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Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:23 am quote
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WOW, someone got burned on that one! $7150.00! That thing is fffffffffffugly
Yeah, that's what I thought. And I don't even know what I'm talking about.
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:42 am quote
ravenlore wrote:
dchernikoff wrote:
....

Have you posted the same question on the Chinese scooter forum dedicated to your scoot, with thousands of members world-wide? Oh, there isn't one? Hmm....

-Dan
Yes, actually, there is. ScootDawg.

I stand corrected!

One other comment -- concerning Chinese quality. There are lots of quality products made in China. For a long time, the Apple iPod was made in Shanghai (I've been the factory and seen pallets of iPod's stacked up, and took a peek at the assembly line. My company was doing manufacturing on the same floor). And they were tip notch quality, noone would argue with that. But "you get what you pay for". When a company does manufacturing in China (or anywhere), they specify the parameters of quality control the want. The more quality control (more checks, tighter tolerances in manufacturing, etc.) the more expense. So it's strictly a cost/benefit equation. The marketing department decides what price point they want to put on their product, to maximize profit, and figures out how to manufacture it to realize the profit margin they want. Taking into account after sales support, if any, etc. Just because it's made in China doesn't make it bad....

So if a product is being sold for way less than it's competition, it's not a bad guess that some of that savings comes from reduced manufacturing quality control. Not always, but it's a pretty good bet most of the time. It's an easy way to save in manufacturing cost.

-Dan

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Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:24 am quote
seamus26 wrote:
WasRoadbum wrote:
Life is far too short not to start a savings jar for a Vespa.

You know the first rule of finance?:

Pay yourself first.

You know the second rule of finance?

Get out of debt as quickly as possible.

You know the third rule?

STAY out of debt by not buying what you cannot afford to pay in full at the time of purchase.

---

I'm deeply sorry. I cannot justify buying a Chinese scooter.


Harv
Dave Ramsey?

Believe me, my wife and I are very much this way. We own four cars (plus the Chinese scoot), all paid for. Except for the airline tickets that we purchased this past week (which will be paid off immediately after the trip) we have no credit card debt. Our only outstanding debt is the mortgage that we have refinanced twice to pay off early. We have a great credit score and enough cash in our checking account that I could realistically write a check for the row of Vespas at the dealership. We both have healthy 401Ks and really no worries.

This isn't bragging; it's the result of hard work and frugality over a long period of time. Perhaps that's why I originally posed the question.

One thing that I have learned to appreciate over the years is how passionate people are abut things that they love. I felt that in the VW Bus community when I was part of it, I feel that amongst the Volvo crowd, musicians, artists and anyone who really takes a serious interest in something. There's certainly no lacking of that at MV, and I really get that, and I appreciate it.

Being new to the scooter world I was testing the waters, so to speak, with the Chinese scooter. The one thing that I can tell you is that there is a subset of Chinese scooter owners who are equally passionate about their bikes in their own way, and I love that, too.

Just like my first car was not a Mercedes, my first bike was not a Vespa. I am leaning in that direction because of what I've read here and because of the passion that I see Vespa owners have for their machines. I'm sure that there are exceptions, but I don't see a lot of ego here (much) or people riding their bikes simply for bragging rights. You guys (and girls) really love what you ride, and that's what it's all about. That's what I'm looking for.

We just had a meet here in Grand Rapids at GR Scooter. It was their 2nd annual BBQ Rib Cookoff. It wasn't a lot of people, but out of the twenty odd bikes I saw a Genuine, a Buddy, several Chineese bikes, a Burgman, an old Honda Elite and even a Ruckus fatty conversion. The common denominator was that everyone there loved their bike and wanted to share that. And good ribs.

I'm still learning a lot, but I learn quickly. Thanks for all the info.
I guess some of Ramsey is like what I've always done? You probably know the book The Richest Man in Babylon. It spells things out better than anyone I've read.

