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Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:13 am quote
Bill Dog wrote:
Take a look at these babies......


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Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:06 pm quote
As retro as it gets.

https://advrider.com/youre-not-keen-on-all-that-modern-technology/

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Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:46 pm quote
Cross of a wheelbarrow, Conestoga horse-drawn wagon and horse saddle. Legacy products!
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Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:08 pm quote
And did you notice: it's a 312cc, so all in all, kind of an ancestor for a modern vespa?

Beautiful machine, great piece of engineering too!
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:36 pm quote
Well, a bit different kind of retro: BMW R18, rumors being it will make into production.

https://www.visordown.com/news/new-bikes/proof-production-bmw-r18-softail-coming-soon%3famp

That's either the ugliest or among the most beautifull retro cruisers/bobbers, depending a lot whether one likes the look of a very naked boxer engine.

Not retro as a "back to basics bike", nor cheap.... can't help thinking whether this train went already?

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How the heck do you strech your legs on these things? :)

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Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:39 pm quote
RRider wrote:
Well, a bit different kind of retro: BMW R18, rumors being it will make into production.

https://www.visordown.com/news/new-bikes/proof-production-bmw-r18-softail-coming-soon%3famp

That's either the ugliest or among the most beautifull retro cruisers/bobbers, depending a lot whether one likes the look of a very naked boxer engine.

Not retro as a "back to basics bike", nor cheap.... can't help thinking whether this train went already?
Is it just me, or are the cylinders way out of proportion to the rest of the bike?
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:01 pm quote
25BIKEZ wrote:
Is it just me, or are the cylinders way out of proportion to the rest of the bike?
I guess they needed to make a very large bore to get to 1800ccs.
Back a few years BMW said 1200ccs was about the limit for a boxer design since much larger than that, the heads will hit the pavement if you lean it aggressively.

I don't see this making it into production.
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:59 pm quote
The first fully recyclable vehicle.

Or: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6hmerland_(motorcycle)
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Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:07 am quote
English subtitles

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/features/black-douglas-sterling-classic-motorcycle-modern-heart/

On this i see Bill Dog with breeches, plaid socks, a leather jacket and vintage helmet plus motorcycle goggles.
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Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:36 am quote
I think that BMW's quite a nice looking bike apart from those two dustbins sticking out the side. Surely 1800cc is a bit stupid on a motorcycle? Why didn't they just stick with the existing 1200 or, even better, go for a more useful 800cc? If they have to go large on something then why not have a larger sprung saddle seat.
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Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:35 am quote
That BMW is an exercise in style and nothing else, it can't be used safely ...
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Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:56 pm quote
Attila wrote:
That BMW is an exercise in style and nothing else, it can't be used safely ...
It needs a curry hook above each cylinder to keep the food warm.

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Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:34 pm quote
Brave
I think that the BMW looks amazing.

Well done to them for even considering it.

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Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:40 pm quote
Sledge wrote:
https://www.cycleworld.com/kawasaki-prepping-new-w800-model-for-2020/
I've looked at and sat on the 2019 "street" model, not ridden though.

Details, but I've had to admid: the plastic fenders felt bad compared to the shiny cromed ones of the previous model

I did like the other parts and also the wide "beach bar" approach. Hard to say if that feels as good when riding the bike.
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Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:04 pm quote
... to the delight of Bill Dog ...

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Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:51 am quote
Attila wrote:
That BMW is an exercise in style and nothing else, it can't be used safely ...
looks heavy and uncomfortable...hard pass, even if i could afford it and wanted a cruiser...you drop it you're def hitting a case...could probably just put a shield on one of those things and use it as a kickstand...not sure those stupidly located bar levers will even make it to the ground...no gauge cluster to look at so not even sure how you would know how many miles are on it or how fast you're going
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:07 am quote
Such
It's like any bike that you drop, you're going to damage whatever is on either side.

Like any bike with limited ground clearance, you can't exceed it.

I like it because it goes against the grain and that's a really good thing.

I really hope they make it.

Dear BMW, please make it.

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Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:15 am quote
Re: Such
Bill Dog wrote:
It's like any bike that you drop, you're going to damage whatever is on either side.

Like any bike with limited ground clearance, you can't exceed it.

I like it because it goes against the grain and that's a really good thing.

I really hope they make it.

Dear BMW, please make it.

