1959 Allstate jumped into my truck and came home with me
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:30 am quote
I've been patiently (ok, maybe not so patiently) waiting for my VBA to come out of the paint booth. This other scooter came on to CL and somehow I felt compelled to have a look at it. Seller had it listed as a 1959 Vespa but it turned out to be an Allstate. The bike is a rustbucket and really only good for parts. I wanted a few parts and ended up just buying the whole thing.

Apparently it's been sitting in the weeds for a long time. The floor and both cowls are trashed. The rust has come up the main tunnel so the frame is trashed. The kickstart lever is missing and you can see that the kickstart shaft and the case have welded together from corrosion. Who knows what it looks like on the inside. I dropped the motor when I got home. Look at what's left of the motor mount nut!

Why drag this thing home? Jesus, I have no idea. I did want the seat frame, rack and spare tire holder. A few of the floor rails are ok. The fuel tank is really clean on the inside. Fork appears to be straight. Allstate emblems are undamaged. Split headset might be usable. I'll pull off what may be usable and cut up the frame as wall art.

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Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:54 am quote
Poor old girl! Looks like she was left out to pasture for a loooong time.
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:16 am quote
hope you didn't pay too much.... i was second on that guy's list to come take a look at it. i would a really lowballed him if i even made an offer at all.
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:22 am quote
woolen undies
what is it ??........... an anchor??
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:31 am quote
For a brief moment, I had hopes of getting this thing back on the road. Then I came to my senses.
rob hodge wrote:
hope you didn't pay too much.... i was second on that guy's list to come take a look at it. i would a really lowballed him if i even made an offer at all.
I wish I could say that. I ended up blurting out a number that was more than any reasonable person should have said. Still, it was much less than he advertised so I guess I'm ok with it.
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:46 am quote
i have to ask. . .what did you pay and what will you use it for? hope you got it for $50

this is one of those bikes that when you add up the reciepts, you wish you just paid $1000 for a project Allstate because you will have 75 HRS and 4,000 dollars less in restoring it.
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:47 pm quote
GickSpeed wrote:
i have to ask. . .what did you pay and what will you use it for? hope you got it for $50

this is one of those bikes that when you add up the reciepts, you wish you just paid $1000 for a project Allstate because you will have 75 HRS and 4,000 dollars less in restoring it.
Rather than hang my head in shame, I'm going to stand up proud and admit that I paid $200 for that boat anchor (thanks bitsa!). Like I said, it's high but I was able to justify it to myself because there are some parts that I can use. The seat frame is structurally sound, as is the rack, rims and spare holder. Anything else usable I can save for anyone else who could possible use the parts. I know this thing is goner. I'm not even going to try to bring it back.

I'm thinking I'll cut off the legshield, do some quick bodywork and paint and make something I can hang on the wall like a hunting trophy
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:52 pm quote
Yard art

Do you have a yard? Take the parts worth saving, trying not to disturb the rest of it too much. Plant it in your yard with the headlight set to illuminate a path and run wires for the headlight.
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:54 pm quote
fish eyes
hell have to buy one first
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:56 pm quote
[quote="flyngti"]
GickSpeed wrote:
I'm thinking I'll cut off the legshield, do some quick bodywork and paint and make something I can hang on the wall like a hunting trophy
I like that idea! I DO! I wish I had one.. I want to make a wall piece for my office.. I'd if I saw a piece that someone had cut up, done something interesting to and welded to a bracket or something for wall hanging.. I'd probably pay 200 bucks for it.

OR I could just buy this for $200 from BedBath&Beyond!
NOT!

use what you can and make art.. you'll have done ok.

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Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:36 pm quote
if no water got in the case then i would bet there are salvageable parts in there as well.
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:46 pm quote
If you want to do a transplant, I have a VBA frame in my garage I fould love to sell.
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:31 pm quote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
Do you have a yard? Take the parts worth saving, trying not to disturb the rest of it too much. Plant it in your yard with the headlight set to illuminate a path and run wires for the headlight.
hehe, not likely. My wife was with me when I picked this up. You should have seen the look on her face when we mentioned "putting it in the yard."

For a wall hanging, I'm thinking:

An angled cut just behind the legshield keeping the legshield, headset and mudguard/wheel and a sliver of floor. This would be mounted at an angle on a board or something so it looks like the front is coming out of the wall.

OR

A straight cut using just the legshield and headset so it doesn't stick out too far and mounted flat sort of like a coat of arms.

No way I could get away with putting it in the house, no matter how nice I make it. However, it would be cool on the man cave wall.
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:39 pm quote
mount the whole bike on the wall, headlight pointing down. Make a great reading lamp.
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:14 pm quote
Guy a couple blocks over from me has an old Lambretta in his front garden that he's got his house numbers painted on, looks good (there's a picture of it here somewhere but I'm lazy)
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:14 pm quote
Lose the motor, cut it right down the middle lengthwise tires and all, flat against the wall..
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:14 pm quote
I'd clean the tank & carb, do the cables & rock the shit outa that thing.


BTW, you gave me a scare, I've been after this local pile cheap like yours(you did ~OK) & thought for a minute that you'd beaten me!


What a coincidence!


