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Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:09 pm quote
213 / 224cc for 150 case by BSG

It's not the 300, but it's on the market!!

It's available in case induction and cylinder induction via reed. Only 850 and 950...

A very interesting point is that the rod is 118mm, 15mm longer than the original.

http://www.duepercento.com/product_info.php?products_id=2491

http://www.duepercento.com/product_info.php?cPath=41_91&products_id=2492

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Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:54 am quote
Is that a new Quattrini kit, for the 200cc.
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Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:14 pm quote
GLscoot wrote:
Is that a new Quattrini kit, for the 200cc.
I just edited the post, for some reason the headings are not showing up for me.

The amazing thing here is they've made a 213/224 with 69mm bore to fit the 150 case! Raises heaps of questions - which they don't answer - but it's pretty cool nonetheless.
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:18 am quote
Also not the 300 BSG, but this is of some interest. It's a 66mm bore Parmakit for 150 cases... which makes with a stock crank 195cc! And 205 with a long stroke!

http://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/racing+cylinder+parmakit+tsv_75040100
http://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/racing+cylinder+parmakit+tsv_75040200

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Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:25 am quote
And... it's here! They are actually taking orders!


http://www.jbtuning.co.uk/BSGVespa.html

They are not giving out a price because "All engines are built to order by BSG in Italy once a deposit has been received and the final price will depend on the specification required. "
Seeing as there are no options to choose from on the largeframe motor (209 smallie motor also released at the same time) then they should just put up a price and be done.
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The complete large-frame engine includes 36mm Dellorto carb, 4-speed gearbox, BSG clutch and uprated primary drive

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Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:48 am quote
Ginch wrote:
And... it's here! They are actually taking orders!
(209 smallie motor also released at the same time)
Good grief 209!
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:08 am quote
It has been mentioned on FB, 3500 is the figure for the large frame.
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:16 am quote
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It has been mentioned on FB, 3500 is the figure for the large frame.
Hi is that complete just bolt on engine?
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:28 am quote
xmas list is going to be a pricey one this year,kids will have to go without

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Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:43 am quote
BSG Vespa Engines Now Available in the UK Exclusively from JB Tuning

After a further year of development and testing, BSG are beginning production of both the PX-type larger frame and also their small-frame 209cc engines (which produce over 40hp!) and they are now available EXCLUSIVELY in the UK from JB Tuning, the country's ONLY official Casa Lambretta UK Performance Centre.

The complete large-frame engine includes 36mm Dellorto carb, 4-speed gearbox, BSG clutch and uprated primary drive, while the 209cc engine includes 39mm Dellorto carb, special 4-speed racing gearbox (with 5-speed option), Newfren clutch with 27/69 ratio.
Copyright 2015 JB Tuning
Back in October 2014 Scootering Magazine and Rimini Lambretta Centre brought a Vespa PX to us, powered by a new prototype engine from Italian tuning-house BSG.

With a brand new CNC machined engine casing of their design and a 305cc top-end it produced an incredible 51hp on our dyno.

All engines are built to order by BSG in Italy once a deposit has been received and the final price will depend on the specification required.

As of November 2015, the lead time is expected to be 8 to 10 weeks, but this may change depending on demand. For more details give us a call on 01702 545952 or send an email.

From JB Tuning web page.
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:10 am quote
I don't know what's more intimidating the cost of the engine or all the frame bracing that follows.

The smallie carb is megladon.


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Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:05 am quote
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:25 pm quote
GLscoot wrote:
It has been mentioned on FB, 3500 is the figure for the large frame.
I sent an email to them to ask about a price for the PX motor, and here is the reply:
Quote:
Hi,Michael
Thanks for you inquiry,yes at the moment their is only the 1 option
305 plug and play motor 9000
These are order only so we will need a 50% deposit up front, time scale wise around 8wks but does depend on how many are ordered
Hope this helps and we look forward too hearing from you,feel free Michael too ask any questions etc

Kind Regards JOHN B
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That is 9000

Or $13,685 US

Or $19,286 AU!!!!!!!!!

