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@jakester Out of interest, how is your 24/24e jetted? I use the Pinasco VRX venturi on a BGM Faster Flow 24/24e on my Pinasco 225, but I've never really figured out the carb jetting. Cheers.
Shit man I don't recall was done at the local garage. I can tell you for sure it was only the main jet that was changed out and I definately had to drop down a bit from the malossi as it ran like shit. Think it's around 130 or maybe a bit less 128 or 126. Plug chop and make sure it's a bit chocolatey 👍
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Did you change out your gearing to run the bigger wheels jakester?

Also let's see them in a big pic?
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Jakester I think your main must be at least 140 if you are using the Polini venturi. SCK told me to use bigger than 150 with my 225 and Pinasco venturi, but I think they may be just guessing.
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Did you change out your gearing to run the bigger wheels jakester?

Also let's see them in a big pic?
Only change is T5 4th gear. The standard gearbox is actually very well suited to the kit. Pinasco is not revvy and with the the 60mm it's pretty grunty
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@jakester I think your main must be at least 140 if you are using the Polini venturi. SCK told me to use bigger than 150 with my 225 and Pinasco venturi, but I think they may be just guessing.
If I remember correctly the malossi was 140 so pinasco is a bit down from there. I think at 140 your plug will be piss wet. Pull it and take a gander
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120kph 75mph this morning flat out on flat road with my 225 pinasco today. That's why you should use gps. Specs - 225 pinasco 60mm crank, 60mm sip head, sip road 2 modified exhaust, standard 24 carb with pinasco large air box and polini Venturi and filter jetted to suit mods. 12" wheels
wow, 1mph shy of my 132cc smallframe
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wow, 1mph shy of my 132cc smallframe[/quote]

Yeah pinasco's are for torque not for revs. Can't wait to get the malossi back on. I'm predicting 130-135 with that bad lad. I'm sure your smallie will be screaming it tits off at that speed whereas the pinasco is cruising. That's why people get them as tourers. In my opinion though the pinasco is a pile of shit
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nope, the smallie can (and has) done that speed all day long day after day.

What most people call "Torque" is really a wide power band, and that does not have to be mutually exclusive of power. Torque is power/rpm and since there is a gear box you can change the gearing to get any torque you want at the rear wheel, but you have to have the power and you have to have a wide enough power band to cover the dips between the gears.
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So... Just purchased a 244 Quattrini. Its in the post from Germany. Will be porting it before its fitted. Lets see how it compares to my 225 Malossi
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So... Just purchased a 244 Quattrini. Its in the post from Germany. Will be porting it before its fitted. Lets see how it compares to my 225 Malossi
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I find surprisingly little on the Internet about the M232/M244 apart from advertisements. Good thing to order it so I didn't have to (yet).

I seem to waste a lot of money in getting where I want but I guess it's quite common.

There's a saying: buy expensive and cry once.

(Cold coffee and hot women save time is another.)

'Ave a nice dye!
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Quattrini M244, 60mm crank & BGM superstrong. Just arrived - pre porting work
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Nice. Put up some pics when you are preparing the case for the crank.
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Wowzers, look at that square exhaust port!! Problem on 200 cylinders is stud location which prevents wide port employment, so you kinda have to reduce top corner radius in order to gain port area. But this is really pushing ring reliability.
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Wow what a difference from Malossi to Quattrini 244.

Quattrini has fat torque all the way from 0 revs whereas you needed to wind the malossi up quite a bit before it went. There is a lot more BHP all the way through the rev range also. Quattrini is definately producing more power. Its so much easier to blast away from the lights without revving the tits of it and it quickly gets up to top speed in 4th. So much nicer to ride. Don't have a dyno here in Singapore but Id estimate a good 20% more power over malossi and a damn site more torque. I'm very happy I made the change.

By the way 2 caveats.
1) You will need to machine your case to fit the quattrini crank in as its wider than standard.

