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Ossessionato
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Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:46 am quote
^^^show off
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Vespa
Joined: 19 Jun 2007
Posts: 1248
Location: California
Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:56 am quote
cute 90SS too small for me though
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Vespa PX200
Joined: 15 Apr 2020
Posts: 31
Location: Isle of Wight
Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:46 am quote
Thanks. It has a 135 Malossi kit fitted and genuinely scares me
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GS160, SS180, GS150(3), SS90(rep), bluebadge smallli, bluebadge sprint, lambretta LD MK1, LD MK3, NYPD LI150, VNA, V9A, P200(3), Stella, couple more
Joined: 27 May 2016
Posts: 13
Location: Maine
Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:32 pm quote
My small door v90 with Polini 133 kit and a pipe. Literally the most fun scooter Ive ever ridden.

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GS160, SS180, GS150(3), SS90(rep), bluebadge smallli, bluebadge sprint, lambretta LD MK1, LD MK3, NYPD LI150, VNA, V9A, P200(3), Stella, couple more
Joined: 27 May 2016
Posts: 13
Location: Maine
Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:35 pm quote
One more pic

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Ossessionato
Joined: 24 Jan 2008
Posts: 2004
Location: Santa Margarita,Ca.
Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:55 am quote
Pretty excited about this addition

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Style Maven
74 50s x3 78 P200 x2 84 Cosa PK50XL2 58 AllState 68 Sprint 80 50special '66(?) Super125
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
Posts: 7999
Location: seattle/athens
Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:47 am quote
Older PK125L w/ metal base headset etc?

I would be rather excited too !

You gonna do anything to the motor beyond stockish? Please keep us posted.
Hooked
79p200e 66smallstate 85pk50xl 84p125ets 63GL
Joined: 24 Nov 2016
Posts: 250
Location: Flatness, TX
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:21 pm quote
Oh heck yes, excitement is in order!! Heaps of potential....
Ossessionato
Joined: 24 Jan 2008
Posts: 2004
Location: Santa Margarita,Ca.
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:31 pm quote
Really want to keep the spare so, yes, stockish. Can’t decide if I want to bastardize the case(of course I do), or leave it alone for future generations to befoul. I’m talking about rolling over all the 90 degree stuff like the bearing journal castings. Or save that silliness for my sip cases.
Ossessionato
Joined: 26 Oct 2015
Posts: 2891

Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:35 pm quote
scootermarc69 wrote:
Pretty excited about this addition
That PK125XL is one of the finest put together “modern” Smallframes ever built. 20mm fork, big taper crank, bigger fly side crank bearing, powerful stator, great brakes, spare tire under the cowl. Top sped is 55-60mph on the flat road. No real need to kit that scooter. Keep it stock and rock!...(well, maybe install a short 4th if you ride lots of hills and headwinds).
Ossessionato
Joined: 24 Jan 2008
Posts: 2004
Location: Santa Margarita,Ca.
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:59 pm quote
whodatschrome wrote:
scootermarc69 wrote:
Pretty excited about this addition
!...(well, maybe install a short 4th if you ride lots of hills and headwinds).
That's what I was thinking!
I actually have a DRT parma loose 4th, but it requires one of his trees in conjunction. There might be a loose 4th that works with the stock tree, idk.
Ossessionato
Joined: 26 Oct 2015
Posts: 2891

Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:19 pm quote
scootermarc69 wrote:
whodatschrome wrote:
scootermarc69 wrote:
Pretty excited about this addition
!...(well, maybe install a short 4th if you ride lots of hills and headwinds).
That's what I was thinking!
I actually have a DRT parma loose 4th, but it requires one of his trees in conjunction. There might be a loose 4th that works with the stock tree, idk.
Long time ago DRT used to make a 48 tooth short fourth gear that would fit with the stock tree (the part # on the gear was F097748). I think it was discontinued close to 7-8 years ago? Nowadays it's a more expensive endevor since you would need that tree as well.

The SIP smallframe cases are pretty sweet looking. It would take a whole lot of time and money to get the PKXL's VMX6M cases even close to to SIP's. I'd be completely chuffed about getting that PXKL in the first place, and would either keep those cases stock, or put them on the top shelf to collect dust while you build up an engine using SIP cases.
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74 50s x3 78 P200 x2 84 Cosa PK50XL2 58 AllState 68 Sprint 80 50special '66(?) Super125
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Posts: 7999
Location: seattle/athens
Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:45 am quote
scootermarc69 wrote:
Pretty excited about this addition


At first I thought it was this one, currently up on ScootNet for serious money, but apparently not.
Ossessionato
Joined: 24 Jan 2008
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Location: Santa Margarita,Ca.
Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:28 am quote
V oodoo wrote:
scootermarc69 wrote:
Pretty excited about this addition


At first I thought it was this one, currently up on ScootNet for serious money, but apparently not.
Saw that one. What is the difference between the PKXL and the ETS? ETS has the 24/25 crank and PKXL has the 20/20 crank? ETS has floor rails, my PKXL has a mat like thing instead. Anything else? front hub looks different. PKXL has a larger plug for the axle nut. PKXL has some wide ass drums, not sure how they compare to the ETS.
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79p200e 66smallstate 85pk50xl 84p125ets 63GL
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Posts: 250
Location: Flatness, TX
Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:39 am quote
Most differences are cosmetic. Different seat, turn signals, rear bumper, floor rails, horn cast, headset. PKXL and ETS share the same P-style 20mm fork with 'anti-dive' style shock. Both should use the P-series brake shoes front and back. Big hubs on both ends. No spare tire as the ETS banana muffler took up that space. Engine-wise; Some PKXL came with 24/25 crank. Slightly longer rotary crank timings on the ETS crankshaft. 20/20 carb instead of 19/19 which uses a different manifold. Easy bolt-on. Dykes-ring piston on the ETS engine. 2nd gen clutch with the long lever cover and one big spring. PKXL came with 2nd gen and 3rd gen clutch (6-spring PKXL2) depending on production run. Otherwise, quite similar.