Faaaark.
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:54 pm quote
Hmm PX300 or CBR1000RR? Same price. Oh wait.. with the Honda you get a whole motorcycle. But for that money, the Vespa can probably match it's 9.98 1/4 mile or 173mph top speed.
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:10 pm quote
That is 9000

Or $13,685 US

Or $19,286 AU!!!!!!!!!

Faaaark.[/quote]

Does that include postage to Aus?
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:37 pm quote
chuckactor wrote:
Hmm PX300 or CBR1000RR? Same price. Oh wait.. with the Honda you get a whole motorcycle. Bet the Vespa can match it's 10 flat 1/4 mile or 173mph top speed.
I don't think people ride vespa's because they cant afford superbike's

I would rather have the px306 over the cbr anyday,much more fun,if you can keep the front wheel down not many places you can do 173mph anyhow
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:42 pm quote
Pricing is pretty much like a Targa Twin for Lambretta and I assume the Lambretta BSG 305 will be in that range. Probably more.
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:44 pm quote
^^^ agree. I thought 3.5k was expensive, but 9k. I suppose it comes down to supply & demand. But it would be fun sitting at the lights, with the 4 wheel tadgers taking the piss, then the lights turn green.
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:38 pm quote
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I don't think people ride vespa's because they cant afford superbike's
100% i bought my px on its own merritts
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I would rather have the px306 over the cbr anyday,much more fun,if you can keep the front wheel down not many places you can do 173mph anyhow
ooooooooooo dont agree with that ,its horses for courses sunday morning yam *** * ** no problem ,but most fun you can have with your clothes on but it will end in tears ,ktm supermoto best bike i,ve ever owned if only my back was good ................on off road wheelie everywhere

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Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:55 pm quote
that's a lot of money... I think if I had that kind of budget, and was trying to pimp my ride, I'd settle for what may be less performance in the end but a real custom job. It's about the journey as much as the destination, after all.
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:18 pm quote
What about this little beauty 8500 so 500 over for a helmet boots and gloves

http://www.retrospectivescooters.com/gs-160-mk2-1964/

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Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:34 pm quote
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that's a lot of money... I think if I had that kind of budget, and was trying to pimp my ride, I'd settle for what may be less performance in the end but a real custom job. It's about the journey as much as the destination, after all.
I totally agree. I think it's interesting that these guys were able to build it but... buying one and bolting it on? Seems like a boring rich guy move to me.
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:39 pm quote
Ginch wrote:
GLscoot wrote:
It has been mentioned on FB, 3500 is the figure for the large frame.
I sent an email to them to ask about a price for the PX motor, and here is the reply:
Quote:
Hi,Michael
Thanks for you inquiry,yes at the moment their is only the 1 option
305 plug and play motor 9000
These are order only so we will need a 50% deposit up front, time scale wise around 8wks but does depend on how many are ordered
Hope this helps and we look forward too hearing from you,feel free Michael too ask any questions etc

Kind Regards JOHN B
JBTUNING
That is 9000

Or $13,685 US

Or $19,286 AU!!!!!!!!!

Faaaark.
Don't think we'll be seeing many on the road @ that price !!!!
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:18 pm quote
ssteam177 wrote:
Ginch wrote:
GLscoot wrote:
It has been mentioned on FB, 3500 is the figure for the large frame.
I sent an email to them to ask about a price for the PX motor, and here is the reply:
Quote:
Hi,Michael
Thanks for you inquiry,yes at the moment their is only the 1 option
305 plug and play motor 9000
These are order only so we will need a 50% deposit up front, time scale wise around 8wks but does depend on how many are ordered
Hope this helps and we look forward too hearing from you,feel free Michael too ask any questions etc

Kind Regards JOHN B
JBTUNING
That is 9000

Or $13,685 US

Or $19,286 AU!!!!!!!!!

Faaaark.
Don't think we'll be seeing many on the road @ that price !!!!
FFS, that is staggering
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Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:17 am quote
Hi guys it looks fun but i think it goes completely against the vespa simple functional runabout ethos ,all the strengths of vespas, little wheel maneuverability ,fuel economy ,tyres,suspension would all be negated with that engine...........................
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Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:42 am quote
I asked some questions to satisfy my curiosity...

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Does it come with an ignition system & if so what is it? And in particular, is the fan up to the job of cooling it?