Bill x
true but cheaper and easier to replace a peg or a bar end...if they do make it, i doubt they will sell many...but looks like it will go in a straight line just fine
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:27 am quote
Kick
Look at the amount of Triumph Bobbers out on the road and the Rocket also.

Hundreds.

The V-Rod doesn't go around corners and no one said Boo to that.

I think that people are crying out for this kind of bike just because it doesn't look like anything else.

It has real presence. It has F~~k You written all over it and ever better it comes from BMW who are known for being understated.

It's a good thing that you don't like it, well for me anyway.

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Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:48 am quote
Re: Such
Point37 wrote:
Bill Dog wrote:
It's like any bike that you drop, you're going to damage whatever is on either side.

Like any bike with limited ground clearance, you can't exceed it.

I like it because it goes against the grain and that's a really good thing.

I really hope they make it.

Dear BMW, please make it.

Bill x
true but cheaper and easier to replace a peg or a bar end...if they do make it, i doubt they will sell many...but looks like it will go in a straight line just fine
There's an active thread about the BMW R18 here. They are aiming at, in my opinion, the boulevard cruiser crowd where people routinely spend $20-$50K. I see them all the time in my area and other places like Phoenix, Florida, LA. It will sell. It's not a touring bike (tho I read they plan to add a variant with fairings), off-road or road racer. It's for cruising, being seen and being part of the scene. I'm in agreement with Bill. I like it a lot. It's a great design and mimics quite closely the 1936 BMW R5 (See the other thread above) and, as such, is quite retro and belongs in this thread. Rumor is that it will be released in 2020. No one knows what the final version will look like. The version shown above doesn't comply with road-ready gov regulations.

Best
Miguel
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:59 am quote
Bosh
Yeah I know.

Great isn't it.

I'll never have one but I really want one.

You wouldn't need a personality if you arrived on that would you ?

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Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:07 am quote
Re: Bosh
Bill Dog wrote:
Yeah I know.

Great isn't it.

I'll never have one but I really want one.

You wouldn't need a personality if you arrived on that would you ?

Bill x
Yeah. You'd be know as the guy who has the retro monster BMW and has plenty of money to spend on lifestyle proclivities.

I'd consider getting one but it's just too cold for riding a naked bike along the central California coast.

Miguel
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:52 pm quote
Re: Kick
Bill Dog wrote:
Look at the amount of Triumph Bobbers out on the road and the Rocket also.

Hundreds.

The V-Rod doesn't go around corners and no one said Boo to that.

I think that people are crying out for this kind of bike just because it doesn't look like anything else.

It has real presence. It has F~~k You written all over it and ever better it comes from BMW who are known for being understated.

It's a good thing that you don't like it, well for me anyway.

Bill x
Having ridden a Triumph Bobber (not own, just borrowed) , I'll have to add one thing - it actually also rides quite well. Better than one would ever think based on the looks.

So I have no doupts that BMW beauty/monster will be a decent and even easy thing to ride... which further lowers the barrier to buy one for those who have the money, but are not that keen on the actual riding part.
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Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:09 pm quote
Tart
But how many people will forgive a bikes traits because of the way it looks ?

The Royal Enfield is awful to ride but it gets positive comments everywhere it goes.

It's kind of a trade off.

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Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:55 pm quote
Talking about BMWs:

R Nine T /5 is not a bad go for a retro bike either. Naked, air cooled boxer... and I do like this special color.

In the real world I think the price is ridiculous, but let's forget that for awhile.

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Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:24 pm quote
RRider wrote:
Talking about BMWs:

R Nine T /5 is not a bad go for a retro bike either. Naked, air cooled boxer... and I do like this special color.

In the real world I think the price is ridiculous, but let's forget that for awhile.
It also has an oil cooler (just in front of the engine below the gas tank) that works in parallel with the air-cooling fins. And the air cooler looks like an afterthought (and BMW is not alone in neglecting the design aesthetics of the radiator). It's not integrated into the bike design at all. And, frankly, it would look better without it IMO. Just sayin'

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Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:20 pm quote
Miguel wrote:
RRider wrote:
Talking about BMWs:

R Nine T /5 is not a bad go for a retro bike either. Naked, air cooled boxer... and I do like this special color.

