Riding over obstacles - lifting off the butt?
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:01 am quote
When riding over some nasty road imperfections, such as rough railway crossings, have you ever tried to lift your butt off the seat? Is it even possible to do on a Vespa (well, any scooter)?
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:07 am quote
I often lift up going over train tracks. Why would you think you couldn't?
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:11 am quote
Definitely, always recommended to protect your lower back from being jammed.
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:13 am quote
Absolutely! That's the nice thing about these Vespas-the large sturdy floorboard makes it even easier!
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:13 am quote
Well, the feet are well in front of the body (which seems to make it difficult to stand), plus - mainly - the small wheels don't provide very strong gyro effect, so I wouldn't want to find myself sniffing the train tracks...
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:14 am quote
I either lift it up or it's jarred up by momentum. Either way my derriere is airborne. It's only when my feet come off the scooter it's worrisome.
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:17 am quote
You do it to maintain more stable control.
But yes. On every bike I own.
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:28 am quote
In my MSF course, they recommended you always lift up just before you hit an obstacle. That way you use your legs as additional shock absorbers.

If you can do it on a forward-pegs Harley or a rear-pegs crotch rocket, why couldn't you on a scooter? The only exception I can really think of is that you shouldn't stand on the pegs on an MP3 because the UFPs weren't designed to handle the stress. But you're perfectly OK with moving your feet to the floorboard and standing.

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Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:33 am quote
Wait - wasn't this already covered on the "Scootering and Farting" thread?
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:37 am quote
@Montliz, not everyone reads farting threads. Besides, some people prefer doing it rather than putting it into words...
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:09 am quote
Yes. Not that you need to stand up or anything, just a slight unloading of weight.
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:08 am quote
It's no problem...

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Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:12 am quote
Nice pic!

I did a Machine Control Day on my old Nexus, and at the end we were taken on a follow-the-leader ride which involved going up and down kerbs, standing up, and taking our gloves on and off. The only bit I balked at was standing on the seat...
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:54 am quote
I raise up on my Kymco whenever the situation calls for it. I find I have to do it more on a scooter than an m/c.
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:57 am quote
Huskyteer wrote:
Nice pic!
Thanks, the next trick is to get your pants down so you can moon all the vehicles behind you.

I'm working on it.
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:11 am quote
Try not to whupp your beak on your full screen.
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:14 am quote
I had to lift my arse off the seat when I used to ride my e-bike over speed humps at full speed. The suspension on that thing was awful.
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:16 am quote
Absolutely. I'll echo the other posters. As taught, I shift weight to the rear approaching the bump, and transition the weight forward between wheels so the rear is as light as I can make it when the back wheel hits the bump. Sometimes this means standing up a bit and letting my legs absorb some shock. I've always done it on my bicycle, so when learning to ride a motorcycle it was business as usual.

If a road/trail is exceptionally rough, I stand a bit and let the scooter bounce around below rather take all the jars on my backside. But it's rare that I'm on such a surface. More apt to do that on a bicycle.
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:04 am quote
I've never done that on a scooter, although will do it very often on a bike. Can't see any reason why not though - as long as I could get my feet below me, and not forward.
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Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:40 pm quote
Do it all the time, when appropriate.....easier on me and the scoot both

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Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:44 pm quote
I sometimes have to take it one step further... if a surprise pothole is right in front of me (and this has happened many times before) I not only lift my arse off the seat but at the same time i'm trying to get the front end up over the pothole... i used to do this as a kid on my bike and now have done it on motorcyles and now my sprint... its just a natural reaction to save my back...
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:04 am quote
Belkwinith wrote:
Huskyteer wrote:
Nice pic!
Thanks, the next trick is to get your pants down so you can moon all the vehicles behind you.

I'm working on it.
I've found that the top case/milk crate completely spoils the effect...
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:39 am quote
On my old two-stroke Vespas it was easy to get my feet back below my body to do this, but on the GTS my feet are too far forward, and I have to pull hard on the handlebars to lift my body. Just a slightly different technique, but I frequently do it.

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Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:27 pm quote
Practice standing up on a flat smooth road so you get used to the feel and change in handling if any. In the MSR course I took, they had us ride over 2X4's lifting the butt.
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:52 pm quote
I prefer to stop, get off the scoot and walk it over the obstacle.

Unfortunately, we've got lots of potholes here, so what's typically a 20-minute drive, takes me about 2 hours on the scoot.
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:21 pm quote
Belkwinith wrote:
It's no problem...
Have I mentioned lately I really like that paint job?
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:35 pm quote
Tazio wrote:
Practice standing up on a flat smooth road so you get used to the feel and change in handling if any. In the MSR course I took, they had us ride over 2X4's lifting the butt.
Same here.
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:44 pm quote
Started lifting up when I rode dirt bikes as a kid. Been doing it ever since, on or off road.
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:41 pm quote
Saturday night, I went on a dirt road to a high mountain lake to join a group shooting star trail and Milky Way photography. It was 2 1/2 miles each way. The road was choppy, dirt, gravel, potholed and had steep sections. The scooter handled it great, and I rode it standing up nearly the whole 20 minute ride in. You can get a better view of ruts and holes by standing, and your kidneys thank you quietly.

Oh, here's a shot from the night, if you wanna see why the trip was made...

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Shamelessly proud of this shot.. Lol

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Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:03 pm quote
kdude wrote:
I sometimes have to take it one step further... if a surprise pothole is right in front of me (and this has happened many times before) I not only lift my arse off the seat but at the same time i'm trying to get the front end up over the pothole... i used to do this as a kid on my bike and now have done it on motorcyles and now my sprint... its just a natural reaction to save my back...
I was just going to say this. I do his all the time on my mountain bike and I find I do this on the scooter as well out of just a natural reaction like you point out.
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:12 pm quote
Re: Riding over obstacles - lifting off the butt?
Michael B. wrote:
When riding over some nasty road imperfections, such as rough railway crossings, have you ever tried to lift your butt off the seat?
Ever tried? I do it all the time when such obstructions are spotted.
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Is it even possible to do on a Vespa (well, any scooter)?
Of course it is, why shouldn't it be?
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:16 pm quote
Absolutely...it lets you use your legs as additional shock absorbers.
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Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:57 pm quote
Stand Up for Rough Stuff
Rode MCs for ever. Butt rarely on the seat for dirt or trials riding. Now riding a scooter in Seattle. Butt rarely on the seat for pot holes. Just 'cause pot is now legal in Washington, does it mean they'll never fix the holes?
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