PX200 with Sidecar
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ET4-150 GTS250ie PX200 with Cozy Sidecar
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Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:25 pm quote
dogsled wrote:
Great sidecar project! Looks very nice. I have a Stella with a sidecar that I am tweaking and fixing. Where does one get the rubber parts for the Vespa?
I have looked at quite a few parts outlets and have not found the little rubber pieces for the mirrors?
thanks
Hi Dogsled:

Thanks for the comments.

Vespa Scooter parts are available world wide.
A Google search will yield lots of hits for Vespa parts or you can do as I do and try to support your local Vespa dealers with parts orders.

My first source is Pittsburgh Vespa.
Which is the BMW motorcycle dealer and other European bike manufactures as well. http://www.bmwpgh.com/

To name a few others I have used for older PX items.
Scooter Works http://www.scooterworks.com/
Scooter West http://www.scooterwest.com/
Scooter Parts Direct http://www.scooterpartsdirect.com/

What make sidecar do you have?
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Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:21 am quote
Looks great
Looks great
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Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:26 pm quote
I just rebuild a scooterworks sidecar and I was able to drop 87lbs off of it made a new frame to hold the sidecar and a tow on the sidecar wheel thats much better to ajust , the new sidecars have that Hydraulic damper thing not sure how good it is ??? from cozy

I was also able to make the scoot sit up and its as fast as it was without the sidecar I also added real bearings to the sidecar wheel that was one on the best improvements I will post the plans when I get time

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Sun May 24, 2009 5:13 pm quote
Re: PX200 with Sidecar
ExonicJay wrote:
I just installed a Cozy Sidecar on my 2006 PX200.
Still working on fine tuning the geometry. (toe in and lean out)





Would really like to change the sidecar upholstery to match the scooter


I used a hydraulic damper instead of the Cozy supplied friction damper. It works very well. No shimmy at all.

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Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:21 pm quote
I need your help on mounting the tied rod end to my vespa VB
Hello friend,

My name is David, from Los Angeles, CA.

I just bought a Vespa VBB with a sidecar. It ride very bad. Because of the steering wobles and shakes so much. I saw your Hydraulic steering damper project and asking your experty help. Any suggestion where to drill the hole for mounting the tied rod end ( steering hydraulic stabilizer ) on my Vespa VBB-150. If I decide to do your set-up.

Thanks
David Trinh
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ET4-150 GTS250ie PX200 with Cozy Sidecar
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Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:40 pm quote
Hi David:

I am not familiar with the front wheel geometry on your scooter.
Maybe a picture of your front wheel assembly would help.
However, any point on the front wheel assembly that has radial movement
can be damped with a hydraulic damper.
Also, many scooters with side cars use a friction type damper on the steering column.
Here is a link to a website that has a picture of the friction damper.

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~gbh/VespaSidecar/

However, the hydraulic damper is much more effective in my opinion.
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Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:55 pm quote
I need your help on mounting the tied rod end to my vespa VB
What about drilling holes to the front fender ????

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picture of the vespa vbb with sidecar

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Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:09 pm quote
I need help
I will try to get you a close-up of the front wheel picture tonight.

Thank-you so much for your quick responsed.

I bought the Vespa with Sidecar from a Restoration company out in Tennesse name of the co. is ModScooters.com

You don't mind if I can get your phone number so I can have better communication. My email : dtrinh@sjm.com

Thanks again,
David
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ET4-150 GTS250ie PX200 with Cozy Sidecar
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Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:12 pm quote
Nice Rig!

I don't believe the fender will be rigid enough.
Unfortunately, the photo doesn't show the suspension side of your front wheel.
But, it looks very similar to my PX 200.
The thread shows the bracket I made to mount the damper to the front wheel assembly.
Maybe another picture of the other side of the front wheel will show any difference from the PX 200 wheel assembly.
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Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:20 am quote
Px of thailand
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Mon May 09, 2011 5:24 am quote
hello from greece..my name is george and before 5days i bought my first vespa.''she''is a p200e old woman....i am begginer and i am thinking to paint it..can you help me?i suprised with vespa in this topic.ca nyou tell me please which code of colour is it?thank you a lot
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ET4-150 GTS250ie PX200 with Cozy Sidecar
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Mon May 09, 2011 11:55 pm quote
georot1981 wrote:
hello from greece..my name is george and before 5days i bought my first vespa.''she''is a p200e old woman....i am begginer and i am thinking to paint it..can you help me?i suprised with vespa in this topic.ca nyou tell me please which code of colour is it?thank you a lot
Hi George:

I painted my side car to match the 2006 PX200 Tan color.

I had the PX200 color computer analyzed.
The computer picked Deletion 2000 PPG, DBC26459 Khaki.

Also, check Vespa Online Color Picker. Pantone 7051C
http://vespaguide.com/cms/?p=384

Good luck with the paint job.
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ET4-150 GTS250ie PX200 with Cozy Sidecar
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Tue May 10, 2011 12:33 am quote
I finally finished my sidecar upholstering to match the PX200 tan saddle.
I am pleased with the upholstery color match and I think it looks way better now with the tan sidecar seat.

Also put a wind screen on the PX200.

Now, on to mounting the Air Soft machine gun onto the sidecar.



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Mon May 16, 2011 9:20 am quote
Couldn't Resist - Sorry :)
Made in England

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ET4-150 GTS250ie PX200 with Cozy Sidecar
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Mon May 16, 2011 11:51 am quote
Re: Couldn't Resist - Sorry :)
MJB wrote:
Made in England
Cool Rig.
Never saw Fire Equipment like that before.
Must be a UK thing?
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Tue May 17, 2011 8:39 am quote
That is simply a gorgeous set you've got there. I'd love to have a rig like that some day! You need to do some nice glamour shots in a field or a cute little marketplace or something.