2) You cannot use the starter ring gear on your flywheel as it fouls the cylinder and in my case ate right through it and caused small holes.

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Sounds impressive! What intake do you have on that? And where did you need to machine the case for the crank?
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I wasn't there when my mech discovered the issue but he said the part I marked in red is wider than a normal crank see pic
I'm still using the standard 24/24 with a 155main jet for now (pending checking and changing - its only day 1)
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I assumed from the picture that it was a full circle crank.
You're sticking with autolube? Do you think it will be adequate?
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The autolube is working well and I also top up just under 2% in the tank.
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Cases look pretty tidy are they malossi or similar repro?
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Here is a link to pictures of a German 244-build. Really nice way of milling the case for the crank.

http://s1354.photobucket.com/user/T5Projekt/library/m%20244%20ds?sort=3&page=1
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NOS px200 from my mech. I now have 2 almost complete engines. So any major work can be done off the scoot.
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Here is a link to pictures of a German 244-build. Really nice way of milling the case for the crank.

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That is nice! I wonder if you could use a similar method to do a welded rotary pad?

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Here is a link to pictures of a German 244-build. Really nice way of milling the case for the crank.

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That is nice! I wonder if you could use a similar method to do a welded rotary pad?

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Stuff the pad I don't know why the OP is still using an si carb.
Why don't you ask politely instead of implying he's doing something wrong?

I'd guess that about 50% of the M232/M244 builders on GSF are using SI-carbs with box-exhaust. It works, it's cheaper, it's bolt on. It retains autolube. It looks original.

Then there are those going in other directions but in my opinion everyone is entiteled to go his own way as long as it hurts noone else.
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Stuff the pad I don't know why the OP is still using an si carb.
Why don't you ask politely instead of implying he's doing something wrong?

I'd guess that about 50% of the M232/M244 builders on GSF are using SI-carbs with box-exhaust. It works, it's cheaper, it's bolt on. It retains autolube. It looks original.

Then there are those going in other directions but in my opinion everyone is entiteled to go his own way as long as it hurts noone else.
>>>>>>>

I'm happy to move to a reed valve if it helps with my goals. 1) top speed 80mph (already achieved) 2) reliable 3) get to 80mph as quick as possible

I'm not sure however that changing induction and carb is going to help me get to 80 much quicker than I already do.
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Vespoholic wrote:
Here is a link to pictures of a German 244-build. Really nice way of milling the case for the crank.

http://s1354.photobucket.com/user/T5Projekt/library/m%20244%20ds?sort=3&page=1
That is nice! I wonder if you could use a similar method to do a welded rotary pad?

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For the money strapped, maybe JB weld, Dremel, and Dremel circle cutter could equal a cheap rotary pad repair?
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Stuff the pad I don't know why the OP is still using an si carb.
Why don't you ask politely instead of implying he's doing something wrong?

I'd guess that about 50% of the M232/M244 builders on GSF are using SI-carbs with box-exhaust. It works, it's cheaper, it's bolt on. It retains autolube. It looks original.

Then there are those going in other directions but in my opinion everyone is entiteled to go his own way as long as it hurts noone else.
>>>>>>>

I'm happy to move to a reed valve if it helps with my goals. 1) top speed 80mph (already achieved) 2) reliable 3) get to 80mph as quick as possible

I'm not sure however that changing induction and carb is going to help me get to 80 much quicker than I already do.
There is that new Pinasco 30/30 SI carb to lure you.... Razz emoticon

Also I think you could do better with the BB Sport -

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Has any ever tried to rig up auto lube for a Japanese side draft carb, many come with provisions for it. It would require an external metered oil pump, though.
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There is that new Pinasco 30/30 SI carb to lure you.... Razz emoticon

Also I think you could do better with the BB Sport [/quote]

Cheers el grincho, as it happens I already had my eye on a BB pro sport. It has been recommended by friends over here. Just picked up a very slightly used one today. Hardly even got any dirt on it. Fitting tomorrow 👍
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There is that new Pinasco 30/30 SI carb to lure you.... Razz emoticon