In the real world I think the price is ridiculous, but let's forget that for awhile.
It also has an oil cooler (just in front of the engine below the gas tank) that works in parallel with the air-cooling fins. And the air cooler looks like an afterthought (and BMW is not alone in neglecting the design aesthetics of the radiator). It's not integrated into the bike design at all. And, frankly, it would look better without it IMO. Just sayin'

Miguel
Yeah. Airheads FTW!
But there are upper limits on how much power you can get out of a purely air-cooled engine, and emissions concerns as well. *sigh*

I just don't understand watercooled flat twin motorcycle engines. If you don't have to expose the cylinders to oncoming air for cooling, why not save the effort and material and just do a parallel or V twin like everyone else? It's already big enough to need counterbalancers anyhow.
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:24 pm quote
Such
Have you ridden a flat twin ?

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Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:33 pm quote
Air cooling is noisy with big fins and hence compliance is difficult.
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Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:35 pm quote
Re: Such
Bill Dog wrote:
Have you ridden a flat twin ?

Bill x
Yup. Why?
Miguel

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2001 BMW R1100RT. The oil cooling radiator is below the headlight and not very visible. It also has air-cooling fins

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Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:56 pm quote
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It was aimed at Rusty.

I was going to go on to say that once you've had one it's hard not to justify this configuration.

They have this incredible way of delivering their power, especially low down and its significantly different enough from a V twin to want to make a V Twin.

It also keeps the weight exactly where you want it, which is low down.

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Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:23 am quote
RRider wrote:
Talking about BMWs:

R Nine T /5 is not a bad go for a retro bike either. Naked, air cooled boxer... and I do like this special color.

In the real world I think the price is ridiculous, but let's forget that for awhile.
What is interesting is that if, like me, you already have an RnineT,
you can buy a /5 tank, mudguard and seat and have another bike...!
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:12 am quote
Rusty J wrote:
I just don't understand watercooled flat twin motorcycle engines. If you don't have to expose the cylinders to oncoming air for cooling, why not save the effort and material and just do a parallel or V twin like everyone else? It's already big enough to need counterbalancers anyhow.
The hallmark of BMW is the boxer engine, just like the side V-twin engine is for Moto Guzzi; first of all it is a question of image.
Then ... the cooling of an engine must be adequate, not a little and not too much, there are precise calculations to follow; consider that it must work properly in all the climates of the world.
If it cools too much the lubrication will be hindered and if it gets too hot it will not be efficient (to put it simply), this is also why on many motorcycle models there is the predisposition for the oil cooler but it is not there; it will be mounted in warmer climates where it will help to cool.
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:37 am quote
Fudmucker wrote:
RRider wrote:
Talking about BMWs:

R Nine T /5 is not a bad go for a retro bike either. Naked, air cooled boxer... and I do like this special color.

In the real world I think the price is ridiculous, but let's forget that for awhile.
What is interesting is that if, like me, you already have an RnineT,
you can buy a /5 tank, mudguard and seat and have another bike...!
Ah, I didn't realize that - that's clever from the BMW and also quite nice for a bike owner!
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Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:03 am quote
Miguel wrote:
RRider wrote:
Talking about BMWs:

R Nine T /5 is not a bad go for a retro bike either. Naked, air cooled boxer... and I do like this special color.

In the real world I think the price is ridiculous, but let's forget that for awhile.
It also has an oil cooler (just in front of the engine below the gas tank) that works in parallel with the air-cooling fins. And the air cooler looks like an afterthought (and BMW is not alone in neglecting the design aesthetics of the radiator). It's not integrated into the bike design at all. And, frankly, it would look better without it IMO. Just sayin'

Miguel
I hear you... I also do like a bit of design effort when it comes to bikes where the design has a clear theme - like a retro.

That said, I'm often a bit indecisive about where to draw the line. For example, I'm on the camp that thought the first Triumph Bonnevilles with fuel injection looked just silly with the fake carburettors hiding throttle bodies.

Oil, air and liquid coolers... depends on the case. On one hand the black ones in this BMW could go as the "modern part" of a retro... but I feel the same, the design is lazy. Some get grey hairs from the radiator of my Scrambler, but in this case.... well, either it is hidden well enough for me or I've just gotten used to it.

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Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:11 am quote
Anyone mention THESE yet? Apologies if they have, but they’re new to me.



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Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:13 am quote
Draw
Yes, Women.

They are all very new to me also.

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Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:03 am quote
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Bill Dog wrote:
Yes, Women.

They are all very new to me also.

Bill x
How much plastic do you think is in that one?
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Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:24 am quote
Beaten
I've dried.

I can't think of anything funny to come back with.

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