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Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:42 pm quote
My sym scooter was stolen. My darling wife really wants me to buy a Vespa. She's leaning towards a new 300. I would be satisfied with a used 150 if the mileage is low and it runs well, for half price ir less. As far as size is concerned, I want a more nimble bike and I don't know if 150 vs 300 makes a difference. I'm aware new ones have les maintance requirements. I know how to service a carb, but fuel injection is new to me. Is there anything else I should consider? What would you do, and why?
Thanks from the new guy
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:46 pm quote
Hi Liam. Welcome to MV.

If you don't need the speed get the smaller bike.
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:53 pm quote
If you can afford the price, there is no comparison between the 300 and 150. I have a GTS 250, very similar to the 300, except the newest 300 has anti-lock brakes and traction control. Maintenance is minimal as long as you keep up and always check oil and fluid levels. I've ridden Kymco, Sym, Vespa, and Piaggio scoots on the VCdM trips, all 125, except the X-8 on September's Tuscany Rally. They were all great bikes, but the extra power of the larger engine is worth every penny, IMHO. Good luck with your search and eventual new ride!
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:30 pm quote
I mostly drive under 40 mph. With lots of corners. What would you say about the 2 sizes in city driving. And I can afford either
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:05 pm quote
There's always a third option - the GT 200 has respectable horsepower compared to the more powerful 250 and 300 , is full size, yet has a carb for those who prefer it.

I've only ridden a small number of scooters but big or little - they're all pretty nimble. I'd say the primary decision is on what fits you better than on power. Power appears not to be a primary concern based on your description.
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:26 pm quote
Texasliam wrote:
I mostly drive under 40 mph. With lots of corners. What would you say about the 2 sizes in city driving. And I can afford either
150 for sure then. Nimbler than a 300. Has no problem doing 50 all day if you want to stretch your legs a bit. Tops out in the low 60's depending on rider weight.
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:49 pm quote
The Mocker wrote:
Texasliam wrote:
I mostly drive under 40 mph. With lots of corners. What would you say about the 2 sizes in city driving. And I can afford either
150 for sure then.
And spend the difference on beer and some flowers for the wife.
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Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:17 pm quote
I would say get the 300.

I live in a very dense city with plenty of traffic, and I commute on the 300 through town every day. I thought of the 150, but I wanted the power for riding two up on the hills.

I corner, turn and lane split with the best of them, I have never felt the 300 lacked agility and I have appreciated the flexibility to get on the freeway at 75 mph if necessary.
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:48 am quote
just out of interest what size of engine/frame/wheel size was your sym?

I regularly jump between an 2012 LX 125 and 2014 BV 350 and the differences are a lot more pronounced. I like them both but my commute consists of 50% 70mph 2 lane highway and 40mph city roads.

Without actually having ridden the 300, it seems like a good compromise. I would try one out if you can to get a feel.
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:57 am quote
buy the one your wife likes
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:22 am quote
joshbangbang wrote:
buy the one your wife likes
What he said.
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I would get the 150. I have a 150 and 250. The 150 is the daily rider because it is much lighter and easier to ride in town. In fact, if I had to get rid of one, the 150 is what I would keep.
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:29 am quote
150. Got the power for what your going to use it for and it's lightweight. I have a really bad back and arthritis (RA) and i can handle it just fine. Have almost 41,000 miles on mine.
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:46 am quote
I ride two-up on the LX and climb hills with no issue. It does drop to about 45/50 on steep hills but I can get her to 70 on a flat. You only need the bigger bike if you plan on doing a lot of highway riding.
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:55 am quote
Gotta throw in that the I think the smaller bikes are just plain purdier, as well.

I know it's blaspheme, but I think my ideal setup would be a Sprint AND a full on motorcycle for the highways, but that ain't gonna happen.
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:54 am quote
About to buy...
Buy the red one. It's faster.
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:56 am quote
I'm going to stray away a bit and recommend the GTS 250/300. Low mileage used examples can be had that offer great value for the dollar.

The 300 is about 75lbs heavier than the 150, but you won't really feel that except for very low speed maneuvering/pushing in garage or parking area. But the extra weight and power will give you much better performance and confidence when riding, especially if you experience crosswinds in your area. You also get better suspension and braking with the 300.

My Fly 150 is much lighter then my GTS, but it's agility is not markedly better than my GTS250. The only time I prefer the Fly is when I'm pushing it around the garage.
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:04 am quote
tdrake wrote:
Gotta throw in that the I think the smaller bikes are just plain purdier, as well.

I know it's blaspheme, but I think my ideal setup would be a Sprint AND a full on motorcycle for the highways, but that ain't gonna happen.
The new Primavera is easy on the eyes.
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:34 pm quote
tdrake wrote:
Gotta throw in that the I think the smaller bikes are just plain purdier, as well.