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Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:51 am quote
jeepmandan wrote:
WOW, someone got burned on that one! $7150.00! That thing is fffffffffffugly
Wonder if he'll show up around here?
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:39 am quote
YaYaDave wrote:
jeepmandan wrote:
WOW, someone got burned on that one! $7150.00! That thing is fffffffffffugly
Wonder if he'll show up around here?
NewMember wrote:
Hey, everybody! I'm new to the forum and I just got a great deal through Barrett Jackson for this all original Vespa in a beautiful two tone paint scheme. I know Barrett Jackson only sells the best of the best, so I'm sure you are all super-jealous ...
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:15 am quote
That scoot fetched $7,150 due to overwhelming sentimental reasons.

It was a consortium of 10 Vietnamese fellows that bought it so they could have a piece of their 20 grandfathers' original old Vespas.
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:38 am quote
Aviator47 wrote:
That scoot fetched $7,150 due to overwhelming sentimental reasons.

It was a consortium of 10 Vietnamese fellows that bought it so they could have a piece of their 20 grandfathers' original old Vespas.
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:36 pm quote
dchernikoff wrote:
ravenlore wrote:
dchernikoff wrote:
....

Have you posted the same question on the Chinese scooter forum dedicated to your scoot, with thousands of members world-wide? Oh, there isn't one? Hmm....

-Dan
Yes, actually, there is. ScootDawg.

I stand corrected!

One other comment -- concerning Chinese quality. There are lots of quality products made in China. For a long time, the Apple iPod was made in Shanghai (I've been the factory and seen pallets of iPod's stacked up, and took a peek at the assembly line.
Just a few QA issues here and there:

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/22/apple-returns-5-8-million-defective-iphones-to-foxconn/
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:42 pm quote
rgconner wrote:
dchernikoff wrote:
ravenlore wrote:
dchernikoff wrote:
....

Have you posted the same question on the Chinese scooter forum dedicated to your scoot, with thousands of members world-wide? Oh, there isn't one? Hmm....

-Dan
Yes, actually, there is. ScootDawg.

I stand corrected!

One other comment -- concerning Chinese quality. There are lots of quality products made in China. For a long time, the Apple iPod was made in Shanghai (I've been the factory and seen pallets of iPod's stacked up, and took a peek at the assembly line.
Just a few QA issues here and there:

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/22/apple-returns-5-8-million-defective-iphones-to-foxconn/
Uh, that's the iPhone, manufactured by Foxconn. I was taking about the original iPod, manufactured by IAC...

Like I said, you pay for what you get.

-Dan
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:53 pm quote
As a person who has worked with Chinese manufacturers for years, it really does depend on who is sourcing the product. The Chinese deliver products based on the supply-demand model and do cut corners where they can to match competitive international pricing. However, if the company sourcing the part rejects it because of quality issues, the Chinese do fix the issues and move forward with better quality.

For example, I wouldn't buy a Vietnamese made scooter but my Vespa in Thailand was made in Vietnam and had equitable quality to the Italian version I have here. It's my experience that the Chinese can deliver just as high quality goods if there is someone demanding the quality. I work in quality in the high tech industry and we get tons of Chinese sourced products without issues.

I wouldn't buy a Chinese scooter but a guy in our club has one that has 30,000 miles on it and he rides it everywhere. We call the thing "Frankenbike" because Mark has fixed every part at one time or another but he keeps it going!
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Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:35 am quote
seamus26 wrote:
This is the 1966 (I had the year wrong) 150 Super I mentioned. I went back to look at it today with my wife. They want $4K for it, completely restored with 300 miles. It has everything including the manual and rain cover.

Comments?
I just bought my 300 from this dealer and saw this scoot. Not sure if it a bodge or not but the problem with this is lets say it is a real Vespa, you would not want to ride it too much as putting wear and tear on a restored scooter that would harm its value. Get yourself a scooter that has some pitina and ride the hell out of it. You can find them all over the place. It can be just as dependable but it will be more fun to ride as you won't cry if you get a scratch on it.
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Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:39 am quote
rgconner wrote:
dchernikoff wrote:
ravenlore wrote:
dchernikoff wrote:
....

