GTS 250 dash/instruments - led's dying
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'06 GTS 250 / '09 Triumph Bonneville
Joined: 12 Nov 2005
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Location: Houston, TX
Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:47 pm quote
Has anyone else seen anything like this? I have a 2006 GTSie 250 and the led display on the right side of the instrument cluster is crapping out. It started earlier this spring with an area the size of a fingernail getting faint and difficult to read. It has gotten progressively larger over time. At times it seems to fade almost completely out, and then it reappears with varying degrees of intensity. I wondered if there might not be moisture inside the unit causing this? It seems to vary depending on temperature, direct sunlight, etc. Any suggestions?

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Molto Verboso
GTS 250i.e.
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Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:06 pm quote
i've seen them go bad from too much sunlight.
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BV350, Primavera 150, Yamaha Zuma 125
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Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:47 am quote
Because of the spot that changes in size, it looks like the layers of the LCD are separating. There may be moisture inside, but not necessarily -- it could be just air. (BTW, it's a Liquid Crystal Display "LCD", not a LED.)

It doesn't look like there are random segments that are always off or on. That would indicate a bad contact in an electrical connector -- not an easy DIY fix.

You could try to carefully heat the display with a hair dryer to drive out the air or moisture. Do not let the display get HOT, only warm. Hold the dryer several inches away, on the lowest heat setting. It might work better if you can heat the back side of the display -- but only if it's easily accessible. You'll risk more damage if you have to disconnect any wiring, remove tape or backing plates, etc.
Enthusiast
2008 GTS 250 (red dragon)
Joined: 18 Jan 2012
Posts: 69
Location: Washington
Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:03 am quote
Windshield?
If you have a windshield you have to be careful how you park in the sun--the curvature of the windshield may focus the sun's rays directly on the LCD screen damaging it. Park facing the sun, not away from it.
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Lx 50 4T, S 150, GTS 250
Joined: 21 Feb 2011
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Location: KS USA
Sat Nov 12, 2016 2:45 pm quote
In my opinion I thiink it may be a combination of heat and moiisture demage. Do you store/park your scoot outdoors?
Hooked
'06 GTS 250 / '09 Triumph Bonneville
Joined: 12 Nov 2005
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Location: Houston, TX
Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:25 pm quote
Max6200 wrote:
In my opinion I thiink it may be a combination of heat and moiisture demage. Do you store/park your scoot outdoors?
Nope, she's lived in a garage her entire life. That said, I do live in Houston where humidity is always an issue. Since I made the original post I've been told by a couple of shops, that, a) this is fairly common, & b) there's not really a fix for it. (If that's the case, I was surprised that I didn't see more references on the forum: there are a few, but not many.)

I feel like I got really lucky and got my hands on a replacement unit from a low mileage scoot. Now that I have a solution in hand, in the interest of science I probably will try the gentle application of warm air after I pull the old unit just to see what sort of result I might get.

I did find one video from Mitch B., where he had pulled the cluster & done a pretty significant breakdown of the unit. I'll probably go that route & open it up where I can really get down to the source of the problem.

I'll post results (prob a couple of weeks from now due to travel). Thanks to members for feedback.
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Lambretta child
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Location: Midwest, West Oz
Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:41 pm quote
Something else that can be common with these types of instrument panel is the power supply rails can sometimes vary the power level output, which can make them dim, and/or drop segments.
Before you have fun with your "destructive analysis" maybe try carefully re-soldering the pins and connections in the power supply section of the board.
I've found it fixes 80-90% of panel issues usually.
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Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:08 pm quote
JimW wrote:
I did find one video from Mitch B., where he had pulled the cluster & done a pretty significant breakdown of the unit. I'll probably go that route & open it up where I can really get down to the source of the problem.
You may find more helpful information by searching for how to repair a liquid crystal display that's used in anything, not specifically a scooter. That's partly the reason I explained that you have a LCD and not a LED display. I've had success repairing my digital multimeter and maybe a cheap watch with the heat method, though not so much with a couple of calculators. Of course, YMMV. Good luck!
Molto Verboso
2013 Vespa 300 Super, 2007 Burgman 400
Joined: 30 Mar 2014
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Location: Minneapolis USA
Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:14 pm quote
Windshield Impact on Instrument Cluster
Clinteastwood,

Thanks for your input. I had the Vespa Medium Windshield installed
on my 300 Super. It clearly stated, do not park your scoot with
the Sun from behind that will focus and direct the sun on to the
dash.

Now, for all you riders in the USA Pacific Northwest and the UK,
I understand you really have no sunny days. JUST A JOKE.

On balance, We are anticipating a record snow in Minnesota
starting next month. It has been fortunate for us to be able
to ride into November.

Vespa hibernation soon in Minnesota. I will be living through
the rest of you on the forum until next Spring.

Bob Copeland
Frost Bite Falls Minnesota
Veni, Vidi, Posti
Lx 50 4T, S 150, GTS 250
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Location: KS USA
Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:04 pm quote
I love my GTS but I REALLY wish it came with an analog panel I have difficulty seeing it with polarized goggles or bright sunlight.
Molto Verboso
2006 GTS 250ie in Silver
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Posts: 1803
Location: Bend, OR
Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:35 pm quote
Try this one! It looks like it does more than any other speedo I have ever seen.

