I came off my bike today
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:03 pm quote
Situation:

Evening commute; heavy rain falling; strong winds;

Bike:

2006 Vespa LX150 with Cuppini windscreen, OEM topcase, and RAM mounts on both mirror stems, and on both sides of the bike at the back end of the grab bar.

Gear:

Nolan Modular N-102 helmet; Corazzo 5.0 textile jacket; Tecnic rain jacket; Tourmaster Caliber riding pants; Icon Patrol gauntlets; Icon Patrol boots;

Rider inputs:

I had noticed that the brakes were not very responsive; the heavy rain seemed to have affected the grip of the front disk brake, and the rear drum brake as well. The result was that the brakes were requiring more pressure to the levers. Approaching a stop sign, I was having to apply more pressure and the bike seemed to be slowing less than I wanted in order to make a full stop. I applied more pressure. That's when the bike slid out from under me, the wheels sliding out to the right, and bike and I going into a slide on our left side.

Impacts, results:

Left ankle: quite a bit of abrasion, all of which was absorbed by the buckles on the left boot. Thank you, thank you, thank you Stickyfrog. No damage to my ankle. No damage to the boot other than the abrasion to the buckle; I did not feel any impact to the ankle;

Left knee: In don't recall feeling impact to my knee, at least not on the road side. I have some pain on the inside of my left knee. That impact was the scooter cowl where my leg got sandwiched between the road and scooter. No damage to my knee that I could tell. But there is some dull pain. The damage was only to the Vespa: a dent in the cowl where it compressed on my knee. There doesn't appear to be any damage to the pants. The knee armor certainly did the trick on the road side.

Left hip: I felt the impact on my left hip, and I felt the cushioning effect of the hip padding on the Tourmaster pants. Thank you Tourmaster.

Left shoulder: The impact seems to have been absorbed by the shoulder armor. I didn't notice any abrasion damage to my rain jacket. I have some strain in my upper arm. No bruising. Not really any pain.

Head: I felt a fairly decent impact to the back of my head from the road; No visible damage to my helmet. Thank you Nolan.

Vespa: Lost some paint on the leading edge of the fender. Very minor, nothing cracked or broken there. Windscreen took the brunt of the impact at the headset. Seems merely to be out of alignment. No damage to the brake lever. No obvious damage to the legshield or trim. Amazingly, aside from the dent my knee made in the cowl, there is no damage to the cowl. Why? because the ball fitting of the RAM mount did the job that my non-existent crash bars would have done. How cool is that? No damage to the topcase either. And the RAM mount, though there is a small gouge, is otherwise perfectly intact. The Vespa did not stall. I picked it up and rode off.

Psyche: I think I'm OK. Freaked out to be sure. More experienced now. I don't think that I'll be venturing out in that kind of weather any time soon. In retrospect a taxi would have been a better choice. We'll see how I feel for tomorrow's commute.
Molto Verboso
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:21 pm quote
Wow, how scary that must have been. Riding in the rain sucks. Lucky you had full gear or it most assuredly would have been worse. Glad you're ok.

I'd replace the helmet if I were you, There might be damage inside that you can't see, resulting in less protection where the impact was.
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:47 pm quote
Sorry to hear about your crash! I am glad you are mostly all right.

In the wet it takes a few revolutions to get the water off the disk brakes for them to start working properly. My guess is that when you applied more pressure to the brakes they where getting dry, which ampliefied your input. Between the additional brake input and the wet road the wheel maybe locked up.
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:02 pm quote
Sorry to hear of your mishap, I hope you still feel OK tomorrow.
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:03 pm quote
Midnight Rider wrote:
... In the wet it takes a few revolutions to get the water off the disk brakes for them to start working properly. My guess is that when you applied more pressure to the brakes they where getting dry, which ampliefied your input. Between the additional brake input and the wet road the wheel maybe locked up.
I think that's right. Plus we've had very little rain and the pavement was slick. I knew that from periodically feeling the road with my boots, and yet though I had slowed down, was riding very cautiously, it just wasn't enough with the way I mishandled the brakes. I now think that I was in a total skid with both front and back wheels locked up and didn't even realize it until the bike went down.
Molto Verboso
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:12 pm quote
David: Sorry to hear about your spill. Glad you emerged mostly intact. It's been many years since my trip to the ground on a snowy morning. The slide and fall sounds eerily the same. It was that event that led me to purchase armored pants. The ground seemed hard even at the slow speed I was traveling.

Since my head is mostly empty there wasn't a lot of psychological stuff to deal with. I just got back on the scooter, rode to work, and have been doing much the same ever since.

Careful out there in the rain and other adverse elements.

Ride safe!
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:13 pm quote
Glad you came away relatively unhurt. Maybe RAM should start advertising their mounts for crash protection!
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:20 pm quote
VESPAsfw3 wrote:
... It's been many years since my trip to the ground on a snowy morning. The slide and fall sounds eerily the same. It was that event that led me to purchase armored pants. The ground seemed hard even at the slow speed I was traveling... I just got back on the scooter, rode to work, and have been doing much the same ever since.
Thanks Steve, I remember your incident. That really helps to put this in perspective. Very much appreciated.
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:21 pm quote
glad you're okay, and things seem minimal right after...you may encounter more pain after you've slept tonight...be ready for that.
be safe!
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:22 pm quote
danny*h wrote:
Glad you came away relatively unhurt. Maybe RAM should start advertising their mounts for crash protection!
Thanks Danny.
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:30 pm quote
Things would have been much differently without the gear?
Glad u were fully covered!
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:47 pm quote
I'm glad you are okay. You'll probably be really sore tomorrow though.