Have you posted the same question on the Chinese scooter forum dedicated to your scoot, with thousands of members world-wide? Oh, there isn't one? Hmm....

-Dan
Yes, actually, there is. ScootDawg.

I stand corrected!

One other comment -- concerning Chinese quality. There are lots of quality products made in China. For a long time, the Apple iPod was made in Shanghai (I've been the factory and seen pallets of iPod's stacked up, and took a peek at the assembly line.
Just a few QA issues here and there:

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/22/apple-returns-5-8-million-defective-iphones-to-foxconn/
It all comes down to how the business wants to spec out the quality of the products. If you want junk, then the Chinese company can do that. If you want quality, they can do that too. Just comes down to how expensive do you want your end product to be. I bet Piaggio could go over to China and have them make a Vespa that is every bit as good as the Italian scooters but it will not be as inexpensive as the Chinese scooters. Would probably cost just about as much as the Italian version.
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Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:58 am quote
msprygada wrote:
seamus26 wrote:
This is the 1966 (I had the year wrong) 150 Super I mentioned. I went back to look at it today with my wife. They want $4K for it, completely restored with 300 miles. It has everything including the manual and rain cover.

Comments?
I just bought my 300 from this dealer and saw this scoot. Not sure if it a bodge or not but the problem with this is lets say it is a real Vespa, you would not want to ride it too much as putting wear and tear on a restored scooter that would harm its value. Get yourself a scooter that has some pitina and ride the hell out of it. You can find them all over the place. It can be just as dependable but it will be more fun to ride as you won't cry if you get a scratch on it.
That was kind of my intention. I was going to more or less replace the 928 with the Vespa (and hopefully have money left over). It wouldn't be a daily driver, but it sure would be a great weekend cruiser.

I'm leaning toward a used PX150 or something of that flavor.
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Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:05 am quote
msprygada wrote:
rgconner wrote:
dchernikoff wrote:
ravenlore wrote:
dchernikoff wrote:
....

Have you posted the same question on the Chinese scooter forum dedicated to your scoot, with thousands of members world-wide? Oh, there isn't one? Hmm....

-Dan
Yes, actually, there is. ScootDawg.

I stand corrected!

One other comment -- concerning Chinese quality. There are lots of quality products made in China. For a long time, the Apple iPod was made in Shanghai (I've been the factory and seen pallets of iPod's stacked up, and took a peek at the assembly line.
Just a few QA issues here and there:

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/04/22/apple-returns-5-8-million-defective-iphones-to-foxconn/
It all comes down to how the business wants to spec out the quality of the products. If you want junk, then the Chinese company can do that. If you want quality, they can do that too. Just comes down to how expensive do you want your end product to be. I bet Piaggio could go over to China and have them make a Vespa that is every bit as good as the Italian scooters but it will not be as inexpensive as the Chinese scooters. Would probably cost just about as much as the Italian version.
Looking at the quality of the components on my ZNEN I have to agree with you. Like I said, I've spent a great deal of my life in quality control and have a very critical eye for all things quality. The frame welds are very neatly done, the overall quality of the plastic components appears to be as good as any (despite some of the rough edges), and the castings - which I am particularly familiar with - look better than many of the parts that we supply to our customers.

I was told when I bought it the ZNEN was top of the line for quality in the Chinese scooter market. That's why Jason only carries ZNEN and Bintelli.
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Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:24 am quote
seamus26 wrote:
msprygada wrote:
seamus26 wrote:
This is the 1966 (I had the year wrong) 150 Super I mentioned. I went back to look at it today with my wife. They want $4K for it, completely restored with 300 miles. It has everything including the manual and rain cover.

