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Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:12 pm quote
Claude wrote:
Genuine G400c teaser.
Genuine Scooters says the MSRP for the G400c will be $4,599. At that price I suspect they will have a lot of interested folks.

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Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:47 pm quote
Dooglas wrote:
Claude wrote:
Genuine G400c teaser.
Genuine Scooters says the MSRP for the G400c will be $4,599. At that price I suspect they will have a lot of interested folks.
The Sym Wolf 300i is now available in America through Alliance Powersports. It's nice but a little heavy. SYM also has some notorious issues with dealer support. Maybe Alliance will sort it out?

http://www.sym-global.com/product/index/298/83

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=LWCCZdXYkWE
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:46 am quote
Dooglas wrote:
Claude wrote:
Genuine G400c teaser.
Genuine Scooters says the MSRP for the G400c will be $4,599. At that price I suspect they will have a lot of interested folks.
Mash, which I believe is also the same bike (minus cosmetic differences?) been now sold here this season....not yet seen one on the road. It too is affordable and local reviews state it's an OK basic ride, but it is not selling - pricing still too close to "quality" brand basic bikes around here?
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Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:19 am quote
Have you seen the new 2019 Honda Monkey? Retro-styled Grom platform goodness!



https://powersports.honda.com/2019/monkey.aspx

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Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:07 am quote
drewteague wrote:
Have you seen the new 2019 Honda Monkey? Retro-styled Grom platform goodness!



https://powersports.honda.com/2019/monkey.aspx

Yup, seen those already on the road around here. What takes you by surprise when you see one live is how large they are - really quite something different than the old Monkeys.
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Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:00 am quote
The G400c is now up on the Genuine website. I understand dealers will start receiving them in November (i.e. soon ).

http://www.genuinescooters.com/g400c.html
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Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:50 am quote
Saw someone ride past me in central London the other day on a Ducati Scrambler. Me likes.

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Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:28 am quote
johnymoore wrote:
Saw someone ride past me in central London the other day on a Ducati Scrambler. Me likes.
Looks like it might be more fun to ride one in Northern Italy.
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Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:43 am quote
Dooglas wrote:
johnymoore wrote:
Saw someone ride past me in central London the other day on a Ducati Scrambler. Me likes.
Looks like it might be more fun to ride one in Northern Italy.
True dat. Although maybe the kidz will start doing snatch and grab on these instead of our scooters Well if they learnt to change gear.
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Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:30 pm quote
The YM scoop indicator is high on this one. That's almost a full scoop and I assume that's good?

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Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:46 am quote
Biggah mo bettah
..and who is thinking so? Apparently most of the Triumph fans, according to RAT discussion.

So now you can turn your harmless toddling into
serious fun, or something like that.

Meet Triumph Street Scrambler 1200cc

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The budget version.

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Te serious fun version. You can tell from the golden forks at the front.

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Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:55 am quote
Re: Biggah mo bettah
RRider wrote:
..and who is thinking so? Apparently most of the Triumph fans, according to RAT discussion.

So now you can turn your harmless toddling into
serious fun, or something like that.

Meet Triumph Street Scrambler 1200cc
Good gawd!

And here I was hoping they'd follow Ducati's (or Royal Enfield's) lead and come out with a 400cc scrambler. But then I'm classically destined to be utterly out of touch with whatever more people want.

Wonder how Triumph's "Hog Envy" will play out as HD sales continue to decline...?
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Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:29 am quote
Claude wrote:
The YM scoop indicator is high on this one. That's almost a full scoop and I assume that's good?
IMO, Young Machine’s concept drawings are usually cool, but also usually inaccurate.
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Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:44 am quote
Dooglas wrote:
The G400c is now up on the Genuine website. I understand dealers will start receiving them in November (i.e. soon ).

http://www.genuinescooters.com/g400c.html
(I know they're not there yet) but call your local dealer before riding over to see one. I called the Genuine scooter dealer in Delaware and they were quite sure that they will be choosing to NOT carry the G400C.

And w/r/t the Scrambler Ducati- it felt very small when I sat on it.
(I'm 6'0" and not at all overweight)
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Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:59 am quote
Vintage1 wrote:
(I know they're not there yet) but call your local dealer before riding over to see one. I called the Genuine scooter dealer in Delaware and they were quite sure that they will be choosing to NOT carry the G400C.
Isn't the Genuine dealer in Delaware (Rehoboth Beach) a bicycle and small scooter dealer? Not surprising that they don't think a 400cc motorcycle is part of their beachfront strategy. But yes, if you are interesting in seeing a G400c, certainly confirm if and when a dealer in your area may have one available. Very few Genuine dealers are exclusive dealerships. My local Genuine dealer also sells Vespas and Ural motorcycles.
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Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:38 am quote
Dooglas wrote:
Claude wrote:
Genuine G400c teaser.
Genuine Scooters says the MSRP for the G400c will be $4,599. At that price I suspect they will have a lot of interested folks.
I personally am VERY interested in this bike! I have the 300 GTS and it fits all my needs. BUT...I WANT a shifty and would like larger wheels. My wife and I are both from the same hometown about 150 miles away. I envision one of these days road tripping to visit family and friends down there. I KNOW my Vespa can make it but would love to try this bike out and see.
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:18 pm quote
Kawi is back in business
And if they'll have a cafe' , it shouldn't take much to un-cafe it and have a w800 proper available again?

