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Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:00 pm quote
chandlerman wrote:
ebeth, you never cease to amaze me. It's one thing to be able to assemble a scooter from parts, but to be able to assemble parts from even smaller parts is even better
You don't know what he can do sitting by the side of the road
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:47 am quote
waspmike wrote:
chandlerman wrote:
ebeth, you never cease to amaze me. It's one thing to be able to assemble a scooter from parts, but to be able to assemble parts from even smaller parts is even better
You don't know what he can do sitting by the side of the road
u guys make me blush, hows ur doing Brother Mike? and great boat Brother Chand

today i, put the new tyre from Brother Pheas, the different between worn tyre and new tyre is huge, i have to add 2 washer for the tyre to move freely and in result the tyre move to the left, now i know for sure i am gonna cut the engine mounting when i split the engine soon or later. but for sure the tyre is lower then my old tyre and i like it cause i dont have to use high heel as folk here often suggest

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Not bad for 350 rims

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Low profile tyre

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05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
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Location: Chicago. Well, Evanston, but that's almost Chicago
Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:35 am quote
It looks like I wasn't the only one doing some cool stuff of late.

Rowdy, I love that sidecar. Much slicker looking than the standard California Sidecar we see so much of, I feel like. All you need are some Devo jump suits and you're ready to roll!

I saw some of the commentary above about the possible weight issues. I don't know how much lighter a scooter sidecar typically is than a motorcycle sidecar, but do you expect to have any such issues?

What motor do you have driving it?

My wife and daughter have pushed me to do a sidecar project, but I've always held off for no particular reason than that they don't really pair well with my usual project goals, which are both absurd power AND absurd speed.

Maybe as I branch into body work, that will change, though.
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05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:50 am quote
Ginch wrote:
Check out Restolad from NZ. Does some cool stuff including fixing a PX side panel with the slap stick/hammer/thingy.
I hadn't run into Restolad yet, but just watched a few of his youtube videos and really like them. Short and to the point on specific tasks. The fact that he has a couple specific to working on Vespa's makes him even better in my book.

Thanks for the pointer, Ginch!
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:00 am quote
Yeah, love what he does with that slap thing.
Ossessionato
05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:05 am quote
I have a co-worker whose dad was a career bodywork guy. It's definitely as much an art as a science, and a whole new realm for me.

On the bright side, she still has a bunch of his tools in her garage and offered them to me, so other than going to pick them up, I may have a ton (perhaps literally) of serious pro-grade bodywork tools coming my way soon.
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:51 am quote
koenig blues wrote:
i have to add 2 washer for the tyre to move freely and in result the tyre move to the left, now i know for sure i am gonna cut the engine mounting when i split the engine soon or later. but for sure the tyre is lower then my old tyre and i like it cause i dont have to use high heel as folk here often suggest
Looking awesome. So jacked up! Have you ridden it yet?
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:52 am quote
Ginch and I beside the track at Mt Panorama, Bathurst.

I suspect Ginch looks happy not because of the awesome road, but because it was his first opportunity to take his helmet off after the first couple of hours of testing our intercoms. He had no idea I knew that many bad Dad jokes, and poor poetry.

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1976 Super (x 2), 1974 Primavera (x 2), 2006 Fly 150
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:34 am quote
Hit the magic number

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Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:52 am quote
Must be strong off shore breeze in San Diego
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:30 am quote
Not today, but won’t lie, some gravity involved
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:43 am quote
Holy Crap!, Congrats on the lottery winnings!
Ossessionato
05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
Joined: 16 Jun 2011
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Location: Chicago. Well, Evanston, but that's almost Chicago
Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:29 am quote
On the way to the train this morning, the white wire from the stator to the CDI snapped in two on the Stella.

Fortunately, I was only a couple blocks away, so I gimp-pushed it home, went to crimp in a butt connector, at which point the red wire also snapped, along with the white wire snapping off right where it exits the epoxy in the CDI.

Looking at the wires, the copper in both of them was pretty much rotten. This is on a CDI that's only 14 months old, so I'm pretty underwhelmed right about now.

I'll update once I get a chance to Dremel in and see what's going on, but I'm still pretty irritated bout the whole thing.

On the plus side, my hammer and dolly arrived, so I'll start fixing my various bodywork issues once all my various electrical issues are sorted out.

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Let the beating begin!

Ossessionato
05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:57 pm quote
I ordered the parts to swap the Stella motor into the Sprint frame today.

I had told myself that I wasn't going to do it, but I need to pull both motors for different reasons, so I figured...why not combine the fastest motor with the coolest scooter?

Also, on the way to work this morning, I seem to have hit a pidgin spike or caltrop or something that took out my rear tire. Swapped for another one, but I'm still pissed. And my gimpy leg is hurting like hell today, so that bit of work was really not necessary.

