1959 Vespa 150 VBA Restoration
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Ossessionato
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Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:14 pm quote
Thinking outside the box couldn't a slightly modifed C Clamp do the same thing? Although I'm still leaning toward and air impact with a rounded cupped bit.
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Thu May 02, 2013 7:14 pm quote
Just found this thread. Going nicely.
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Fri May 03, 2013 7:33 am quote
Thanks. I'm hoping to have a chance to do some more work this weekend. All I need is more TIME! Looking forward to seeing more details of your VBA too.
Ossessionato
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Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:20 am quote
Hows the old scooter reassembly going, any updates?
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Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:13 pm quote
Wow! Just ran across your thread and really enjoyed the story of your project. Great work and great documentation. Thanks for taking the time to keep the rest of us informed.
Molto Verboso
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Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:33 am quote
Looking great! In regards to your color choice, a buddy in my club has a VBB he had resprayed the same color. When he got it back, his mechanic was going back and forth with him over the gas tank stating that the tank was too dark relative to the rest of the bike. Then last week I found a VBB with original paint in the same color.

http://modernvespa.com/forum/post1700272#1700272

Lo and behold this paint color seems to reflect the light differently depending which direction the surface faces. What I'm saying is, don't fret if the tank looks a bit more blue and darker than the cowls. Seems to be the case with this shade. Great project!
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Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:55 am quote
like being nosey and seeing other peoples progress
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Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:01 am quote
Great project..
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:50 am quote
Have you managed to finish your restoration?
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Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:48 am quote
Great build, but I think we need to see some progress

I'm happy you decided to paint it , going with "original" and "patina" is fine on some bikes, but it doesn't stop or fix rust. Regardless of what the paint looks like on the outside if it's rusting from inside out , all the original paint in the world isn't going to hold it together. I know I'm going against the common viewpoint in this forum , but there's a point where "patina" isn't going to save the bike from returning to the earth no matter how great everyone thinks it looks.
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Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:06 pm quote
jimmyb865 wrote:
You should paint it.
Be done with that worthless 70 year old paint.
You'll enjoy it so much more. Freaking out if a cat sits on it or a leaf from a tree lands on it.
Be sure to replace that dumb light and all the rubber that's been there for over half a century.
Use really expensive paint so when you're done you can be completely satisfied with yourself that you covered up a lousy paint job to begin with.


And when you go to sell it you'll wonder why all the buyers will ask yyou"why did you paint" "it was worth more unrestored".

Then you can come back here and everybody will say "we told you so".
I know I read this before, but it didn't stick at the time. Im having the same technique used on my GS160. I absolutely agree... miracle.
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Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:28 pm quote
Csrracer wrote:
Regardless of what the paint looks like on the outside if it's rusting from inside out , all the original paint in the world isn't going to hold it together..
I strongly disagree... People who do complete restorations in SEA somehow manage to get Paint thick enough to become the structural integrity of the scooter.

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Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:32 am quote
SubEtherBASS wrote:
Csrracer wrote:
Regardless of what the paint looks like on the outside if it's rusting from inside out , all the original paint in the world isn't going to hold it together..
I strongly disagree... People who do complete restorations in SEA somehow manage to get Thant thick enough to become the structural integrity of the scooter.
I think you're confusing thick paint with copious amounts of body filler, paint no matter how thick doesn't cover up all the dents and shitty welding on an Asian restoration.

We should keep bodge details on a bodge tread and let the OP get back to his restoration updates
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:05 am quote
The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated
Can it really be over THREE YEARS since my last post? Better yet, can THREE YEARS have passed without finishing the work on this old VBA?

The answers to both of these questions are a resounding yes.

Three years ago, I did manage to get the motor back together and I started assembly on the frame. Floor rails are on, legshield trim is on (man, that was a PITA!) front suspension and fork are on. I've challenged myself to get this thing finished in two months. We'll see what happens. What seems like a thousand years ago when I took everything apart, I knew EXACTLY where everything was. Now I'm staring at a pile of random parts hoping I can remember how it goes back together. Thank goodness for pictures, labeled ziplock baggies and the fine folks on this forum!

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Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:34 pm quote
Looks terrific Eric, I wondered how this was going. I'm glad you're able to finish it up now, will be perfect weather in August. If you're still missing an end cap, I can probably fix you up - or any other original bits please check w/ me, I still owe you bigtime for the original 2 pc Allstate badge!
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:49 pm quote
Hey Terry, endcaps I have, although I had to get 2 new rivets because I had to remove 2 to put the legshield trim on. I THINK I have all the parts I need but I'll definitely hit you up for any bits that are missing.

btw, I still have that sidestand you gave me, and I'm still going to do the cutting and welding to make it a right-side prop instead of a left. I don't know if I'll actually use it on this bike but we'll see.
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Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:02 pm quote
Welcome back .


It's Eric right?
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Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:59 am quote
joshzingzing wrote:
Welcome back .


It's Eric right?
Hey Josh, yes it's me. Did you use the horn cover and bumper I sent you?
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Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:04 am quote
I did some more parts sorting last night and it's all coming back to me (maybe).

Didn't have a lot of time but I did get the throttle side switchbox housing back on the headset. A little heat from a propane torch and it slid right on.
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Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:28 pm quote
Here's a shot of that headset with the switchbox attached. I polished the aluminum a little before mounting it. Polished the "stiletto" levers too.

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Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:49 pm quote
As I was looking at the levers, I remembered that I needed to replace one of the pivot bolts because it was really worn. First I bought a set of part 150235, but they didn't have the correct shape. Then I bought a set of the pivot bolts with the shoulder, but they were clearly too short. Where can I find a correct lever pivot screw?