https://m.kawasaki.com/product/details/2019-W800-Cafe?cm_re=VEHICLEDETAILS-_-NFV-_-2019-W800-Cafe
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:34 pm quote
Re: Kawi is back in business
RRider wrote:
And if they'll have a cafe' , it shouldn't take much to un-cafe it and have a w800 proper available again?

https://m.kawasaki.com/product/details/2019-W800-Cafe?cm_re=VEHICLEDETAILS-_-NFV-_-2019-W800-Cafe
Good to see they've put a disc on the back.
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Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:47 pm quote
Re: Kawi is back in business
RRider wrote:
And if they'll have a cafe' , it shouldn't take much to un-cafe it and have a w800 proper available again?

https://m.kawasaki.com/product/details/2019-W800-Cafe?cm_re=VEHICLEDETAILS-_-NFV-_-2019-W800-Cafe
Interesting. Doesn't excite me as much as the Genuine 400cc listed above but when it hits locally, I'd test ride it for sure.
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Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:06 pm quote
Sacto Monkeyboy wrote:
Dooglas wrote:
Claude wrote:
Genuine G400c teaser.
Genuine Scooters says the MSRP for the G400c will be $4,599. At that price I suspect they will have a lot of interested folks.
I personally am VERY interested in this bike! I have the 300 GTS and it fits all my needs. BUT...I WANT a shifty and would like larger wheels. My wife and I are both from the same hometown about 150 miles away. I envision one of these days road tripping to visit family and friends down there. I KNOW my Vespa can make it but would love to try this bike out and see.
I know. It's nice to ride something that handles well at higher speeds.
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Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:07 am quote
Royal Enfield launched a concept bike with retro cues, who knows what might transpire...

https://www.rideapart.com/articles/274894/royal-enfield-unveils-stunning-concept-kx-at-eicma-2018/

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Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:28 am quote
I dig the front forks!
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Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:42 pm quote
Sacto Monkeyboy wrote:
I dig the front forks!
I absolutely love the look of the bike but how do those forks work? do they just stay rigid and force the road to bounce up and down instead? and is it a new engine or something they've brought in? It's a shame with something so pretty that there's no where to store a lock. One tiny improvement would be to have a single spring under the saddle as a nod to the older bikes.
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Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:50 pm quote
Dunno?! I just think they look cool.
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Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:47 pm quote
I love it thx for posting.

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Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:58 pm quote
I'd love to read something about the RE design team -- imho they really just nail the aesthetic vibe of everything they put out...while the Japanese seem to be targeting the transformer generation or sumpin.
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Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:32 pm quote
Takka takka
I don't agree with you on the Royal Enfield front because their designs havn't changed much since 1955 with exception to the above.

Often the term Retro is associated with Royal Enfield but I think it's a misnoma as it suggests that we're going back in time but Royal Enfield has never really ( until very recently ) moved on.

It's been very clever in dressing up a classic design in many different colours and implying its new, where as it's just a lick of paint.

Even the Himalayan looks like a conventional adventure bike.

Radical it is not. Solid but nothing brave.

Even that prototype concept looks like it's stolen much of its profile from Indian.

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Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:58 pm quote
One of the clinical interns at the counseling center where I work rode in today on her "Moto Guzzi racer".

She said that her other bike is one of these:

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BTW, one of my other interns told me she took a helicopter ride recently. Just as I was about to tell her that I've ridden in a helicopter, too, she went on to tell me that she wasn't riding in it - she was piloting it.

Who says therapists aren't macho?
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:23 am quote
Re: Takka takka
Bill Dog wrote:
I don't agree with you on the Royal Enfield front because their designs havn't changed much since 1955 with exception to the above.

Often the term Retro is associated with Royal Enfield but I think it's a misnoma as it suggests that we're going back in time but Royal Enfield has never really ( until very recently ) moved on.

It's been very clever in dressing up a classic design in many different colours and implying its new, where as it's just a lick of paint.

Even the Himalayan looks like a conventional adventure bike.

Radical it is not. Solid but nothing brave.

Even that prototype concept looks like it's stolen much of its profile from Indian.

Bill x
You posted exactly what I was thinking, brother Bill. Dressed up Indian profile was what I saw but couldn't quite put into words.
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:53 am quote
Re: Takka takka
Bill Dog wrote:
I don't agree with you on the Royal Enfield front because their designs havn't changed much since 1955 with exception to the above.

Often the term Retro is associated with Royal Enfield but I think it's a misnoma as it suggests that we're going back in time but Royal Enfield has never really ( until very recently ) moved on.

It's been very clever in dressing up a classic design in many different colours and implying its new, where as it's just a lick of paint.

