What's new in scooters and retro motorcycles?
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Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:50 am quote
Y'all,

It's been awhile since I've hung out here. My wife's LX150 has sat in the garage without being started for over a year now. Same for my Bajaj Chetak. They both need to make a visit to Motorsport Scooters soon. We've both busy and our attention has been focused on other things the past few years. I miss being out on the road and am curious to know what's new out there in small retro motorcycles and scooters.

I'd like to keep shifting and looking retro. The Yamaha SR400 looks cool. I could see myself riding one of the newer Royal Enfields. Same for the new Moto Guzzi V7ii and the new Ducati Scrambler. Are they still making the 4t Stella four-speed? Anything else that I should look at? Any of these have tubeless tires? Any opinions on the above mentioned rides?
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Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:17 am quote
perhaps a janus??
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Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:38 am quote
Not sure if the Stella 4T is still being imported, but they are still being sold. Existing stock, perhaps? That's it for manual shift scooters.
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Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:48 am quote
ritchey wrote:
perhaps a janus??
Yup...I love the Janus retro.


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Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:47 am quote
Janus motorcycles are oh so retro looking! A bit on the expensive side for a 250cc but hey, Vespas are a bit expensive too! Ah, a woman can dream and my dream is a garage full of shiney objects!
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Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:13 pm quote
You want retro>? Get a Ural. They are not really retro, they are just made the same way they have always been made, in the same place with the same people since 1942 or so. Besides that no plastic crap other than the DOT lamps
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Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:14 pm quote
Also check out Cleveland Cyclewerks. they have a couple of nice looking models...

http://www.clevelandcyclewerks.com/ccwbikes-1/
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Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:45 pm quote
CrazyCarl wrote:
Also check out Cleveland Cyclewerks. they have a couple of nice looking models...

http://www.clevelandcyclewerks.com/ccwbikes-1/
Wins the award for the worst website ever.

Absolutely no information.

None.

Why bother?

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Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:46 am quote
I just discovered the Honda Grom yesterday. Not very retro but that thing looks like fun. One of the things that I love about scootering is that it's fun to ride even going relatively slow. I worry about losing that by going with a bigger bike like the Moto Guzzi V7ii or the Ducati Scrambler. It was for this reason, I think, that I didn't enjoy my test rides on a few Triumph Bonnevilles as much as I thought I would. I'm very interested in test riding a Grom locally.

I also wouldn't mind test riding a Suzuki TU250X but it looks like they aren't available in SoCal. The Yamaha SR400 looks awesome but perhaps a little overpriced.

Thanks for some of the other recommendations. The Janus looks great but for that price I'd really have to consider the Ducati Scrambler.

The Cleveland Cycleworks Ace really looks great! 250cc, retro styling, 300lbs wet, and around $3,300.00 sounds good to me. Has anyone ridden one? Are these Chinese? Are they legal in California? They look similar to the Mash motorcycles I've seen elsewhere.
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Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:55 am quote
Damn you, CrazyCarl, for sending me down that rabbit hole! I would think that the Ace would be really popular here in California but I don't see any CA dealers listed on their webpage. Now, I really want one!
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Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:53 am quote
A Moto Guzzi V7 II is next on my list (probably a Stone, which I can then turn into a cafe racer, though I really do love the V7 Racer with the chrome or green tank).
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Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:45 am quote
Re: What's new in scooters and retro motorcycles?
Scotter wrote:
... looking retro. The Yamaha SR400 looks cool....
The SR400 is not "retro." The SR500 was marketed in the U.S. 1978-1981. The SR400 was first made in Japan in 1978 and has been produced since. It is not "retro", it is just back in the U.S.. Which is why it doesn't have a self-starter.
Another "retro" that is actually a dinosaur is the Suzuki S40, which was first produced in 1986 as the Savage. I still miss my Savage.
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Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:09 pm quote
I considered and took a long test ride on the Honda grom (msx in the UK) before I bought another GTS.
It was fun and rode like a scooter with the small wheels.
I am however glad I didn't buy it as every time I see someone on one I can't help but think how ridiculous they look balanced on a tiny clowns bike.
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Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:11 pm quote
Paladin wrote:
Another "retro" that is actually a dinosaur is the Suzuki S40, which was first produced in 1986 as the Savage. I still miss my Savage.
A heck of a lot of bike for the money!
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Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:57 pm quote
Honda CB1100
Honda really nailed the retro design. Inline-4 power and smoothness. Honda quality through and through. They didn't cut any corners with this one. A bit expensive new. Used ones with just a few hundred miles are a bargain.