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Pivot screw shaft is, um, a little worn

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original on right, part 150235 on left, too short screw in middle

Hooked
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Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:53 pm quote
Another thing I bought a while back was a replacement Vespa badge. When I compared it to the original, the mounting holes did not line up. The replacement also looks really cheap so I guess I'll just clean up my old one. I also got a set of small rivets to mount this, but the rivets are too big! Guess I'll be shopping for something smaller.

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Original on top, repro on bottom

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Oops, rivet too big

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Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:39 am quote
cheers for the tips - great job. Where are things at?


I am embarking on a very similar journey - although I fear the body is in a worse state of repair. Hoping that basically sandblasting and replacing the floor will suffice. Think my timeframe will also be similar to yours!

Have a blog going with tips and techniques and general advice for anyone interested, but look forward to referring to yours.
https://1959vesparestoration.wordpress.com

What is the best online shop for classic vespa parts you have found? I have been using scooter mercado so far: http://www.scootermercato.com

Cheers,
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Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:40 am quote
Magic thread, first time I've seen it.

Dave, your best bets for parts will be SIP Scootershop, Scooter Center Cologne, Mauro Pascoli and Maskes in Holland
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:26 pm quote
Cheers Juan.


Eric, just wondering whether you did a carb rebuild at all?
These models (58-59) had somewhat of a transitory carb (SI20/17 as per picture below - including an air choke), and I have as yet been unable to find an identical one. There are plenty of replacement SPACO SI 20/17 carbs out there - but they are of a different design (including a fuel enrichener choke amongst other differences)
I am determined to keep the original and simply replace a few parts, but guess it will be a degree of trial and error as to whether replacements parts will fit?

Any tips much appreciated! Cheers


a blog on the topic here:
http://scooterlounge.com/blog/2010/06/garage-time-vespa-vba-early-series.html


and an update and a few photos of my carb removal/clean:
https://1959vesparestoration.wordpress.com/

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Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:42 am quote
last update was 2016. Now is 2019, another 3 year.

so did you ever complete her and get her back on the road?
Ossessionato
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Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:25 pm quote
I too would like to see how you're making out with the project.
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Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:23 pm quote
Life is funny
You know, life is really funny. You get wrapped up in this and that and the next thing you know, 3 years have passed. Then you get wrapped up on other things and the next thing you know, 4 more years have passed...

That's what happened to me and my VBA project. But no more dammit! I am here to announce that I've cleared the garage of other projects and now the VBA is back at the top of the list (and the crowd goes WILD!!!!!).

Just this past weekend, I dusted off the old girl and continued re-assembly. The engine is back in, headset is on and most of the cables are in. Somewhere along the way in the past 7 years, I seemed to have misplaced a few things (Vespa emblem, front wheel grease cap, clutch cable, etc) but here's how she sits. Look at that sexy taillight!

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Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:26 pm quote
And speaking of taillight
I was disappointed to discover that this brand new, in package VBA taillight gasket from SIP was TOO SMALL!! At first glance, the new and old ones appear identical, but clearly the new one is too small by about 1/2" all around. I wonder if I can stretch this thing somehow to make it work?

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Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:54 pm quote
Long time, no see indeed! Your bike looks great. I have a small stash of those gaskets that are also a bit tight, but seem to be bigger than yours. PM me and stop by to get one and maybe some of those other bits you need?

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Ossessionato
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Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:03 pm quote
Looks great , been quite a while but no race. Keep moving forward. I too got a rubber gasket from sip and it doesn’t seem quite right.

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Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:21 pm quote
very nice documenting. I wish I knew that much about engines too. Thanks for sharing. I'm considering cracking open my gs 150 engine but the previous owner said it was rebuilt and he spent $1800 on it. How can I tell I wonder?
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Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:31 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
Long time, no see indeed! Your bike looks great. I have a small stash of those gaskets that are also a bit tight, but seem to be bigger than yours. PM me and stop by to get one and maybe some of those other bits you need?
Hey V oodoo! Yeah, long time no see. I just made take you up on that offer. But before I come over to dig through your parts bin, I'm finally going to finish that sidestand. I did some cutting and grinding on it tonight while I'm waiting for the next parts delivery. I'll try to weld it up later this week.

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Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:33 pm quote
Lynnb wrote:
Looks great , been quite a while but no race. Keep moving forward. I too got a rubber gasket from sip and it doesn’t seem quite right.
Looking sharp Lynnb! Yours has come a long way too.
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Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:34 pm quote
nickton wrote:
very nice documenting. I wish I knew that much about engines too. Thanks for sharing. I'm considering cracking open my gs 150 engine but the previous owner said it was rebuilt and he spent $1800 on it. How can I tell I wonder?
I'd say your first step is to do a compression test. If the compression is good and it runs well, I'd say no need to crack it open.
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Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:41 pm quote
flyngti wrote:
But before I come over to dig through your parts bin, I'm finally going to finish that sidestand. I did some cutting and grinding on it tonight while I'm waiting for the next parts delivery. I'll try to weld it up later this week.
Hmmm...now that I look at this again, I think I need to more cutting. I flipped the mounting plate around but that gusset needs to be on the other side so the kickstand leg swings in the other direction. Good thing I didn't start welding yet. I would suck to realize my mistake after welding.
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:13 am quote
Wow that is looking great like the color but side stands make me so uneasy. Nice Job!
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:27 pm quote
When I turned it over the compression felt good to me, but perhaps I should use a tester. I think I have one but have never used it.
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:37 pm quote
Well, I did finish that sidestand. The original stand was on the left side, which is dumb since a Vespa is right side heavy because most of the engine is hanging off the right side. Anyhow, I'm not going to use it since I'm going with the original center stand. I did this mod for Voodoo.

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Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:42 pm quote
I haven't had a chance to do much posting recently, even though I've been making slow and steady progress. Here are some more photos

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