That sort of thing terrifies me. Omg, that could have been me last night. It rained most of the morning and early afternoon, then cleared off. Took my scooter to the local bookstore and it was lovely out. Came out and saw clouds and lightening in the north. I thought no problem, it's going around us. By the time I got my gear on it was sprinkling and by the time I got on the road it was raining hard. Halfway home the wind kicked up and it was coming down in sheets. I gave myself lite if time to stop but the water har pooled do much I hydroplaned for a moment in one spot. I was never so glad to see home. Luckily for me the worst was being soaked all the way through. But I was not experienced enough to deal with that. I was just very lucky.

Again, do glad you are okay and what an eye opener.
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:52 pm quote
Glad it wasn't worse. You discovered the value of good gear but do replace the helmet. Anytime there is a hard hit on it the liner does its job and will be compressed in a way that you may not be able to tell visually or even by running a hand over the inside but won't protect as well in another crash.

Dents and scratches can be repaired much easier than human bodies.
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:10 pm quote
Whew! Sounds like you had the best outcome for a horrible situation. Could have been so much worse.

I hate riding in the rain. I have done it but, now, after hearing about what happened to you. I might just pull over and wait.
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:18 pm quote
Re: I came off my bike today
davidmasse wrote:
Left ankle: quite a bit of abrasion, all of which was absorbed by the buckles on the left boot. Thank you, thank you, thank you Stickyfrog. No damage to my ankle. No damage to the boot other than the abrasion to the buckle; I did not feel any impact to the ankle;
I am assuming you are referencing my off where the Joe Rocket boot saved my ankle. Glad to hear my experience helped you too. Also, glad to hear you made it out mostly unscathed. The scoot seems to have done well also. I know what you mean by freaked out...didn't hit me until I got to work and took a look at the contusion. I almost passed out. Glad you didn't have that. Get back on the road ASAP.
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:35 pm quote
Glad u are ok. Ice the knee several times a day and take ibupophen or naproxen to keep the inflammation down. It will help. U may. It feel the real pain till day after tmw. Take it easy for a few days.

Best
Miguel
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:50 pm quote
Glad you're mostly OK. Just the subject line of the topic is frightening.

You have some good advice for all of us.
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Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:13 pm quote
Wow, glad you're ok. Didn't you just install that windshield? Shoot! Take plenty of IBs and have an ale!
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:11 am quote
Glad you are hear to tell us about it......heal up!
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:37 am quote
Wow, so glad you are okay. I can't recall reading such a detailed post-crash report. Very, very helpful. Thanks again.

Even with the best of padding, though... get ready for your body to start talking to you... especially on day three and four.

Lay in a supply of good pain meds and don't plan any heavy lifting or running around for those days.
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:42 am quote
stickyfrog wrote:
davidmasse wrote:
Left ankle: quite a bit of abrasion, all of which was absorbed by the buckles on the left boot. Thank you, thank you, thank you Stickyfrog. No damage to my ankle. No damage to the boot other than the abrasion to the buckle; I did not feel any impact to the ankle;
I am assuming you are referencing my off where the Joe Rocket boot saved my ankle. Glad to hear my experience helped you too. Also, glad to hear you made it out mostly unscathed. The scoot seems to have done well also. I know what you mean by freaked out...didn't hit me until I got to work and took a look at the contusion. I almost passed out. Glad you didn't have that. Get back on the road ASAP.
That's exactly it John. As soon as I saw how your boot performed I knew I needed the same design. I am truly indebted.
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:50 am quote
Mutt The Hoople wrote:
I'm glad you are okay. You'll probably be really sore tomorrow... by the time I got on the road it was raining hard. Halfway home the wind kicked up and it was coming down in sheets. I gave myself lots of time to stop but the water har pooled do much I hydroplaned for a moment in one spot.
Thanks Mutt, looks like we had exactly the same weather. Glad you had a better outcome.
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:55 am quote
cdwise wrote:
Glad it wasn't worse. You discovered the value of good gear but do replace the helmet. Anytime there is a hard hit on it the liner does its job and will be compressed in a way that you may not be able to tell visually or even by running a hand over the inside but won't protect as well in another crash.

Dents and scratches can be repaired much easier than human bodies.
Thanks Cheryl. If that's the case, that will the most expensive damage to repair. Better that than a head injury.
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:08 am quote
Treppenwitz wrote:
Wow, so glad you are okay. I can't recall reading such a detailed post-crash report... get ready for your body to start talking to you...
Thanks David. I have always paid close attention to crash reports here, they are among the most valuable posts. Plus it helps to write it down when it's fresh to help you understand it yourself. And yes my body is talking, but all things considered, I'm fine and really glad this experience only happened in season three once I was fully (dare I write it?) A T G A T T .