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Fri Sep 04, 2015 7:35 pm quote
George_S54 wrote:
Honda CB1100
Yes! I definitely like the look. Reminds me of my 305 Super Hawk or my CB350.
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Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:12 am quote
There is the SYM Wolf, which is CA approved.

http://www.alliancepowersports.com/models/wolf_specs.htm

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Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:23 am quote
Dooglas wrote:
George_S54 wrote:
Honda CB1100
Yes! I definitely like the look. Reminds me of my 305 Super Hawk or my CB350.
Great call. I had a Super Hawk my senior year in high school. Super bike! I've often thought of getting one of the retro 1000cc fours.
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Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:00 pm quote
There are a lot of really nice vintage bikes available on Craig's List. Have you thought about buying something old rather than a new copy of something old? You'll get a lot more bike for a lot less money.

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Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:22 pm quote
Scotter wrote:
The Yamaha SR400 looks awesome but perhaps a little overpriced.
You may have a point there. The Suzuki S40 is a 650, has electric start, and new it is $500 less.
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:55 am quote
do not know have you seen new Peugeot Django series of scooters!

absolutely awesome and will be quite competition to Vespas

peugeot-django-goes-50cc-still-retro-sweet-photo-gallery-97146_1.jpg

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Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:31 pm quote
PreddyBaer wrote:
do not know have you seen new Peugeot Django series of scooters!
The OP is based in San Diego. That probably means he has never seen a Peugeot Django and likely never will. On the other hand, it certainly is a stylish looking scooter!
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Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:43 pm quote
Wow, love the Janus. Are they partially made in China? $8.300.00
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Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:42 pm quote
Dooglas wrote:
PreddyBaer wrote:
do not know have you seen new Peugeot Django series of scooters!
The OP is based in San Diego. That probably means he has never seen a Peugeot Django and likely never will. On the other hand, it certainly is a stylish looking scooter!
well, might be a business opportunity for someone here

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Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:35 am quote
Claude wrote:
Wow, love the Janus. Are they partially made in China? $8.300.00
As I understand it. The bike is using components made locally in Indiana. Except wheels are higher grade Honda MX aluminum with stainless. Engine is Honda "derivative", what ever that means.
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Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:47 am quote
Hi Scooter,
take a look at the new Yamaha XSR700 due out in Nov 2015, no price confirmed yet

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Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:10 am quote
Y'all,

Thanks for all the replies so far. I wasn't aware of XSR700 either. It looks comparable to the new BMW R Nine T.

The wife and I stopped by Motorsport Scooters on Saturday to look over the inventory and make an appointment to have our bikes serviced. We're both are really looking forward to getting back on our respective rides. If I were to get something new it sure would be great to stay with Motorsport for service. I'm amazed that Kevin could remember our names when neither of us have set foot in the place in over a year! Unfortunately, it looks like they have sold all of the new 4t Stella Shiftys.

Both of us are interested in test riding the Sym Wolf Classic 150 and hope to check them out sometime today or tomorrow. Btw, the Sym SB300 looks really cool. Is that one ever coming to the U.S.? They make a Cafe Racer version as well.

Out of all of the bikes mentioned, I love the looks and the size of the Cleveland Cyclewerks Ace the most. I like the looks of the Mash "Seventy Five" (same Chinese bike as the CCW Ace as far as I can tell) even more as it really looks like a small vintage Triumph but it looks like these are available only in Europe. I've done a little research on these bikes and it looks like reviews are mixed. In general, I prefer riding to wrenching and worry that I would just grow weary of always having to fiddle with it. If anyone has any other comments about them then feel free to share. I've yet to call Scott at CCW but I'm considering it. I certainly admire the guy for making a go of it.

Next on my list is the Suzuki TU250X but unfortunately it's not available in California so I'm looking to test ride a Yamaha SR400 as well. It looks retro to me.

