Newbie with a 1963 Allstate
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Allstate 1963
Joined: 28 Aug 2016
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Location: Ohio
Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:11 pm quote
Hi all
I have just bought my first scooter, a project 1963 Allstate. After my first weekend of tinkering I have so many questions. Please help!
I knew the engine was seized, I have rebuilt many engines so that did not scare me away. After a couple of weeks of soaking in every oil recipie I have used or heard of, I had no luck so I took the engine apart. What a mess!
After reading lots of websites and looking for parts I am now more confused than ever, so here are my questions.
1. What is a 2, 3 and 5 port engine? I know what ports are but why the differences?
2. How many ports does my engine have?
3. If I am using new parts what should I be looking for? I may as well upgrade but I am building a neighborhood cruiser for my wife and I not a noisy racer.

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MV Santa
GTS250, 1960 VBA, 1975 VBC, 1980 P200E cutdown
Joined: 04 May 2010
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Location: Sedgwick, Kansas
Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:35 pm quote
Welcome to the forum. You have come to the right place.

It looks to me like your crankshaft, piston and cylinder are probably toasted. Not to worry. Those parts are normally changed on an engine rebuild anyway along with the bearings and seals. They are easily replaced and as long as your rotary pad is OK you have a good chance of saving the case.

You should take your questions to the not so modern section of the forum. They will be glad to help you out there.

Good luck.
Hooked
56 VL3, 59 GS3, 62 GS160 Mk 1, 65 SS180, 71 Rally 180, 74 Rally 200
Joined: 19 Aug 2014
Posts: 220
Location: Boise
Sun Aug 28, 2016 6:58 pm quote
Re: Newbie with a 1963 Allstate
If you know what a port is, you should be able to just look at your case and count them.

Hint: its 2

The differences are all based on performance, reliability, simplicity, cost and technology. two ports = less power more reliability.

http://scooterlounge.com/vespa/buyers-guide/vespa-vbb.shtml

You almost certainly should consider modding/tuning the motor... they are slow.. slow... slow.

something like this... http://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/racing+cylinder+pinasco+177cc+_80520000

And a SIP road exhaust would give you a little bit of a boost without requiring you to have more ports cut into the case.
Jimmyb wrote:
Hi all
I have just bought my first scooter, a project 1963 Allstate. After my first weekend of tinkering I have so many questions. Please help!
I knew the engine was seized, I have rebuilt many engines so that did not scare me away. After a couple of weeks of soaking in every oil recipie I have used or heard of, I had no luck so I took the engine apart. What a mess!
After reading lots of websites and looking for parts I am now more confused than ever, so here are my questions.
1. What is a 2, 3 and 5 port engine? I know what ports are but why the differences?
2. How many ports does my engine have?
3. If I am using new parts what should I be looking for? I may as well upgrade but I am building a neighborhood cruiser for my wife and I not a noisy racer.
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Allstate 1963
Joined: 28 Aug 2016
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Location: Ohio
Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:10 pm quote
"For race use only" does that mean it needs rebuilding/replacing frequently?
This looks like a three port set up and I need to modify my casings to accommodate. Does this mean milling?
Hooked
56 VL3, 59 GS3, 62 GS160 Mk 1, 65 SS180, 71 Rally 180, 74 Rally 200
Joined: 19 Aug 2014
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Location: Boise
Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:54 pm quote
Photo might not show exact item. Description is clearly for 2 port motor.

I wouldnt worry about "For race use only" if your only going to be using it for

My suggestion would be for you to contact someone a professional who can not only order everything you need, but provide you with expert advice.

Rob Hodge of hodgespeed, Jonathan Gick of Gickspeed and Joe Casola of Saints Cycle Works are three mechanics I know that may be able to help you.

There are multiple other good shops out there as well.

There are also several other reputable shops who can provide everything you need, give you recommendations based on budget, etc...
Jimmyb wrote:
"For race use only" does that mean it needs rebuilding/replacing frequently?
This looks like a three port set up and I need to modify my casings to accommodate. Does this mean milling?
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Allstate 1963
Joined: 28 Aug 2016
Posts: 4
Location: Ohio
Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:56 pm quote
Ok this is the year this bike will run again. I have cleared away all other old vehicles and want to ride this one this spring and summer.
Let the restoration begin.
Molto Verboso
Joined: 26 Oct 2015
Posts: 1147

Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:14 pm quote
Jimmyb wrote:
Ok this is the year this bike will run again. I have cleared away all other old vehicles and want to ride this one this spring and summer.
Let the restoration begin.
That's a great New Year's resolution!

Are you going to try to rebuild the engine you have, or swap in something else...such as a Stella engine?
Hooked
68sprint,65super,64Allstate
Joined: 20 Jul 2017
Posts: 217
Location: Central california
Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:55 pm quote
63 allstate
Welcome to the forum....there are a lot of members with a wealth of info. On this forum. Don’t lose focus on what your goal is. If you want to do the majority of the work than you need to educate yourself on how the engine works and the process of rebuilding. I have a 64 Allstate, and yes it is not a a speed demon by any means, but it will go 50mph, well maybe. Mine is totally stock, but I only ride it short distances. There will be plenty of members giving suggestions and advice. I will say this: go on the scooters west website and watch the “how to rebuild a Vespa engine” on you tube. Very informative...if your not familiar with how a Vespa engine works. Good luck with your scooter. Scott

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Hooked
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Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:06 pm quote
63 Allstate
Jimmy....check your mail box. Scott
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Allstate 1963
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Location: Ohio
Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:39 am quote
Thank you Scott. I plan on keeping this scooter mostly stock, I am only looking for a neighborhood run about nothing more.
I will get it running well and look st doing body work at some other point down the road
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