I know it's blaspheme, but I think my ideal setup would be a Sprint AND a full on motorcycle for the highways, but that ain't gonna happen.
This is exactly how I felt when I had a Sprint. And mine was only a 125cc. It is near perfect for what it is. A highway cruiser it isn't. Nor does it have much feel of power - it accelerates quite fast, but with a very gentle feeling.
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:08 pm quote
Get the 300 because your wife likes it. You'll be happy you got enough bike for ALL your purposes and the wifey will be happy you did what she said.
Don't expect a Vespa to be as reliable and low cost to run as your Sym... You'll be glad you bought a Vespa anyway because it's a Vespa.

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Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:23 pm quote
If you feel like making the drive to Htown, you can drive both my 150 LXV and my GTS 300 SS around the Heights and decide for yourself. Very similar to riding in Galveston.

I love both of them, albeit, two very different bikes.

However, everyone that I've let ride them both, says that the 300 is the only way to go.

Almost forgot to mention, with ethanol in our gasoline, fuel injection will be a lot less headaches than carbureted.

PM me if you're interested.
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:25 pm quote
Somebody asked what my last scoot was. Sym symba. Large wheels. And I have a line on another. Problem is the distributor burned down mysteriously for the second time I usa. So no more available and no parts coming from Europe as the didn't release them there. So parts come from Taiwan. Under dures.
http://www.combustioncycles.com/new/symba.php
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Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:29 pm quote
Texasliam wrote:
Somebody asked what my last scoot was. Sym symba. Large wheels. And I have a line on another. Problem is the distributor burned down mysteriously for the second time I usa. So no more available and no parts coming from Europe as the didn't release them there. So parts come from Taiwan. Under dures.
[url]http://www.combustioncycles.com/new/symba.php[/url]
I think I see the problem.
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Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:58 am quote
Ahh...you would not get classical styling, but have you considered big wheel Piaggios? I don't know if the new Medley is imported to US? It has the same latest engine as small Vespas and in absolute terms is propably a better/more versatile scoot. But you get modern Italian styling, not trad.

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Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:28 pm quote
Texasliam wrote:
Somebody asked what my last scoot was. Sym symba. Large wheels. And I have a line on another. Problem is the distributor burned down mysteriously for the second time I usa. So no more available and no parts coming from Europe as the didn't release them there. So parts come from Taiwan. Under dures.
http://www.combustioncycles.com/new/symba.php
Were they the ones that told you about the fire? I think someone's trying to cover his a$$. Alliance Powersports is the distributor for SYM. Yes, the Symba is discontinued, but I'd bet the dealer could get parts from Alliance if they really wanted to.
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Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:48 pm quote
If I could only own 1 scooter, it would be the 300 GTS. I ride mine in town with no difficulties. And I enjoy the heck out of it in the country-side. It is a great all-round scooter.
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Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:23 am quote
Big difference in the weight of the 150 and 300. I have a bad back and RA (Rheumatoid Arthritis). The 300 is way to heavy. My LX is nimble and goes on the center stand very easily. It's carbed and i have 41,000 miles on him and he's still going strong. We don't have a good dealer so a FI is out of the question over here. Got a good mechanic so life is good. Have her try both of them and see what she likes. Can't tell just by looking at them. Good luck and tell us what you decided.
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Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:29 pm quote
Make a road trip to Austin and come ride them both.
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Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:45 am quote
My advice would be to ride 'em before deciding - only way to tell.

And, yes, I'll put in a good word for the GTS, in my case the 300: When I decided to get a scooter over a motorcycle (per request from Sig. Other), I resisted the nudging from a few friends to go "maxi" (Burgman/Max/etc.) but absolutely insisted on something highway legal, not merely kinda-sorta "highway-capable." And it had to retain a decent degree of true scooterish nimbleness. Can't say I've regretted getting my GTS one moment. Much of my local riding is generally <45mph, but I've had frequent trips north of 60, and awfully glad to have had that reserve power at hand. (And, yes, on the open road, it is more fun...no use denying it.)

Again, it's up to you to ride, then decide. (And, yes, for goodness' sake, let us know.)


P.S. While a 150 can likely manage two-up riding without much trouble, the 250/300 takes on a pillion effortlessly...maybe the wife's enthusiasm for the GTS is dropping a none-too-subtle hint?
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Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:05 am quote
Not an easy decision.
I have all three, Symba, LX150 and GTS250ie.
When I want to ride on the freeway, it's GTS.
Around town or hauling the bike in the van, it's the LX150.
When puttering about the town and a little bit of trail riding, it's the Symba.

You'd be able to get two LX150 used for under the price of one GTS; a his and hers.