Does it come with a cylinder cowl, & if so is it a standard type or made specially?

I'm assuming it doesn't come with an exhaust. All the pictures I've seen show an expansion chamber - how integral to the motor is that exhaust and is it particular to the motor? Can a box type be used without a downside (other than a likely decrease in power)?

What primary drive gear ratio is supplied with it?

The reply:
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Hi, Michael
Thats our pleasure, it comes with a Parma variable ignition and yes fan up to the job, comes with cowl specific for it and a expansion exhaust to suit as for primarys i think they are standard px primary or to spec as for box exhaust no i wouldnt have thought so
The cowl question was me wondering how much physically larger the cylinder is.
I wonder if the Parmakit fan truly is up to the job? That motor at full tilt is probably producing five times the heat of a stock motor... assuming the heat produced is linear with the horsepower.
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:10 am quote
no waaaay
this falla has some info on a bigger standard scooter from lml .......... clicky
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:20 am quote
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:26 am quote
Woaw!!
That thing sounded like the angriest chainsaw i've ever heard.

I wonder how that compares to Scomadi engines.

That thing is wicked. I got a little tent in my jeans after listening to that thing.
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:29 am quote
george1966 wrote:
What about this little beauty 8500 so 500 over for a helmet boots and gloves

http://www.retrospectivescooters.com/gs-160-mk2-1964/

george
over priced as well & still not as good as a GS150
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:41 am quote
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over priced as well & still not as good as a GS150
just looking at your gs150 ..............beautiful
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:49 pm quote
wow. i was hoping it would sell for $5k. Any idea how many mpg this pig will make?
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Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:52 pm quote
Re: Woaw!!
Rudechem wrote:
That thing sounded like the angriest chainsaw i've ever heard.

I wonder how that compares to Scomadi engines.

That thing is wicked. I got a little tent in my jeans after listening to that thing.
What scomadi engines are you talking about? If you are talking about the production Scomadi those are crap wet fart Taiwanese sourced auto 4 strokes.
If you are talking about the one off 172 scomadi that uses a auto Piaggio motor with Malossi 172 kit. Still completely different things.
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Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:08 pm quote
Can an Italian reader here please translate what they are saying? I think maybe it's a less expensive version? Cast instead of CNC?

https://www.facebook.com/bsgcorse.it/posts/961788540571262

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Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:44 am quote
yes - the billet aluminum they are using is expensive and looking to a cast version. There are all sorts of new cast Lambretta being release including a Casa Lambretta item that will accept the BSG 305 Bullet top end.
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Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:14 pm quote
almogavar1969 wrote:
yes - the billet aluminum they are using is expensive and looking to a cast version. There are all sorts of new cast Lambretta being release including a Casa Lambretta item that will accept the BSG 305 Bullet top end.
I think I saw that about the sand cast case for Lambretta on SLUK. Looks like a very good thing and not crazy money either.
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Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:34 pm quote
Im amazed that after all these years of the Vespa that noone seems to have found an aftermarket replacement motor to fit them!
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Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:40 pm quote
Ginch wrote:
almogavar1969 wrote:
yes - the billet aluminum they are using is expensive and looking to a cast version. There are all sorts of new cast Lambretta being release including a Casa Lambretta item that will accept the BSG 305 Bullet top end.
I think I saw that about the sand cast case for Lambretta on SLUK. Looks like a very good thing and not crazy money either.
that was only one sandcastle case which was the Granturismo. Sand cast we have - Misano Supercase, Casa Lambretta, AF and the New Uni Repros.
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Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:42 pm quote
SubEtherBASS wrote:
Im amazed that after all these years of the Vespa that noone seems to have found an aftermarket replacement motor to fit them!
motor? Or cases ? We have Malossi and pinasco sand cast cases and billet BSG and GP One
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Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:37 pm quote
almogavar1969 wrote:
SubEtherBASS wrote:
Im amazed that after all these years of the Vespa that noone seems to have found an aftermarket replacement motor to fit them!
motor? Or cases ? We have Malossi and pinasco sand cast cases and billet BSG and GP One
Complete motor. They seem to do it for Lambrettas. I saw a CR500 in something a few times. Thinking there must be a 300 +cc motor out of a twistie or dirt bike motor that would fit
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