It also costs about the same as an OEM replacement at $230.

http://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/rev+counterspeedometer+sip+_mv91402sj

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Lx 50 4T, S 150, GTS 250
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Location: KS USA
Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:12 pm quote
bendcyclist wrote:
Try this one! It looks like it does more than any other speedo I have ever seen.

It also costs about the same as an OEM replacement at $230.

http://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/rev+counterspeedometer+sip+_mv91402sj
I wonder if they have that used half price. Off I go to search.
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GTS250ie
Joined: 17 Oct 2010
Posts: 21
Location: Paris, France
Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:18 pm quote
Hello, has any other owners of s Gts250ie experience the dimming/fading of the LCD display on the dashboard ? Can this be fixed by an experienced Electronicien or leaving no resort of changing the whole dashboard ? Cheers
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GTS250ie
Joined: 17 Oct 2010
Posts: 21
Location: Paris, France
Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:20 pm quote
The SIP dashboard can only be installed for later GTS models - It will not fit on a GTS250ie older models - This is according to SIP website
Hooked
GTS250ie
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Location: Treasure Coast, FL
Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:24 pm quote
I have that same exact issue on my 2007 GTS250
Hooked
GTS 250
Joined: 26 Apr 2008
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Location: California
Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:49 am quote
kitotof wrote:
The SIP dashboard can only be installed for later GTS models - It will not fit on a GTS250ie older models - This is according to SIP website
Did you contact them about this? It seems strange that it wouldn't fit the 250, since it fits both the GT200 & the early 300.
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GTS250ie
Joined: 17 Oct 2010
Posts: 21
Location: Paris, France
Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:27 pm quote
AnnDee4444 wrote:
kitotof wrote:
The SIP dashboard can only be installed for later GTS models - It will not fit on a GTS250ie older models - This is according to SIP website
Did you contact them about this? It seems strange that it wouldn't fit the 250, since it fits both the GT200 & the early 300.
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Check the exact vehicle model before ordering. The connections of the different models differ. If you are unsure please follow the following document! Click here!

for Vespa GT/GTL 125-200cc/GTS 125 models : If you decide not to fit the separately available digital speed sensor system (#KOBF640J06), the original speedometer drive from the later GTS models (#PI56306R) must be used.

for Vespa GTS/GTS Super 125-300cc, post 2014 : The rear steering assembly cover (#PI1652682) from earlier GTS models must be included. The position of the switch assembly for lights/horn etc. can be retained, the mode button is the only exception. An 'ABS' indicator light is also integrated into this SIP speedometer/rev counter unit.

for Vespa GTS 125-300 Euro 4: Does not fit on EURO 4 Modell
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GTS250ie
Joined: 17 Oct 2010
Posts: 21
Location: Paris, France
Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:29 pm quote
AnnDee4444 wrote:
kitotof wrote:
The SIP dashboard can only be installed for later GTS models - It will not fit on a GTS250ie older models - This is according to SIP website
Did you contact them about this? It seems strange that it wouldn't fit the 250, since it fits both the GT200 & the early 300.
-//

Check the exact vehicle model before ordering. The connections of the different models differ. If you are unsure please follow the following document! Click here!

for Vespa GT/GTL 125-200cc/GTS 125 models : If you decide not to fit the separately available digital speed sensor system (#KOBF640J06), the original speedometer drive from the later GTS models (#PI56306R) must be used.

for Vespa GTS/GTS Super 125-300cc, post 2014 : The rear steering assembly cover (#PI1652682) from earlier GTS models must be included. The position of the switch assembly for lights/horn etc. can be retained, the mode button is the only exception. An 'ABS' indicator light is also integrated into this SIP speedometer/rev counter unit.

for Vespa GTS 125-300 Euro 4: Does not fit on EURO 4 Modell
Hooked
GTS 250
Joined: 26 Apr 2008
Posts: 172
Location: California
Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:59 am quote
kitotof wrote:
The SIP dashboard can only be installed for later GTS models - It will not fit on a GTS250ie older models - This is according to SIP website
SIP now offers their speedometer for the 250 https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/speedometerrev+counter+sip+_mv91404bj

I'm not sure if this adapter kit is required https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/wire+kit+sip+speedometer+sip+_mv914002e
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GTS250ie
Joined: 17 Oct 2010
Posts: 21
Location: Paris, France
Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:54 am quote
This is the list of compatible Vespa 🛵 displays and models : 😔 sadly not compatible with my GTS 250 display .

https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/main/base/details/Download.aspx?ID=7ecff1c7-29d8-4c52-a028-7aef379325a8
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Lx 50 4T, S 150, GTS 250
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Location: KS USA
Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:06 pm quote
Look behind
If you take it apart and make sure you have it real tight it may help. Dielectric grease is your friend here. Remove the end of the hardness where it connects to the panel and give it a puff of warm air. Reapplied the grease before re-installation.
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