You really can't go wrong with either model. From your explanation of riding at about 40mph on curvy roads, as said earlier in the thread, the LX150 would be optimal. Should you buy the GTS, I don't think you'd be using it to its full potential.
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Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:55 pm quote
I am focused on your mission. First, buy what your wife prefers unless you have a specific objection, which it sounds like you don't. If your wife has no preference I'd go with the 150cc, either Sprint or a used S150. My logic is simple, lower cost, easier handling and meets your needs.

I'm not just being practical, I have 3 small frame Vespa's and they are simply a joy to ride and lovely to look at, so they satisfy both my heart and my mind.

If it's a Vespa you can't go too wrong, best of luck with your decision.
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:10 pm quote
still thinking
lots of things to consider, that I hadn't thought of. Like this. "You'd be able to get two LX150 used for under the price of one GTS; a his and hers." thanks for your input all.
Ill let you know how it goes,, right now its GTV vs LSV. Girl likes that leather. damn those top cases are expensive with leather trim.
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:33 pm quote
My 2006 LX150 was stolen in late November and I just bought a 2005 GT200. I was in the market for another 150, but the 200 popped up and was at my price point.

I commute daily with lots of in-town corners and a roundabout, but rarely over 40mph. I rode the 150 for almost 10 years and have only had the 200 for one week, but I think the city handling and agility between the two is comparable. However, the differences are still pronounced; I was surprised at the additional weight and what an added 50cc really brings to a scoot. It's a completely different experience just between a 150 and 200; I would suggest riding both if you have an opportunity.
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:00 pm quote
lisantica wrote:
Should you buy the GTS, I don't think you'd be using it to its full potential.
I would guess that most anyone who acquires a GTS, soon begins to discover some of its full potential.
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:25 am quote
250/300ie Quasar engine is really durable with low fuel consumption. Power is always good to have and fun. Ebay is full of used cheap parts what means unexpensive repairs if needed.
Try both and decide;-)
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:08 am quote
I have a GTS250 and a LX150ie.

I purchased the 250 after I had already had the 150 as I wanted a scooter with a better to end speed. The GTS250, in my view, is able to do everything the LX150 can do, but does it better. It is more comfortable, has a smoother engine, more power, better brakes, more stable, smoother ride and carries more stuff while burning about the same amount of petrol. The LX150 is not practical on roads with greater than 80kmh speed limit (50mph). The scooter will go a little bit faster than this, but when you increase the throttle, the engine note changes a little, but the speed doesn't! Well, not for quite a few seconds anyway. I will happily ride the GTS250 on roads with a 110kmh speed limit (68mph). Mind you, here people don't routinely disobey the speed limits like they tend to in the USA - the fines here must be greater

If both scooters were in front of me, I would ride the GTS250 almost every time.

Having said that, my wife loves the LX150. For her, the lighter weight means greater confidence filtering through congested city traffic and no issues manoeuvring it when parking or putting it on the centre stand. I asked her if she would like to replace the LX150 with a newer GTS. She stated she would only consider replacing it with a newer small frame and is not at all interested in the GTS as it is 'too heavy'.

So what does that mean? Pick the one you want. You may like the light weight of the small frame, but you will never hate the power of the GTS I still feel that there is plenty that the GTS can do that a small frame 150 can't, and there is pretty much nothing the 150 can do that the GTS can't.
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:08 pm quote
Jesse_GT wrote:
There's always a third option - the GT 200 has respectable horsepower compared to the more powerful 250 and 300 , is full size, yet has a carb for those who prefer it.

I've only ridden a small number of scooters but big or little - they're all pretty nimble. I'd say the primary decision is on what fits you better than on power. Power appears not to be a primary concern based on your description.
Second that, the GT200 is great
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:00 pm quote
The new Primavera/Sprints are way cool and their capabilities far surpass your needs. I'm not a fan of the GTS for city riding.
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:39 pm quote
I guess the best way to find what's right for you is to try them. I bought a GTS300 for wife who found it too big and heavy as she is fairly short. It scared the crap out of her as she almost dropped it first go and it's quite a heavy bike at nearly 150kg. Very bad for the confidence. So I got her a Sprint 150 and it seems perfect. Much lighter and slimmer and she is off and running now and able to manoeuvre it around the garage etc with ease. I have claimed the GTS now, I love it! My 600cc Yamaha is now parked at the back of the garage.
Back on topic the 150 seems very capable for zipping around town, good acceleration and I think the red colour makes it go faster hehe
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Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:19 am quote
AF1 Racing wrote:
Make a road trip to Austin and come ride them both.
There you go! You really should look at both options and put each on the centerstand . Take the wife on the trip too.
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Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:51 am quote
Don't worry about getting a fuel injected bike like the GTS300. There is no maintenance required, unlike carbs which do need a tweak now and again. Fuel injection is far more efficient and gives a nice crip throttle response. Oh...my advice, get the GTS300 for sure, they are equally at home in the town/city or on the highway. It's the only scoot you ever need for most things. Great for two up work as well. Good luck!
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