly working, but the voltage is low and considering you mentioned the rain, you should find water somewhere in the cable or the connector/s
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Piaggio MP3 300ie
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Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:54 am quote
Thought I would put an update on to where I, am with my mp3.
Had to get it transported to garage, they check it over and found a few issues.
Compression was down to 130psi said it should be atleast 200
So they put a full cylinder and barrel kit on (got a good deal on it)
Compression fixed bike will now start but will not tick over. They have said the Tps is not reading correctly in Pads.
So now it's time to look for a used replacement throttle body
As refuse to pay 600 for new one.
Can, test it on Guzzidiag see ii it reads OK
Hopefully get it running.
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50cc Beo, BigBeo
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Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:32 am quote
Is your throttle body/ecu same as on 250cc? I have one after an accident with my 250cc mp3. Including keys and ignition lock, so no mess with reprogramming your key(s).
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Piaggio MP3 300ie
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Location: South Shields
Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:55 am quote
Update.
So got the bike back from the garage, fracking thing wouldnt start, could here the relay clicking so thought must be ok.
Did a continuity test that was fine, opened the relay and found it to be rusty,
The thick copper wire was corroded, to the point of a few strands of copper enough for it to pass test, but not enough to hold the start motor to engage.

Waiting on replacement to come. Its a common replay so dont bother getting one from Piaggio as they cost to much, plenty online place to get one. 8
Replaced ecu with a second had one, jumpered the start motor and bike fired up and is now running.
Result.

For Info.
The readings on the old ECU TPS was 3.3 on the replacement 4.4 this defiantly makes a difference, as think this was causing not to tick over.
Plus compression being down, was just another factor.
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Piaggio MP3 300ie
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Location: South Shields
Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:27 am quote
Backup ansd running But
Update to my thread above.
My MP3 is backup and running, my only issue is it cutting out when coming to a stop.
I have fitted a used ECU, all see fine the scooted runs great, just the cutting out issue.
Do I need to get the TPS reset ??
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Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:56 am quote
Re: Backup ansd running But
baboon99 wrote:
Update to my thread above.
My MP3 is backup and running, my only issue is it cutting out when coming to a stop.
I have fitted a used ECU, all see fine the scooted runs great, just the cutting out issue.
Do I need to get the TPS reset ??
I recall there was a post about older ECU-Firmware having problems at idle. The rider had to keep revving the engine while stopped to prevent it from stalling. If that is what you are having to-do there was supposed to be an ECU firmware fix for it.

From 2009 MP3 500ie resurrection by user wentwest
Quote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:00 amflag quote
I think there was a slow speed stalling issue with that era MP3 500. I had a 2008 and the ECU needed a reflash at the dealer, for the same reason. Mine started and ran, but it would stall at every stop unless I revved it against the brakes. They charged me a King's ransom for it, but afterwards it started and ran MUCH better.
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Piaggio MP3 300ie
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Location: South Shields
Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:35 am quote
Re: Backup ansd running But
Yeah definitely the same issue, and I know the garage has a new firmware for ecu as they said when trying to fix my scooter previously.
Just rang them an they are going to fix it for free. Result.
pinheadh78 wrote:
baboon99 wrote:
Update to my thread above.
My MP3 is backup and running, my only issue is it cutting out when coming to a stop.
I have fitted a used ECU, all see fine the scooted runs great, just the cutting out issue.
Do I need to get the TPS reset ??
I recall there was a post about older ECU-Firmware having problems at idle. The rider had to keep revving the engine while stopped to prevent it from stalling. If that is what you are having to-do there was supposed to be an ECU firmware fix for it.

From 2009 MP3 500ie resurrection by user wentwest
Quote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:00 amflag quote
I think there was a slow speed stalling issue with that era MP3 500. I had a 2008 and the ECU needed a reflash at the dealer, for the same reason. Mine started and ran, but it would stall at every stop unless I revved it against the brakes. They charged me a King's ransom for it, but afterwards it started and ran MUCH better.
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Piaggio MP3 300ie
Joined: 26 Jun 2014
Posts: 28
Location: South Shields
Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:19 am quote
Re: Backup and running But
Visited garage last night they put a new map on, bike runs fine now.
baboon99 wrote:
Yeah definitely the same issue, and I know the garage has a new firmware for ecu as they said when trying to fix my scooter previously.
Just rang them an they are going to fix it for free. Result.
pinheadh78 wrote:
baboon99 wrote:
Update to my thread above.
My MP3 is backup and running, my only issue is it cutting out when coming to a stop.
I have fitted a used ECU, all see fine the scooted runs great, just the cutting out issue.
Do I need to get the TPS reset ??
I recall there was a post about older ECU-Firmware having problems at idle. The rider had to keep revving the engine while stopped to prevent it from stalling. If that is what you are having to-do there was supposed to be an ECU firmware fix for it.

From 2009 MP3 500ie resurrection by user wentwest
Quote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 12:00 amflag quote
I think there was a slow speed stalling issue with that era MP3 500. I had a 2008 and the ECU needed a reflash at the dealer, for the same reason. Mine started and ran, but it would stall at every stop unless I revved it against the brakes. They charged me a King's ransom for it, but afterwards it started and ran MUCH better.
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