Anyone know if it's possible/a good idea to plug a tubeless scooter tire?
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Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:00 pm quote
chandlerman wrote:
Anyone know if it's possible/a good idea to plug a tubeless scooter tire?
I thought that was one of the plus points of tubeless?

Was the CDI that broke a Vape?
Gt6MK3 wrote:
Ginch and I beside the track at Mt Panorama, Bathurst.

I suspect Ginch looks happy not because of the awesome road, but because it was his first opportunity to take his helmet off after the first couple of hours of testing our intercoms. He had no idea I knew that many bad Dad jokes, and poor poetry.
Wait - there was poetry?

This is why I hate pictures of myself! I'm counting down the timer...
Ossessionato
05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:27 am quote
Yes, Ginch, it's a Vape ignition. I'll be doing surgery this weekend.

I've also ordered a tire plug kit, so I'll have a go at that this weekend, too.
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:15 am quote
Chandlerman
Hello Mate. did I see right? it's the CDI on a sip vape ignition? I fitted one on mine the weekend and I thought the connectors were really made for wires inside a telly. I modified the original bracket so the CDI is under the level of the bodywork where rain and crap can spray all over it. Guess I'll be embalming it in mastic tomorrow.
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:46 am quote
Re: Chandlerman
worrywort wrote:
Hello Mate. did I see right? it's the CDI on a sip vape ignition? I fitted one on mine the weekend and I thought the connectors were really made for wires inside a telly. I modified the original bracket so the CDI is under the level of the bodywork where rain and crap can spray all over it. Guess I'll be embalming it in mastic tomorrow.
You read that correctly. It's the SIP/Vape ignition. Tiny little 22AWG wires, too.

I'll be re-wiring with Marine-grade (tinned copper) 14AWG when I sort it out over the weekend.

It's a shame about the wiring, too, because in general, I've been extremely pleased with it and am running that same ignition on my Sprint, where I'm now needing to deal with a clutch replacement because it's producing enough power to spread the basket of the six-spring clutch. /
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:04 pm quote
Re: Chandlerman
chandlerman wrote:
I'll be re-wiring with Marine-grade (tinned copper) 14AWG... (
Would it be worth adding extra length, then making a loop that is hot-glued to the CDI? At least then it can't flex next to the CDI itself.
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:08 pm quote
Re: Chandlerman
Ginch wrote:
chandlerman wrote:
I'll be re-wiring with Marine-grade (tinned copper) 14AWG... (
Would it be worth adding extra length, then making a loop that is hot-glued to the CDI? At least then it can't flex next to the CDI itself.
My current plan is to try to embed a set of male plugs like a Ducati CDI. we'll see if that plan survives the first whine of Dremel.
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:36 pm quote
Re: Chandlerman
chandlerman wrote:
Ginch wrote:
chandlerman wrote:
I'll be re-wiring with Marine-grade (tinned copper) 14AWG... (
Would it be worth adding extra length, then making a loop that is hot-glued to the CDI? At least then it can't flex next to the CDI itself.
My current plan is to try to embed a set of male plugs like a Ducati CDI. we'll see if that plan survives the first whine of Dremel.
I'll be watching with interest!
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Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:30 pm quote
Re: Chandlerman
Ginch wrote:
chandlerman wrote:
Ginch wrote:
chandlerman wrote:
I'll be re-wiring with Marine-grade (tinned copper) 14AWG... (
Would it be worth adding extra length, then making a loop that is hot-glued to the CDI? At least then it can't flex next to the CDI itself.
My current plan is to try to embed a set of male plugs like a Ducati CDI. we'll see if that plan survives the first whine of Dremel.
I'll be watching with interest!
x2!
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Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:22 am quote
Shoe Goo to the rescue
chandlerman wrote:
Ginch wrote:
chandlerman wrote:
I'll be re-wiring with Marine-grade (tinned copper) 14AWG... (
Would it be worth adding extra length, then making a loop that is hot-glued to the CDI? At least then it can't flex next to the CDI itself.
My current plan is to try to embed a set of male plugs like a Ducati CDI. we'll see if that plan survives the first whine of Dremel.
I just finished repairing a Ducati CDI as a spare for a friend's PK. The first time I tried this the grounding wire had broken in the usual place and it broke again soon after because I didn't anchor it to the CDI. Lesson learned, now I Shoe Goo it around the terminal tower. I think it would work well here too embedding terminals, you can shape and move it as needed before it sets. I have no Dremel but you can do this simple repair w/ a small file & sharp knife if necessary.

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get enough of the old wire exposed and scrape it shiny

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make the best physical connection you can

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solder it up and clean around the tower w/ lacquer thinner or acetone

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glue it wrapped around the tower for extra strength with some on the solder joint to seal & insulate it

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05 Stella, '62 VBB, 76 Sprint V, 63 GL
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Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:59 am quote
Nice one, V oodoo!