Comments?
I just bought my 300 from this dealer and saw this scoot. Not sure if it a bodge or not but the problem with this is lets say it is a real Vespa, you would not want to ride it too much as putting wear and tear on a restored scooter that would harm its value. Get yourself a scooter that has some pitina and ride the hell out of it. You can find them all over the place. It can be just as dependable but it will be more fun to ride as you won't cry if you get a scratch on it.
That was kind of my intention. I was going to more or less replace the 928 with the Vespa (and hopefully have money left over). It wouldn't be a daily driver, but it sure would be a great weekend cruiser.

I'm leaning toward a used PX150 or something of that flavor.
especially if you could find one of the last years (2005??) with the front disk brakes? Or a nice P200 would be a nice ride. I was looking one earlier this year in your area. That would be a pretty fast scooter.
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Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:11 pm quote
Ok, me again. I did a little more research on that '66. Here's what I found. It has a clean title at the dealership and was owned by a guy who lives in Ada named Giuseppe. Taking cues from what I've learned, I looked for some specifics. Here are some pics.

Here's the stamp on the case :



Here's a larger pic of the engine :



Here's the tank (no gasket) :



Pillion grab (not chromed) :



Center mat :



Correct exhaust :



Speedo :



Horn :



Not pictured is the headset collar which is painted to match, not chromed.

Al in all it has some pretty good hallmarks, from what I can see. They also said they'd be willing to negotiate price when I said it seemed a bit spendy.

Comments?
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:59 am quote
scooterist wrote:
No offense but ....

...Look at the TV shows, people eat chicken from the floor, the butchers cut the meet on the floor while the ash from their cigarrete falls on the food, they don't wash their hands and factory workers work 12-14 hours a day rushing their job. Go ahead and ban me for telling the truth but Chinese products SUCKS!!!, maybe they are good at making egg rolls and steamed rice or to make copies of Nike T-shirts.

...I hope that I convinced you by now .
"Look at the TV shows". Yep. As I sit here in London, reading the Times, with my bowler hat and rolled up umbrella by my side, I'm instructing my butler to type this for me before he pops down the apples and pears and makes me a nice cup of Rosy Lee to go with me jellied eels.

If your view of a country is based on mainstream TV and stupid stereotypes then I'd just say:

- God help America. I mean, I've seen all those TV programmes and they must be true, right? There's a man from Orc, living in Boulder, balancing on some football posts, corrupting our women with his wiggly fingers, and just waiting to signal the start of the Alien Invasion. And then there's that Mr Burns guy with the nuclear plant. He's pure EVIL!
- At least those hard-working Chinese butchers can probably spell "meat"
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:49 am quote
Quote:
Comments?
Lets just say there are many things about this scooter that
would prevent me(myself) from buying it. that doesn't mean its not
a fine runner.

1) leg shield glove box(never on a super)

2) chromed gas cap(not my personal preference) and
used on many poor restorations.

3) new center stand that puts front tire way off ground.

4) custom color (not my personal preference)

5) new speedometer (not my personal preference)

6) many other added chromed and new parts (not my personal preference)

7) the keys(for kill switch) bother me, they are in the same place on many bodges.
my personal preference would be to have it in the
glove box hidden.....or(again for me) not have it at all.

These factors don't necessarily mean its a bodge, but
its appeal is greatly diminished by these factors.
And I would be curious to see the welds inside(under the fuel tank)
as well as the serial numbers on the frame, and engine.
I would like to see it running, and take it for a real test
ride. But, (again just for me) I wouldn't get that far, I wouldn't
buy it.