Great find!

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Ossessionato
Joined: 26 Oct 2015
Posts: 2891

Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:53 am quote
The ETS and PK125XL both have the awesome large taper 24/25 crank!
The ETS and PK125XL should both have the same brakes and hubs. In the scoot.net ad, the ETS does appear to have a much smaller hub nut cover. I'm wondering if someone swapped out the stock 20mm fork for something smaller?..or hopefully just a crappy aftermarket front brake drum was installed instead? The only way to tell really is to get pics of the other side of the ETS.

The PKXL has different-
-floormat
-taillight (ETS has a ET3 taillight)
-turn signals (PKXL are flush-ish).
-upper headset cover
-an actual spare tire carrier (under the cowl). No carrier on the ETS.
-panel release latches that are located under the seat
-different exhaust
-horncast cover is slightly, slightly different

I think what makes the ETS faster is the exhaust? The PKXL also comes with an ETS cylinder head. I think the PKXL also comes with a 20mil carb (same as the ETS).

So which scooter is better?...well, it's probably best to own both!
Ossessionato
1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
Joined: 02 Aug 2015
Posts: 2143
Location: Veria, Greece
Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:40 am quote
The ETS is very desirable at the moment and their prices have gone up. They're not considered 100% PKs (although based on them) and people are usually offended if someone calls it a PK. It's called P 125 ETS and for me at least, it's one of the best smallframe Vespas created by Piaggio. You could maybe call it a smallframe P or T5...

It also now has some very hard to find parts that go for "silly" money (indicators, headset top, decals & badges, exhaust, etc.)...
Style Maven
74 50s x3 78 P200 x2 84 Cosa PK50XL2 58 AllState 68 Sprint 80 50special '66(?) Super125
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
Posts: 7999
Location: seattle/athens
Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:40 pm quote
Curious, does it also have the superior IMO, single cable shifter like the XL2 and Cosa II?
Ossessionato
Joined: 24 Jan 2008
Posts: 2004
Location: Santa Margarita,Ca.
Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:29 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
Curious, does it also have the superior IMO, single cable shifter like the XL2 and Cosa II?
2 gear cables
Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 8363
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:02 pm quote
jeanshorts, you dirty birdy why you gotta be copying me!?

excellent score. great bike. so much fun to ride.

i've long since adios'd my spare to make room for a pipe. can't really complain, but i like to get silly like that.

if you've got the parts snap 'em on and roll. you'll be happy you did!

-g
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Joined: 11 Jan 2007
Posts: 7648
Location: San Francisco
Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:20 am quote
DEA getting serious about smallframes:

https://www.facebook.com/DeaEngineering/posts/2075009419297820
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 8055
Location: Victoria, Australia
Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:23 pm quote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
Now that's impressive.
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ET3
Joined: 05 Mar 2013
Posts: 568
Location: OC
Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:51 pm quote
Full run on the embedded vid.

*click the link for the last pull on the dyno and results

https://youtu.be/2Ez-2yKmlMQ?t=213
Veni, Vidi, Posti
a not so normal vbb2 '64, a weirdo vbx '86, a not so normal pts100 '82 and a red lipstick '74 sprint
Joined: 15 Jun 2009
Posts: 5727
Location: Indo
Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:20 pm quote
Started to think my smallie is like a interstate busses 500km since monday and keep ongoing

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300km distance and 12 hours, talk about a slow punk

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Another 200km for today

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'81 Special, '81 P150X, '13 LML Star 200
Joined: 30 Nov 2018
Posts: 79
Location: Ukraine
Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:39 pm quote
Before and after - 1987 PK 50 XL












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Ossessionato
Joined: 26 Oct 2015
Posts: 2891

Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:44 pm quote
Very nice. I love the color orange too.
Hooked
'79 - V90 =//= 2005 - ET2
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Posts: 147
Location: Brooklyn, New York
Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:47 pm quote
Oh yea! Nice work
Enthusiast
'81 Special, '81 P150X, '13 LML Star 200
Joined: 30 Nov 2018
Posts: 79
Location: Ukraine
Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:54 pm quote
Thanks guys. We worked with friend 1.5 year on this PK.
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'79 - V90 =//= 2005 - ET2
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Posts: 147
Location: Brooklyn, New York
Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:57 pm quote
I Hope you have orange doors for it.
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'81 Special, '81 P150X, '13 LML Star 200
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Posts: 79
Location: Ukraine
Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:01 pm quote
smallframenyc wrote:
I Hope you have orange doors for it.
Yes.
Doors, spare wheel, mirror, badges and side stand already on their places.
Ossessionato
1980 P200E , 2005 Stella 177
Joined: 20 Jul 2018
Posts: 2586
Location: Staten Island, NY
Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:43 pm quote
Beautiful. Looks like a scooter t5bitza would be proud of.
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1974 Primavera
Joined: 16 Aug 2020
Posts: 12
Location: St george ut
Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:20 am quote
Also, anyone know of a left side battery door for sale?
Much appreciated. For a74 primavera

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Yeah that door...

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Vespa 125 VMA, Vespa SS 180
Joined: 14 Feb 2018
Posts: 60
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:14 pm quote
I found a nice small door 90. I couldn't pass on it when I saw the original paint was so nice. The engine was in parts in a box. Anyone tried raising and widening the exhaust port and decking the head to get a little more pep out of it? Thought I might try it, along with a better muffler and bigger carb.

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