PX floor runners and caps
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Molto Verboso
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Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:51 am quote
I'm tarting up the PX.

The PX has black plastic end caps (the type with no hole).

I'm thinking of changing these and (if necessary the floor runners)

First up I'm going to bolt the runners back on, yeah yeah I know they should be riveted but this is going to be a working bike.

Does any one know if any of the old style end caps would fit PX runners?
OR
would old style runners fit the PX?

reason being the old style metal end caps look better are cheaper.
Its a modern PX it's not original now so who cares if its stock or not.
Molto Verboso
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Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:31 am quote
I use m4 bolts on all my floor runners, rivets are a pain. just check the width of each end cap is the same. SIP to colour coded & chrome end caps for the PX, a bit expensive though.
Molto Verboso
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Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:33 am quote
Scooooot R. s. Sells stainless ones which can be polished. I'm sure available elsewhere. I use m4 with nyloc as well.
Molto Verboso
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Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:42 am quote
Cheers guys.

I was going to buy a set of the SS end caps apparently original on gumtree for 15. If I can get a few hours off work I'll pop over to Glasgow Lambretta with my bits and see what fits.

GL did you get down to Scoot Ayr?

One of these days I'll see your scoot in the flesh
Molto Verboso
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Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:09 am quote
Bjorn Toulouse wrote:
Cheers guys.

I was going to buy a set of the SS end caps apparently original on gumtree for 15. If I can get a few hours off work I'll pop over to Glasgow Lambretta with my bits and see what fits.

GL did you get down to Scoot Ayr?

One of these days I'll see your scoot in the flesh
unfortunately not, fractured my wrist and so been out of action for 6 weeks, building another scooter at the moment which has been on the back burner due to my injury, can only do a few things, with help. Hoping to get to Aberfoyle in September.

here is the link to my current build Vespa 2016 Project.
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Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:01 am quote
GLscoot wrote:
I use m4 bolts on all my floor runners, rivets are a pain.
I use stainless M3 countersunk allen heads.
Same as you, cant be arsed with rivets.

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Molto Verboso
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Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:08 am quote
nebulae wrote:
GLscoot wrote:
I use m4 bolts on all my floor runners, rivets are a pain.
I use stainless M3 countersunk allen heads.
Same as you, cant be arsed with rivets.
so where about do you get them from?

B n Q or online?
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Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:35 am quote
Bjorn Toulouse wrote:
nebulae wrote:
GLscoot wrote:
I use m4 bolts on all my floor runners, rivets are a pain.
I use stainless M3 countersunk allen heads.
Same as you, cant be arsed with rivets.
so where about do you get them from?

B n Q or online?
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Molto Verboso
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Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:37 am quote
well I know what i'll be doing when get home from work (auction sights blocked at work)
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Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:40 am quote
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M3-3mm-COUNTERSUNK-BOLTS-ALLEN-SOCKET-SCREWS-A2-STAINLESS-STEEL-/252479022476?var=551356008933&hash=item3ac8ec258c:m:mf46PPGMjYv0Zha0KKRGvXQ

Get lock nuts & washers too.
Just get one length of screw then cut them with a dremmel
Molto Verboso
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Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:42 am quote
cheers

picking up end caps from Glasgow lambretta on Thursday so if I order tonight job should be a good un.
Molto Verboso
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Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:40 am quote
almogavar1969 wrote:
Scooooot R. s. Sells stainless ones which can be polished. I'm sure available elsewhere. I use m3 countersunk with nyloc nuts.
Molto Verboso
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Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:38 am quote
almogavar1969 wrote:
almogavar1969 wrote:
Scooooot R. s. Sells stainless ones which can be polished. I'm sure available elsewhere. I use m3 countersunk with nyloc nuts.
[redacted] $13 shipping

ebay 1 for two!!!

looks like its going to cost me about 17 in total inc vat
Molto Verboso
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Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:58 am quote
Ends up the old style end caps are too narrow for PX runners by about 2 mm
So I'm left with the new style ones that need the top of the rivet to stay in place.

So
4 options I can think of.

1. drill a hole in the end caps and use a counter sunk bolt (early p2 style)
2. melt a nut into the end cap and bolt from below
3. Use pop rivets (87 for the proper tool...don't think so)
4. bolt the runner on and glue the end caps on

I take it these were just hammered on at the factory

what do you think?
Molto Verboso
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Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:33 am quote
or buy a set of new runners to fit the end caps, you just bought. I bet you wish you never started this job.

or buy the SIP end caps for the PX, they come in a various options of colour & finish.
Molto Verboso
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Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:34 am quote
I had to take the runners off to address an issue with the floor caused by a slight argument with a kerb by the looks of it.

I was advised the old style runners are a different shape to the PX floor so wont fit properly (bummer they look so much better)

I'll have a peek at the SIP site.

Out of time this week as I'm going up north for the weekend

By the time I get back parts might be here... to be continued
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Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:00 pm quote
I managed to get m3 Allen head countersunks from my local hardware store in black. Cost $2 for a whole set. Worth asking around, you never know what's sitting out the back of the shop right under your nose.
Molto Verboso
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Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:39 pm quote
bolt'nbase on eBay, there based in falkirk, I get most of my hardware from them, I actually use dome nuts on the underneath,
Molto Verboso
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Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:08 am quote
Was up in Crinan for the weekend and managed to get the fasteners in their chandlers 20p for a dome nuts (just going to use these for the visible ones, tight as two coats of paint but hay its going to be a working scoot) 5p for nylocks and 6p per bolt. result.

This weeks job is fix the floor (all horrible under the runners) prime and paint.
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Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:14 am quote
Just picking up on this thread. I've just riveted the runners on, it was a success...but also a pain in the arse. So I'm curious about others methods...

If you use countersunk bolts to fix the runners...do you not have serious trouble getting the rubber to slide on the runners?
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Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:48 am quote
reggaeteach wrote:
Just picking up on this thread. I've just riveted the runners on, it was a success...but also a pain in the arse. So I'm curious about others methods...

If you use countersunk bolts to fix the runners...do you not have serious trouble getting the rubber to slide on the runners?
flat or dome head is what i have used in the past for the main fixings on the runners and countersunk stylee for the end caps - and yes they can be a pain to get the rubbers past.... however, lots of lube and a little persuasion and the go past
Molto Verboso
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:15 am quote
Counter sunk in the runners dome nuts on the visible outside nylocks underneath. The runners went on very easily.
The plus side is they come off easily to.
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:57 am quote
As a little detail I put dome caps on.

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Molto Verboso
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:10 am quote
the same, except only where visible
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