The Death of Victory Motorcycles
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Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:47 pm quote
Bummer. I liked how they rode and the competition that Victory provided to HD. I was really hoping they would have some affordable, American made (non v-twin) mid range bikes. Sadly they were priced to close to HD for a product with poor fit and finish and designs too close to Indian models.
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Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:12 pm quote
It makes sense.... my local dealer (I get 2 stroke oil there sometimes, and my helmets) had a ton of the Victory bikes there, and to me they all seemed a bit "one note". Also, their Indian sales really took a chunk out of their Victory line.

I'm waiting to see the new Indian smaller bike.... I liked the Scout, more my style, and my Dad was an Indian guy from way back in their ending days (late 40's, early 50's).

I understand that they wanted to go after the Harley market.... anyone with a brain knows that if you can capture a small percentage of the Harley market you can do just fine. But it's too bad they never expanded into making a whole line of motorcycles, like Honda or Yamaha... where they make entry-level bikes, a sporty bike, and some mid-range stuff.

But then again, sooo many people are purely thinking "Harley Harley Harley". Seems like some of my friends are new to motorsports (or returning in their 40s and 50s) and almost all of them went straight to Harley. No thinking, no shopping, just get me a Harley and ride.

But then isn't that similar to what happens in the scooter market? Some people just think "gotta get me a Vespa".... without looking at anything else
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Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:18 pm quote
I really wanted to like Victory. When they were first introduced I found a dealer (not easy back then) and haggled a test ride (also not easy then). It left me stranded for a time as I made a repair to the shifter that had come apart. I decided to let them do a little more design and engineering work. Later I considered them again but found their styling a little wrong for me by then. Mostly this is just another shoe dropping on the North American motorcycle market tumble. They are keeping the jewelry stuff and jettisoning the everyday portion. This tells you a lot of where they think the market is going.

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Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:36 pm quote
At least the latest reincarnation of Indian soldiers on. I couldn't bear to have it shutdown one more time.
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Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:46 pm quote
I had a victory cross road, I liked it a lot. After three Harleys the victory was a pleasure to ride. I let it go because it was heavy and at my age (69) I wanted something lighter. So I got bv500. Great scooter: fast, responsive, easy to work on and fun to ride.
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Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:25 pm quote
Larrytsg wrote:
But then isn't that similar to what happens in the scooter market? Some people just think "gotta get me a Vespa".... without looking at anything else
Well pish, it's not like there are any other decent scooters out there.

This is me, running and hiding....
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Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:44 pm quote
They didn't fair well in the yearly poll on reliability, nor did anything Polaris.
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Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:23 pm quote
Harley Davidson has the cruiser market covered. Hopefully Indian, Moto Guzzi California/Flying Fortress/Eldorado and Kawasaki Vulcan donít see the same fate.
I think the Honda Gold Wing is safe as they have a strong following.
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Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:54 pm quote
I wonder how many of these dogs they sold?


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Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:11 pm quote
Riding the Big Cruiser
Everyone has their own taste in two wheeled vehicles. This is
usually a combination of idealized image and function.

I have never been drawn to large heavy displacement cruisers.
God bless those Harley Boys, they have to be way into idealized
image, because the the machine vibrates to the point of
rattling, it is to hot and to heavy.

Like a bunch of us, I first rode motorcycles. I preferred the
under 600cc machines for their lower weight and nimble
handling. It was easy for me to come to scooters.

They are simply more fun to ride. The smaller, the more
fun to ride. For function, I love my Vespa 300's range.
Great in Town and on the Express way.

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Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:08 pm quote
This is a lot like our segment. There is a brand for this type of motorcycle and people are loyal to it. Other brands take a shot here and there and many of them fail. It subsequently creates an unpleasant monopoly. Vespa is Vespa just like HD is HD. Not that one bike is better than the other, it's just a segment dominated by a single powerful brand. We crave seeing new bikes to give them healthy competition but in the end, many brands enter and most end up leaving.
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Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:17 pm quote
Claude wrote:
I wonder how many of these dogs they sold?
It's the one I see most. I don't understand it either, but there you go.
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:52 am quote
Love my 2015 Indian Chief Vintage but I can honestly say riding my 2016 Vespa GTS 300 is so much more enjoyable and fun.So much so I recently traded in my 2013 GTS 300 for the 2016 with the ABS and traction control.


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Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:31 am quote
Your Indian Motorcycle is beautiful!

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Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:35 am quote
The decision by Polaris to drop Victory was simple.

There is much more upside to the Indian line than the Victory line.

Indian has name recognition and some features that make it instantly recognizable where the Victory line was simply generic cruiser.
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:03 am quote
Heavy, under powered. But not bad looking.
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:32 am quote
I'd really consider buying a Scout...if they had mid-mount pegs underneath you. The cruiser riding position, wind-up-your-trousers, doesn't appeal to me. Too many years of flat landings on skate/snowboards means my back is a bit shot.

I like pictures of vintage Harley's and Indians, with their original seating position, where you can stand on the pegs on rough roads. Some of the vintage Harley's have the same tractor seat I love on my '64 Allstate/Vespa. Sometimes, the old ways are the best ways. Anyway, RIP Victory. The people who ride them seem like pretty nice iconoclasts, I guess that's who Victory attracted.
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:35 am quote
Mwood7800 wrote:
Heavy, under powered. But not bad looking.
Which one, the Indian or the Victory?
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:26 pm quote

Love that Indian. All it needs is a sidecar. One's on the list for my 80th birthday coming up next year.
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Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:45 pm quote
Beautiful Indian!! I liked the Victory look but those big cruisers are just too big for me to handle so have never even rode one.

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Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:06 pm quote
I had one of the early models. Well built, but many had problems with trans jump out of gear. Mine did not. However This was definitely a safety problem. Polaris chose to offer an upgraded trans at a discount, instead of eating it and going about it the right way IMO. I put a Different eprom, pipes in mine and it ran hard. Mileage was about 30 mpg after that, but what a thrill. They had a good product in Victory. Had they fixed the first ones, I would think word of mouth may have had enough impact to gain customers. However I would bet by having the "Indian" brand now they are going to push on Harley pretty hard. IMO.
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:00 am quote
No loss IMO afa motorcycles go. There is something that doesn't sit well with me when I see these bikes. Too bad this affects livelihoods of people, though. I like the look of the new Indian bikes, even though cruisers are not my style.
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:50 am quote
My dad owned a Indian. When he married my mom she made him sell it when i was born. However my love of riding came from him. He bought me a mini bike when i was 8 (mom didn't like that either ) and another generation got hooked. Never wanted a MC but always rocked scooters.
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Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:42 am quote
I own a victory cross country 2015 also had a few Harley's
Generally I like most bikes but the Vic is a great bike and a keeper
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Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:22 am quote
No more George Jetson bikes?

My dad had 1930s-40s era Indians and always spoke fondly of them.
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Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:37 am quote
Route 66 Lawdog wrote:
No more George Jetson bikes?

My dad had 1930s-40s era Indians and always spoke fondly of them.
More reminiscent of an Art Deco styling from Buck Rogers of the 24th Century in my eye...
Big bike, not something I'd personally want to ride, but they sure do look cool.
Indians as well, even the newer ones, great looking bikes but too much bike for me.
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