Yes, I've looked a bit on Craig's list but everything is either a cruiser or a sportbike. I think I would prefer something smaller, lightweight, and, fun in a "ride a slow bike fast" kind of way.
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Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:42 am quote
I had an 09 Suzuki TU 250 a little over a year. It was a fun bike to ride on back roads . When the SR400 came out , I had to have one. It's a great bike and in my opinion looks a lot better than the TU. I found a dealer who had 2 and sold me one for 1,000 under list price. Deals can be had. It is kickstart only but not that hard to start. I love my SR400.
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Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:52 am quote
suthernvespa wrote:
I had an 09 Suzuki TU 250 a little over a year. It was a fun bike to ride on back roads . When the SR400 came out , I had to have one. It's a great bike and in my opinion looks a lot better than the TU. I found a dealer who had 2 and sold me one for 1,000 under list price. Deals can be had. It is kickstart only but not that hard to start. I love my SR400.
Thanks for sharing. I don't mind kickstart as I've had to use it on my Bajaj many a time. As previously mentioned, my wife has her own Vespa LX150 and we enjoy riding together. Typical riding speeds are in the 30 to 50 mph zone. Would I enjoy riding the TU250 or the SR400 at these speeds as much as my scooter?
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Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:06 pm quote
Scotter wrote:
suthernvespa wrote:
I had an 09 Suzuki TU 250 a little over a year. It was a fun bike to ride on back roads . When the SR400 came out , I had to have one. It's a great bike and in my opinion looks a lot better than the TU. I found a dealer who had 2 and sold me one for 1,000 under list price. Deals can be had. It is kickstart only but not that hard to start. I love my SR400.
Thanks for sharing. I don't mind kickstart as I've had to use it on my Bajaj many a time. As previously mentioned, my wife has her own Vespa LX150 and we enjoy riding together. Typical riding speeds are in the 30 to 50 mph zone. Would I enjoy riding the TU250 or the SR400 at these speeds as much as my scooter?
The reviews of the SR400 say it vibrates a bit at 60MPH. When I put 60,000 miles on my SR500, if I was on a hill, let it coast some, kick it in 2nd, drop the clutch, and away we go. Kicking it over wasn't a big deal, but hey, work smart not hard If the 400 is anything like the 500, the motor will last longer than the rest of the bike.
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Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:32 pm quote
I am actually interested in the Ural CT; been waiting for the reliability to at least get respectable with these bikes
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Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:21 pm quote
Scotter wrote:
suthernvespa wrote:
I had an 09 Suzuki TU 250 a little over a year. It was a fun bike to ride on back roads . When the SR400 came out , I had to have one. It's a great bike and in my opinion looks a lot better than the TU. I found a dealer who had 2 and sold me one for 1,000 under list price. Deals can be had. It is kickstart only but not that hard to start. I love my SR400.
Thanks for sharing. I don't mind kickstart as I've had to use it on my Bajaj many a time. As previously mentioned, my wife has her own Vespa LX150 and we enjoy riding together. Typical riding speeds are in the 30 to 50 mph zone. Would I enjoy riding the TU250 or the SR400 at these speeds as much as my scooter?
At those riding speeds, either one would be fun to ride. The TU might not be an option for you in CA. They both get a little vibration above 60 but I usually ride back mountain roads at the speeds you mentioned so it's not a big deal. They are both great at curvy roads. Neither one is a great interstate bike. It's a little meaner to kick over than your Baja would have been. It has a compression release and a small window on the engine to show you Top dead center.Usually fires up in 1 to 2 kicks.
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Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:29 pm quote
Javakid wrote:
I am actually interested in the Ural CT; been waiting for the reliability to at least get respectable with these bikes
Well, then you overshot your target. Virtually every component of the bike has been upgraded in recent years. Herzog gears, Denso electrics, Brembo disk brakes all around, powdercoat paint, alloy rims, etc, etc, etc. Of course that raised the price about double from the days of all Russian components, but there is no reason to fault Ural quality these days. The only criticism of the Ural is that it is heavy and not very powerful, so you can only do so much with it on the highway.
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Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:47 pm quote
I looked at a new Ural just before I bought my new GTV at the beginning of August, and it was pretty crude. Gave me the impression that it was built with an axe but most of my bikes over the last 30 years have been BMW's. OTOH, it appeared to be substantial and reports are that they are far more reliable than earlier models. And way, way cheaper than a Beemer. Probably a good value if you can get past the fit & finish.
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Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:10 pm quote
granpita wrote:
most of my bikes over the last 30 years have been BMW's.
The Ural is about as close as the Russians could come to the direct copy of the R75 OHV BMW, just as the earlier Soviet military bikes were a piece by piece copy of the R72 side valve.
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Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:58 pm quote
suthernvespa wrote:
... The TU might not be an option for you in CA....
It can be done. VC has an exception. You ride to Arizona, destroy your bike, and you can ride and register a non-Californian bike.
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Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:55 pm quote
Dooglas wrote:
granpita wrote:
most of my bikes over the last 30 years have been BMW's.
The Ural is about as close as the Russians could come to the direct copy of the R75 OHV BMW, just as the earlier Soviet military bikes were a piece by piece copy of the R72 side valve.
Nice history lesson. Thanks. I'll have to delve deeper.
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Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:21 am quote
Look what someone did with the new SR400!

http://www.bikeexif.com/yamaha-sr400-usa



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