if this was posted on the Not So Modern section of this forum, I'm sure
you would get more responses some negative, and some positive.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:42 am quote
Thanks for the advice! And will-do.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:57 am quote
That 66 is just a disaster looking for a place to happen. Underneath that shiny coat of paint, layers and layers of bondo. and poorly chromed bits, there are the carcasses of multiple scooters cobbled together. Those scooters have had a hard life, driven to their limits of metal fatigue in SEA. If you really want an older Vespa, look around on scoot.net. FB has a scooter community classified section. There is a whole world of heartache and wallet fatigue resting on that shiny turd from SEA.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:02 am quote
starreem wrote:
That 66 is just a disaster looking for a place to happen. Underneath that shiny coat of paint, layers and layers of bondo. and poorly chromed bits, there are the carcasses of multiple scooters cobbled together. Those scooters have had a hard life, driven to their limits of metal fatigue in SEA. If you really want an older Vespa, look around on scoot.net. FB has a scooter community classified section. There is a whole world of heartache and wallet fatigue resting on that shiny turd from SEA.
But it was owned by a guy named Guiseppe!
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:05 am quote
snowrider wrote:
starreem wrote:
That 66 is just a disaster looking for a place to happen. Underneath that shiny coat of paint, layers and layers of bondo. and poorly chromed bits, there are the carcasses of multiple scooters cobbled together. Those scooters have had a hard life, driven to their limits of metal fatigue in SEA. If you really want an older Vespa, look around on scoot.net. FB has a scooter community classified section. There is a whole world of heartache and wallet fatigue resting on that shiny turd from SEA.
But it was owned by a guy named Guiseppe!
Well, it was ...

I dropped these pics in the NSM section as well. Let's see what else I can find.

I thought the clean title was a bonus, plus the dealer said he was an older gentleman. Of course, he's probably run a business for the last 40 years importing these from Indonesia.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:57 am quote
I almost bought a ZNEN Romeo, or something similar. the thing was cute as a button. then my brother-in-law was all, "Why don't you just buy a used Vespa off Craigslist?" and just then my spare car died. so in the end, i decided that this was my one chance to take on buying a scooter, and i would need to get a reliable one for my commute. i decided not to mess around, so maybe my husband would take this idea seriously.
so i took his advice, and i am so glad i did!
the Vespa was what i wanted all along, and i negotiated a wonderful price from a private seller: $3k for a pristine 2009 S 150 with like 265 miles on it, plus some good accessories. look for a deal; they can be found.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:35 am quote
For our first scoot purchase, we got a pair of ZNEN scoots, hers a "federal 50"

And Mine a "Federal Tuscan 50" - I killed mine within 4 months as I got a BB Kit installed but the jets were not re set so I blew it up/threw a rod. Mostly my fault though.

The Federal/ZNEN brand seems a little bit better quality then the taotao's but still from China.

That said, my wife is still going strong on her little federal, even after a few good spills. Mechanically hers has been no problem.

My in between scoot was/is a XY-260t and it's been a total PITA from day one, mechanical faults, etc. This is how I ended up in here with my beloved BV-250.

So we have had mixed results, but overall I can say I will not buy Chinese Again.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:45 am quote
BattlebornScooterist wrote:
killed mine within 4 months as I got a BB Kit installed but the jets were not re set so I blew it up/threw a rod
Even if a big bore kit installation is correctly jetted, unbalancing the crankshaft assembly greatly enhances the odds of bearing failure.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:04 pm quote
Benelli Boy wrote:
- God help America. I mean, I've seen all those TV programmes and they must be true, right? There's a man from Orc, living in Boulder, balancing on some football posts, corrupting our women with his wiggly fingers, and just waiting to signal the start of the Alien Invasion. And then there's that Mr Burns guy with the nuclear plant. He's pure EVIL!
No no, you picked two that are pretty accurate. Except it is "Ork" not Orc.

Orc's are English, old pip.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:45 pm quote
I went for a used modern with low miles and have done a lot of the work on it myself, mainly because it was left for so long stored with the previous owner. You do hold a lot more value with a Vespa, especially the vintage ones, I'd be surprised if models such as the GS160s and similar don't appreciate year on year.