PS if you don't fix & ride, I BEG you to consider negotiating my trade or purchase of that Allstate emblem there. I have a nice Vespa emblem that would impress anybody admiring your artwork!
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:23 pm quote
I saw a picture of one that the dude made into a grill.

Hole in the bottom, a pan for charcoal, and a grill.

Had a rack on the back for a tray.
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Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:55 pm quote
jimmyb865 wrote:
I saw a picture of one that the dude made into a grill.

Hole in the bottom, a pan for charcoal, and a grill.

Had a rack on the back for a tray.
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Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:10 am quote
can i buy the headset and the horn, i have a anchor as well waiting to be build but that type is rare here

cheer mate
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Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:23 am quote
koenig blues wrote:
can i buy the headset and the horn, i have a anchor as well waiting to be build but that type is rare here

cheer mate
i've sent over a couple of split headsets to a guy in your area. Even original Veglia speedo's with the rare "Allstate" on the speedo plate!
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Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:23 am quote
ID Badge????
What is the serial # plate like?
I have one that is incorrect for my Allstate.
That is, if you're parting him out...
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Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:04 am quote
Re: ID Badge????
David's Allstate wrote:
What is the serial # plate like?
I have one that is incorrect for my Allstate.
That is, if you're parting him out...
I recall seeing your post looking for the plate. You need a 788.94495, right? Unfortunately, this one is a 788.94494.
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Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:06 am quote
Thanks for checking
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Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:42 pm quote
GickSpeed wrote:
koenig blues wrote:
can i buy the headset and the horn, i have a anchor as well waiting to be build but that type is rare here

cheer mate
i've sent over a couple of split headsets to a guy in your area. Even original Veglia speedo's with the rare "Allstate" on the speedo plate!
how much does it cost for the headset mate, speedo not include
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Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:22 am quote
koenig blues wrote:
GickSpeed wrote:
koenig blues wrote:
can i buy the headset and the horn, i have a anchor as well waiting to be build but that type is rare here

cheer mate
i've sent over a couple of split headsets to a guy in your area. Even original Veglia speedo's with the rare "Allstate" on the speedo plate!
how much does it cost for the headset mate, speedo not include
Sound like Gickspeed's got ya covered
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Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:03 pm quote
Love to see alstates being picked up worthy of restoring. Just picked up two this week for me. Ones almost done and second will need engine rebuild
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Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:44 pm quote
flyngti wrote:
koenig blues wrote:
GickSpeed wrote:
koenig blues wrote:
can i buy the headset and the horn, i have a anchor as well waiting to be build but that type is rare here

cheer mate
i've sent over a couple of split headsets to a guy in your area. Even original Veglia speedo's with the rare "Allstate" on the speedo plate!
how much does it cost for the headset mate, speedo not include
Sound like Gickspeed's got ya covered
nope still no news, beside if its too pricey i'll pass
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Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:54 pm quote


Well I got one but it's not half rusted away. Problem is you could likely buy a whole scooter for what I'd want to ask & then the shipping would ruin your wallet long time. We can talk, big discount for you...





What ARE these going for, Mr Gick?
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Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:08 pm quote
thanks Terry, i need the headset for the compliment project and i dont mind with any rust head, i think i can fix it, i am just curious with that headset as it look so practical when it come to change the cable just like my lammy bar on the not so normal smallie and best part is i dont have alot of work in the tip of the fork like what i did to the lammy bar

about the price, i can only paid $100 but u have to wait till i earn my next month salary

have a nice rusty day and cheer mate
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:36 am quote
Vader19 wrote:
Lose the motor, cut it right down the middle lengthwise tires and all, flat against the wall..
Sorry to bring back this oldie, but I just stumbled across an example of what I was thinking.. I'm looking for a rusty to put up in my office.

*photo from Vespa Boutique MX on the FB!

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Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:57 am quote
Vader19 wrote:
Lose the motor, cut it right down the middle lengthwise tires and all, flat against the wall..
Hey, that's pretty damned cool! Unfortunately, I already made the cut East-West, not North-South. My thought is to trim it diagonally at about the rear brake pedal so it looks to be exploding out of the wall. Someday when I have time, that is...

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Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:03 pm quote
Wow! You really did chop it! either way.. it'll make a great wall piece.. put 1/2 on one side of a wall and the tail end on the other...
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:16 pm quote
Vader19 wrote:
Wow! You really did chop it! either way.. it'll make a great wall piece.. put 1/2 on one side of a wall and the tail end on the other...
I agree with vader: Put the front on the wall.

Use the back end as a bar stool or end table ( get the rear light working )

Doesn't sip sell new floor boards? it doesn't look so bad in the last picture
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:29 pm quote
olstykke wrote:
Doesn't sip sell new floor boards? it doesn't look so bad in the last picture
Yep, they do. I had to buy a new floor for my VBA. However, since this thing is non-structural at this point, I'd just use a piece of sheetmetal or maybe lay up some fiberglass and call it good.
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Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:05 pm quote
olstykke wrote:
Doesn't sip sell new floor boards? it doesn't look so bad in the last picture
I think its beyond that now
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I fixed a Gs160mk1 frame that was that rusty. It was a lot of welding!
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