Thanks to Bel and all you other MVers for the kind words. When something like this happens you are the very best friends a rider could hope for.

Note to Jess: Toreador Pants wouldn't have helped nearly as much as my pair of Tourmasters. Now I need a cupcake.
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:39 am quote
sorry to hear!

At least everything is relatively intact and you aren't hurt, which is the most important thing.

I've had a few near misses in rain too, don't much care for it!
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:58 am quote
Please see a specialist for that noggin bounce. You may believe you haven't suffered any damage but it's almost impossible to know for sure. I don't want to sound like a ninny but for all the excellent health care available to us, please get thoroughly checked out.

Harv
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:12 am quote
Glad you're ok! Hate riding in wet weather (and i live in western Washington)... Enjoyment factor down, risk factor way up.
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:20 am quote
davidmasse wrote:
Note to Jess: Toreador Pants wouldn't have helped nearly as much as my pair of Tourmasters. Now I need a cupcake.
get a hold of scootchef, she makes all kinds of them, think she is making pumpkin ones for this weekend. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Studio-K/168261429913983
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:27 am quote
Sorry to hear of your spill and glad your here to write it up. I find these accident write ups are helpful to review my own riding habits and reflect on decisions regarding gear that I wear/don't wear.

Thanks for taking the time and hoping you heal quickly.
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:33 pm quote
Glad you're okay.
Also adding my voice to the "replace the helmet" chorus.
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:44 pm quote
Sorry to hear you've gone down! Glad to hear you're okay!

If you put on enough mileage its going to happen sooner or later. You had the right equipment and you get to walk away without much damage as a result. Buy a new lid, the best you can afford, and call yourself lucky, bikes can always be fixed!

Rain sucks.
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:28 pm quote
Glad you are OK! I ride in the rain during the winter, and it is quite fun when both brakes are dripping wet. Hopefully the scooter repairs go well.
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Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:36 pm quote
Glad you are OK and that the scooter is not so much worse for the wear.
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Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:40 am quote
I'm getting more and more comfortable with my safety gear. Whenever I read about a 'scooter' accident, I am happy to read they had their gear. My recent minor slide out would have could have been worse. Glad your gear helped you. Now I'm just annoyed at having to fix things, but I'm also happy to be able to be annoyed Here's to riding safe and having the safe gear.
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Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:32 pm quote
Epilogue
It's been three days, and I think I'm over the hump.

There's a bruise showing up on the inside of my left knee where it caused dent on the cowl. I developed a pain in the neck on the right side which I assume to be a little like whiplash when my noggin was bounced backwards onto the pavement. It showed up late on the following day, just as Trepp said it would. This morning things were better, and as I write this, I feel quite normal again.

In the light of day there was more damage to the Vespa than I first reported, none of it more than minor battle scars:

- the 2 inch strip of paint off the fender that I had noticed;

- abrasion on the chrome bit of the front suspension arm cover;

- minor abrasion on the left rear view mirror;

- a couple of scuffs on the windshield;

- the ball on the end of the left brake lever is abraded;

- the legshield trim is abraded, about 2 feet down the left side;

- there is a patch about 2 inches wide and about 4 inches long on the bottom of the scoot just about where my left foot sits that is ground right down;

- the center stand no longer fully retracts on its own and has to be coaxed up with my foot. I checked this morning, nothing seems amiss, and the spring is still connected, probably needs some adjusting;

- the center stand foot lever is abraded;

- the kickstart is abraded;

I think I can live with the battle scars, they're a good reminder of the mistake I made in braking too heavily in slippery conditions.

As far as my state of mind and confidence is concerned, there was rain in the forecast for this evening's commute, so I opted for the car. The next time I ride in the rain (which I'm now planning to avoid), I'll be going s-l-o-w-l-y.

I commuted the morning after my spill, and the next day, and took the expressway in, and the expressway home last night. I would have taken the expressway in similar circumstances before the spill. The morning after I was going to avoid it, then gave myself a kick in the butt and took it any way. Otherwise I stuck to my slow scenic route.

I have to say that some of the care-free joy of riding my Vespa has eroded. Don't get me wrong, I still love to ride, but those 5 seconds of going from the saddle to the pavement are like a big blip in my consciousness right now.

I know that I don't want to do it again, nor do I want to collide with anything, ground or otherwise, ever again.

Ride safely friends, and thanks for all your support in what has turned out to be a minor issue.
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Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:43 pm quote
If the rain creeps you out, at least you can avoid it. Easy enough to do most of the time.
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Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:45 pm quote
It may take a bit to get really comfortable again on the scoot.
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Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:50 pm quote
We ride in the rain a lot here in uk,and this year we have had hardly any really dry days, it rained all the time
its raining as i post this ,.
The year started very dry thru spring and we had to take care using water ,then summer came with it came rain and floods,
we get wet a lot out on our scoots our highways slow down a bit in torrential rain, other than that traffic stays at 70 to 80 mile an hour,our actual speed limit is 70 ,and it may be increased to 80mph which means cars and big bikes will travel at about 90mph in the rain
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