More importantly though they are great fun, practical and they do have a quality and style to them.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:53 pm quote
look familiar?



it's the honda Joker, the original all the Chinese knock off's are based on...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Joker

http://hondajoker.wordpress.com/honda_joker/
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:33 pm quote
^ In Finland and in Europe generally, I guess, the Joker was badged the Shadow.

The copies are known as the (Baotian, Qingqi) Bella here.
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:53 pm quote
Is the aspect ratio of that picture right? Is it really as short and squat as it looks?
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Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:29 pm quote
EvilNerdLord wrote:
look familiar?



it's the honda Joker, the original all the Chinese knock off's are based on...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Joker

http://hondajoker.wordpress.com/honda_joker/
Best of all, it was a 50 or 90cc 2 Stroke.
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Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:03 am quote
This is my Chinese Quality Control Quote of the Day, from Business Insider:

"A separate investigation earlier this year found that the donkey meat sold at some Wal-Mart stores in China contained the DNA of foxes. The company was forced to recall the meat, which came from a local supplier."
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Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:26 pm quote
Damn fox eating donkeys!
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Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:15 pm quote
Motovista wrote:
"A separate investigation earlier this year found that the donkey meat sold at some Wal-Mart stores in China contained the DNA of foxes. The company was forced to recall the meat, which came from a local supplier."
Well, that could never happen in America! When we buy donkey meat at the Wal-Mart here, we can be sure that they haven't slipped any fox meat into it. (I think)
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Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:45 pm quote
Dooglas wrote:
Motovista wrote:
"A separate investigation earlier this year found that the donkey meat sold at some Wal-Mart stores in China contained the DNA of foxes. The company was forced to recall the meat, which came from a local supplier."
Well, that could never happen in America! When we buy donkey meat at the Wal-Mart here, we can be sure that they haven't slipped any fox meat into it. (I think)
You're probably right; more likely we'd get horse meat.
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Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:05 am quote
New Bike
Well, I took the plunge. I bought this bike this weekend :



After much research, I realized that I want a reliable bike. I'm not afraid of working on a bike, but I want to ride more than I wrench. This is a '79 P200E. The owner has used it for a daily driver for nearly ten years. It has ridden across Michigan and Wisconsin. He said it is a workhorse. I looked at it this weekend, and it's dirty, but that kept the price low. It seemed solid. I gave him $1600 for it and he threw in a set of new tires, a Haynes manual and it comes with the BBQ rack.

We are coming to the end of the season here in Michigan, and from what they say it may be another hard winter. I should have plenty of time for running through the bike and making sure it is road ready for the spring. It has very little wrong with it, and it ran like a champ.

I'm excited.
Molto Verboso
BV200, P200E (2),V90 and now a Big Ruckus
Joined: 07 Aug 2010
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Location: Mims, Florida USA
Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:14 am quote
You did quite well there !
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1965 Sears Allstate, 2013 GTS 300 Super i.e.
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Location: Bay City, MI
Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:15 am quote
Nice ride. Well done.
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1979 P200E (sold) / ZNEN Amore 150 / Genuine Buddy 170i / Genuine Stella 4T / 2009 Aprilia Sportcity One 50
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Posts: 688
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:01 am quote
Thanks. I owe a lot to the group here at MV teaching me what NOT to buy.

I forgot to mention, he has a Sito Plus pipe (and up jetted), and Sebac shocks. None of it new, but good upgrades, nonetheless.
Hooked
2012 Stella
Joined: 03 Aug 2013
Posts: 366
Location: Marysville, CA
Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:51 am quote
Motovista wrote:
EvilNerdLord wrote:
look familiar?



it's the honda Joker, the original all the Chinese knock off's are based on...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Joker

http://hondajoker.wordpress.com/honda_joker/
Best of all, it was a 50 or 90cc 2 Stroke.
except we never got them in the states, so most folks have only seen them as knock-offs....pity, I actually like the style and add to that honda's build quality and reliability...I'd get one.
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