I had a little tougher challenge, because on the Vape, the kill & ignition wires come out as a bundle and the red wire had broken off below the level of the epoxy.

So I veeerrrryyyy carefully dremel'ed it down about half an inch or so, then was able to replace the broken red wire and also put heat shrink around the base of the other two wires, since both the white and blue wires were also getting close to breaking.

After that, it was mostly layers of heat shrink, followed by liquid electrical tape, then more heat shrink and finally a cable hanger that stabilized the bundle to the plug wire base.

Very similar result, just less clean looking and more work. Put it back in the bike and it fired right up .

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broke

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ready to fix

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better

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It may not be pretty, but it runs again

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freakin' caltrop

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Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:53 am quote
Great fix. I need to do the same for a spare. AND, good idea securing the new ground too.

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Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:14 am quote
Not sure you'll win the Concours D'Elegance with that, but I somehow doubt that was your aim!
I guess you could always pour resin back around the join?
Ossessionato
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:53 am quote
Ginch wrote:
Not sure you'll win the Concours D'Elegance with that, but I somehow doubt that was your aim!
I guess you could always pour resin back around the join?
I thought about that. It's not like I don't have epoxy by the quart around here right now. If I go that route, I would build up some more liquid electrical tape around it so that next time it happens, I'll have more buffer when I have to dremel it off.
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:47 am quote
Want

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Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:58 am quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Want
I put myself in serious pain with all the up & down of un-doing the winter's salt on the Stella's rear brake this weekend.

This may finally be enough to make me invest in a motorcycle lift.
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:05 am quote
Really like the small footprint of this one. Have no idea where it’s made though.
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:27 am quote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Really like the small footprint of this one. Have no idea where it’s made though.
I believe it's an original Vespa shop lift. They're made of pure unobtanium.

SIP Have something similar, but it doesn't flip like that from what I can tell.

Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:48 pm quote
That thing is fantastic!!! How good would that be... heaven! Here's some pics I've collected. The one with the kid is pretty compact.

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Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:08 pm quote
How about this? Effing nuts!!

https://scooterlab.uk/70bhp-smallframes-egig-taking-vespa-tuning-to-the-limit-feature/?fbclid=IwAR2UOKiFrCn_1_BV5_60m_4ivcWCxNILlxoXi6whHydoPhm4T4xWXJFc3yM
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I wonder what it’s like to ride. Can you even control a 50hp smallframe on the road?

Egig says: “With the 250 Touring engine peak power is 8,500-9000 and finishes at 10,500. You can ride around the street at 4,000 rpm and it really begins to push at 5,500. I made a specific exhaust to have this wide spread so you can use it on the street.”

“With part throttle in first and second gear you can reach 110km/h (68mph). With a heavy fork and a legshield toolbox then with the 50hp engine you can give full gas in 3rd gear.”
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:59 pm quote
Where do the studs go?
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:23 pm quote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
Where do the studs go?
It talks about that in the link...the studs screw into the cylinder, and then slide into the case. So pretty much the exact opposite of how they would normally be.
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:27 pm quote
Ginch wrote:
How about this? Effing nuts!!

https://scooterlab.uk/70bhp-smallframes-egig-taking-vespa-tuning-to-the-limit-feature/?fbclid=IwAR2UOKiFrCn_1_BV5_60m_4ivcWCxNILlxoXi6whHydoPhm4T4xWXJFc3yM
Quote:
I wonder what it’s like to ride. Can you even control a 50hp smallframe on the road?

Egig says: “With the 250 Touring engine peak power is 8,500-9000 and finishes at 10,500. You can ride around the street at 4,000 rpm and it really begins to push at 5,500. I made a specific exhaust to have this wide spread so you can use it on the street.”

“With part throttle in first and second gear you can reach 110km/h (68mph). With a heavy fork and a legshield toolbox then with the 50hp engine you can give full gas in 3rd gear.”
I read that article earlier today. It’s absolutely mind blowing. Did you read about how at the racetrack, one of the guys wheelied and looped out the scooter while going 93mph?
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:27 pm quote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
Where do the studs go?


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Molto Verboso
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:58 pm quote
@Ginch, love your comment on ScooterLab:

"not sure where you go next after “unrideable”? Even more unrideable?"
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:25 pm quote
@Ginch Do you think Egig read our thread from last year?
Cylinder Stud Patterns
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:32 pm quote
Jack221 wrote:
@Ginch Do you think Egig read our thread from last year?
Cylinder Stud Patterns
Ha ha! Not when he's getting direct advice from the DEA guy!

In fact he doesn't seem interested in largeframes at all... it's a shame because they ought to be able to handle more power than a smallie (I would have thought) simply because of the longer wheelbase.
Although the transfers certainly are it seems, more of a limiting factor on the L/F cases when you are talking about large capacities. I guess the T5 gets away with it due to a narrower bore?
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