Also I think you could do better with the BB Sport
Cheers el grincho, as it happens I already had my eye on a BB pro sport. It has been recommended by friends over here. Just picked up a very slightly used one today. Hardly even got any dirt on it. Fitting tomorrow 👍[/quote]

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There is that new Pinasco 30/30 SI carb to lure you.... Razz emoticon

Also I think you could do better with the BB Sport
Gich/ all. The BSG sport is massively restrictive compared to my hand modified sip road 2. I'm going back to the garage tomorrow to drop off the exhaust for modification. Very surprised at how much it's changed the performance of my scoot. Anyway will report back after its internally fixed. It's a lot quieter than my last box exhaust and now I know why.
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You can't leave it at just that! Tell us more... what was the difference? What had you done to the SIP road?
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You can't leave it at just that! Tell us more... what was the difference? What had you done to the SIP road?
I asked my mech and he said that they open up the outlets inside much more. I will try to get pics of the modification on the BGM so you can see what they do to it.
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So how did the scooter go with the BBS? Not very well obviously, but in what way? I would have thought that was an excellent match.
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You can't leave it at just that! Tell us more... what was the difference? What had you done to the SIP road?
I asked my mech and he said that they open up the outlets inside much more. I will try to get pics of the modification on the BGM so you can see what they do to it.
Megadella are taking that sort of thing to an extreme.
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So how did the scooter go with the BBS? Not very well obviously, but in what way? I would have thought that was an excellent match.
Yeah not so great. It felt pretty choked. As I said I will be taking the BGM in tonight to get worked on. Will put the modified sip back on. Hopefully this is the only issue as right now top speed is 120kph on the GPS. Acceleration is great at the bottom not higher in the revs. Maybe still needs some dialing in after the exhaust change. Wish there was a bike dyno in this country.
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Wish there was a bike dyno in this country.
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So how did the scooter go with the BBS? Not very well obviously, but in what way? I would have thought that was an excellent match.
Yeah not so great. It felt pretty choked. As I said I will be taking the BGM in tonight to get worked on. Will put the modified sip back on. Hopefully this is the only issue as right now top speed is 120kph on the GPS. Acceleration is great at the bottom not higher in the revs. Maybe still needs some dialing in after the exhaust change. Wish there was a bike dyno in this country.
Maybe the M244 is too low down in revs for the BBS. Looking at the graphs above the BBS beats the Sip Road after ~7200 RPM where I think a std M244 has done its best.

On GSF you can read about all kinds of modifications. 64 mm cranks, or using the 60 mm Quattrini crank with the M232 with spacers just like "we" do with Malossi and others.

If your setup pulls like a train you could consider regearing some. Are you running std gearbox with those 12-inches?

Not that I'd be unpleased with 120 kph as long as it is against the wind.
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[quote= Maybe the M244 is too low down in revs for the BBS. Looking at the graphs above the BBS beats the Sip Road after ~7200 RPM where I think a std M244 has done its best.

On GSF you can read about all kinds of modifications. 64 mm cranks, or using the 60 mm Quattrini crank with the M232 with spacers just like "we" do with Malossi and others.

If your setup pulls like a train you could consider regearing some. Are you running std gearbox with those 12-inches?

Not that I'd be unpleased with 120 kph as long as it is against the wind.[/quote]

Yeah it may be that its revved out. Its not revving too high today made worse by the BGM. It makes its power totally differently from Malossi that is for sure. I will be happy with 130kph and the same acceleration. Swapping back to modded SIP tonight but wont really get a chance to thrash it till probably Monday. I travel to work early in the morning and the roads are quiet enough to thrash up to full speed. 2 other guys that I know who get their maintenance done at the same garage as me are hitting 140+ with 232. I have 244. My gearing is 23 66 right now and I think once the exhaust is sorted will hit 130. Might need to change the timing a bit who knows. Without a dyno its a bit guessy
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