Wallace and Gromit!!
Win!!
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Tue May 17, 2011 8:51 pm quote
Parts
You can get the rubber parts here for the mirrors. As well as any vespa shop.
BTW, if anyone needs the bracket for the side car, I had a bunch made. PM me you can have them at cost..
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ET4-150 GTS250ie PX200 with Cozy Sidecar
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Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:46 pm quote
Easy Sidecar Alignment Tool

I had two Fixit Lasers laying around and built a simple jig to assist with alignment of my PX200 and Cozy sidecar.


I use Irwin wood clamps to hold the wood fixture to the sidecar and rear scooter wheel.



With lasers turned on and pointing at the back side of my garage door, I can adjust the scoot/sidecar geometry with ease.



The Fixit Lasers can be bought on eBay for about $7.00 each.

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&biw=1102&bih=774&q=Fixit+Tools+Laser+Level+with+Measuring+Tape&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=7276820860581706533&sa=X&ei=DvQPTtbINOm00AGth6SQDg&ved=0CEAQ8wIwAw#

I used 3/4" MDF (Med Density Board) for making the jigs.

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Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:19 pm quote
And some You Tube vids would be awesome.I love watching these in action,please pretty please.
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Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:22 am quote
Superb !

Have you been in the sidecar whilst moving ? How does it feel ?
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Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:46 am quote
Problem find the right steering damper
Hi jay,

This JC Whitney # 882541 VW STEERING STABILIZER ...... $32.99
doesn,t exist in their system at JC Whitney . Can you help me find this part or do know the right part number. My original steering damper is broken

Thanks

David
ExonicJay wrote:
I have had a lot of inquires about the Hydraulic damper I installed on my 2006 Vespa PX200 and Cozy Sidecar.



Below is a list of parts I used to fit a hydraulic Damper to my Vespa-Cozy Sidecar rig:

1) JC Whitney # 882541 VW STEERING STABILIZER ...... $32.99
http://www.jcwhitney.com/hydraulic-steering-stabilizer/p2006037.jcwx?filterid=d14268y1962j1

2) JC Whitney # 064730 3 Piece Clamp 1 1/4" Chrome Motorcycle .... $8.99
http://www.jcwhitney.com/chrome-plated-heavy-duty-3-piece-bolt-together-clamp/p2006236.jcwx?filterid=j1

3) McMaster-Car #2988K141 Stainless Steel Tie Rod End M10 x 1.50 RH Male Shank ................. $44.56
http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?sesnextrep=18313689214969&partnum=2988K141&pagenum=1126&cad=&psearch=&selectfamily=&search=&pagetype=&catnum=113
or
3a) Pegasus Auto Racing Supplies #3066-M10x1.50-R Stainless Steel Tie Rod End ....... $22.99
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=3066
or
3b) for a less expensive rod end in steel:
McMaster-CarPart Number: 59935K84 Steel Tie Rod End ...... $8.42
http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?sesnextrep=18313689214969&partnum=59935K84&pagenum=1126&cad=&psearch=&selectfamily=&search=&pagetype=&catnum=113
4) Special Bracket:
I made a bracket from 5/32" thick steel plate measuring 55mm x 70mm. The holes for mounting to the Vespa wheel assembly is on 40mm centers and 8.4 mm in diameter. I bent the plate about 30 degrees to allow for the tie rod end mounting. I drilled a 10mm hole in the steel plate for the shank of the tie rod end.

See a quick sketch I drew below:



The only thing I didn't mention was the metric nuts that holds the bracket to the tie rod end shank. They can be purchased at most any hardware store or from McMaster-Car. Get 10mm nut with 1.50 threads/mm.

I used this Hydraulic damper instead of the friction damper that came with the Cozy sidecar. I didn't want to screw up the Scoot's head set should I want to remove the sidecar.

(All links updated July 2, 2011)
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Wed May 25, 2016 4:20 am quote
I need some help please. My Vespa is a 2002 ET4 150. Problem, need mounts to attach a sidecar. Plenty of available sidecars but nobody seem to have the mounting kit. Way to expensive to have one hand made. All suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks, Steve
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Wed May 25, 2016 11:16 am quote
This is really a job well done
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PX 200, GTS 300, LX 150 and PX 125 with Sidecar
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Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:43 am quote
ExonicJay wrote:
I just installed a Cozy Sidecar on my 2006 PX200.
Still working on fine tuning the geometry. (toe in and lean out)





Would really like to change the sidecar upholstery to match the scooter


I used a hydraulic damper instead of the Cozy supplied friction damper. It works very well. No shimmy at all.

Your nice job was an inspiration to complet my project, thank you ExonicJay
I share with you and the forum members my sidecar [/img]

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PX 200, GTS 300, LX 150 and PX 125 with Sidecar
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Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:26 am quote
very nice
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Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:14 am quote
Hi All,

Sorry to dig up an old thread but this one has been helpful in getting my VW steering damper on my 2006 Bajaj Chetak. It made a huge difference in eliminating low speed wobble. I ended up having to mount it on the front tube with a longer bolt as seen here:


I do have a question though on those that have installed this sidecar on their vespa PX150 or similar. Are you able to "slide" the sidecar further away using the main tube that you twist for toe adjustment? Is there a spec'd distance for that? I purchased my bajaj with the sidecar already installed and it feels very close to the scooter and they had to bash the engine cover in so that the crossbar that attached to the underseat bracket would reach. I know it isn't necessarily apples to applies but figured I'd ask. I reached out to scooterworks usa and they said they don't know anything about mounting the sidecar to a Bajaj.
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