Even the Himalayan looks like a conventional adventure bike.

Radical it is not. Solid but nothing brave.

Even that prototype concept looks like it's stolen much of its profile from Indian.

Bill x
Unclear to me who you're arguing with here (or why) -- none of us used the terms or concepts "new" "radical" or "brave".

Of course if you are right, that their designs haven't changed since 1955, I'd say that in contrast to most other ptw designers, that's pretty "radical" and "brave"; certainly it's unique, and that's why I find it interesting.

Also, I simply like it. And so I'd like to know more about who's behind it.
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:33 am quote
tdrake wrote:
I'd love to read something about the RE design team -- imho they really just nail the aesthetic vibe of everything they put out...while the Japanese seem to be targeting the transformer generation or sumpin.
Mr Sivakumar has been around quite some time already....but I guess the CEO Lal has a strong impact on the model decisions.

There was a period when a former Ducati design head visited RE....but that did last only about a year (?), and it is quite unclear what impact, if any he actually had there.

The recent models have had external design houses involved too...again, it looks like it's the CEO driving that.
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:38 am quote
RRider wrote:
tdrake wrote:
I'd love to read something about the RE design team -- imho they really just nail the aesthetic vibe of everything they put out...while the Japanese seem to be targeting the transformer generation or sumpin.
Mr Sivakumar has been around quite some time already....but I guess the CEO Lal has a strong impact on the model decisions.

There was a period when a former Ducati design head visited RE....but that did last only about a year (?), and it is quite unclear what impact, if any he actually had there.

The recent models have had external design houses involved too...again, it looks like it's the CEO driving that.
Oh, and as there was an open co-operation with the concept design (above) together with Polaris, there may be a hint of Indian present....
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:20 pm quote
Ive been looking for youtube past couple of days and I must say that the 50cc class is dead.

There used to be lots of moped revealed at EICMA but look at it now? Nothing new except for the electrip vespa.

Shame that one segment goed down the drain. If only they would develop a moderfn 2 stroke fuel injection system. That would boost the sales.
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Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:11 pm quote
lepa wrote:
If only they would develop a moderfn 2 stroke fuel injection system. That would boost the sales.
I had the pleasure of talking with a Royal Enfield guy. He told me that RE, and probably most other manufacturers will not produce a 2-stroke nor air-cooled engine in the future because they can't meet environmental requirements. Evidently, the tolerance they have to allow for thermal expansion in the engine lets too much pollution out the tailpipe. I don't know much about these issues, just passing along what I heard.

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Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:08 am quote
Miguel wrote:
lepa wrote:
If only they would develop a moderfn 2 stroke fuel injection system. That would boost the sales.
I had the pleasure of talking with a Royal Enfield guy. He told me that RE, and probably most other manufacturers will not produce a 2-stroke nor air-cooled engine in the future because they can't meet environmental requirements. Evidently, the tolerance they have to allow for thermal expansion in the engine lets too much pollution out the tailpipe. I don't know much about these issues, just passing along what I heard.

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Miguel
50cc is indeed in the mobilization category that is already going electric....both growing from the bicycle side and the trad. 50cc side.

Doesn't of course mean that all 50ccs disappear just like that, but new development is focused on something else.
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:13 am quote
Miguel wrote:
lepa wrote:
If only they would develop a moderfn 2 stroke fuel injection system. That would boost the sales.
I had the pleasure of talking with a Royal Enfield guy. He told me that RE, and probably most other manufacturers will not produce a 2-stroke nor air-cooled engine in the future because they can't meet environmental requirements. Evidently, the tolerance they have to allow for thermal expansion in the engine lets too much pollution out the tailpipe. I don't know much about these issues, just passing along what I heard.

Best
Miguel
Its not impossible to make a 2-stroke clean and efficient but it does require a turbocharger or supercharger so that you don't have to use crankcase compression ( no oil pollution ), and you can scavenge with clean air before the exhaust port closes. You also have to have direct injection so that fuel is not present before ignition starts. That works best for diesel applications and there are plenty of commercial vehicles using 2-strokes. Possibly a bit too heavy and complicated for a 50cc Vespa though!
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:39 am quote
Alltho KTM has done excellent work with their 2 stroke efi system last couple of years. Hope there lies the answer.

I own a ditech aprilia. That goes for 2l / 100km. Too bad they dumbed that technology.
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Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:50 am quote
Smash
I'm not arguing with anyone I'm just stating the point that it isn't radical because it looks just like an Indian.

It's like they have said how can we make our own version of that bike.

I'm also saying that Royal Enfield have been very shrewd in spending very little money in R and D and "expanded" their range by simply painting the Classic 500 differently.

It's a brilliant labour and cost saving exercise but it's only going to appeal to people who want to remain stationary or go backwards.

I didn't say that anyone had used the terms radical or brave, those are my words.

Bill x

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Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:05 am quote
Re: Smash
Bill Dog wrote:
but it's only going to appeal to people who want to remain stationary or go backwards.

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Have you been to Idaho?

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