Smallframe with a P200 engine?
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:57 am quote
That's too bad you had to modify the exhaust....but nevertheless awesome job! For the sake of it that guy still has a few pm tuning pipes left. Dont pay full price. He had mine listed at 149 and he accepted 100.
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:35 am quote
Re: For the sake of it
None of them seem to have silencers so I guess you gotta find a silencer to mount on the end, but at least there are options for silencers on PM tuning website!

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Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:35 am quote
Roliver1972 wrote:
That's too bad you had to modify the exhaust....but nevertheless awesome job! For the sake of it that guy still has a few pm tuning pipes left. Dont pay full price. He had mine listed at 149 and he accepted 100.
I was so excited to actually find one of those pipes I paid his asking price...which was still way less than getting one from SIP. I didnít see the ďmake offerĒ because I clicked ďbuy it nowĒ too quickly. Oh well, we were both happy, so itís a win win. If I decide to go after a second one, now I know to offer a little less $.

I was a bit skeptical before I even got the pipe that it would even fit. It was a quick and simple fix, so no skin off my back. Plus I got to relocate the main body of the pipe exactly where I wanted it.
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:01 pm quote
The main reason I wanted an up and over pipe was because I have a goitered lump hanging out the side of the scooter. I wanted to hide the engine a little bit, so I decided to hide it with an obnoxious looking pipe.

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Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:04 pm quote
I had to cut out part of the PK cowl a smidge to gain the clearance to get the pipe fitted. Thereís plenty of clearance at full suspension travel.

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Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:16 pm quote
I temporarily have a 226 Vintage end can bolted up to the pipe for preliminary jetting and testing. Iíll switch the van out to something else a little less blue at some point soon. Iím also planning on coating the expansion chamber with something. Iím not 100% sure just yet, but I was looking at getting a cerma-coating on it. The company I called that does the coating has it in a white color. A white would definitely match the theme of the scoot, but I have concerns about keeping it white for a ride thatís longer than 50 miles! One of my friendís did surprise me with an Amazon package that he had delivered to my house. I was trying to figure out what the item was in the box, and it was high-temp exhaust wrap...but can anyone here want to take a crack at what color it is?

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Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:05 pm quote
That thing looks fast!
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Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:49 am quote
whodatschrome wrote:
...but can anyone here want to take a crack at what color it is?
Pink?
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Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:16 pm quote
I think I'd like to take a spin on that thing, I like pink.....
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Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:56 pm quote
Damn Whodat - just looking back through - those are some mighty fine welds. Wondering why I am allowing any of my welds to show in my own pics now.
Did you TIG the pipe when you put the new bracket on?
Set up looks bad ass with the intestine shaped pipe doing its curly cue thing over the motor. Nice!
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Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:43 pm quote
Ginch wrote:
whodatschrome wrote:
...but can anyone here want to take a crack at what color it is?
Pink?
WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!

Yeah, I was trying to figure out what it was for about 15 minutes. I figured Amazon accidentally shipped a roll of Floridadian lawn furniture repair webbing. I finally peeled back the clear packaging and felt the material, and then instantly knew what it was. My buddy got me pretty good on that one. I do hope to utilize it though!

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Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:49 pm quote
swiss1939 wrote:
That thing looks fast!
My goal is to make is LOOK faster than it really is, so that part of the project is a success. Weíll see how well the PM Tuning pipe works with a stock 200 engine though. Normally expansion chambers and a stock engine (non-ported mind you) isnít a good combo.
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Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:59 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
I think I'd like to take a spin on that thing, I like pink.....
EVERYONE so far loves the color! I did a 100 mile highway ride back in November and everyone was was giving me a thumbs up on the highway! I got LOTS of laughs and smiles from all sorts...women, girls, redneck dudes, old people, little girls, even high school age guys. This scooter could be my secret weapon to getting dates even! I think I almost stole a redneckís girlfriend away from him. They were parked (in his huge jacked up pickem up truck), and when I rode by, she jumped out and pointed at me. The dude was bummed. I should start carrying a spare helmet with me now...you know, just in case someone else needs a ride.
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Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:18 pm quote
That retro pipe just goes with the look. Like it.

The pipe will look like a "pig in a blanket" with that tape on but will reduce the burn for you and anyone that might happen to want a ride.

Why not put the Alpha kit on?
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Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:46 pm quote
charlieman22 wrote:
Damn Whodat - just looking back through - those are some mighty fine welds. Wondering why I am allowing any of my welds to show in my own pics now.
Did you TIG the pipe when you put the new bracket on?
Set up looks bad ass with the intestine shaped pipe doing its curly cue thing over the motor. Nice!
The welds came out alright for MIG welding the bracket back on. I used my little Lincoln 110 (.030 solid core wire). I did a continuous stitch. Itís where you turn the heat up a little more than usual, and then do pretty much a continuous spot weld. By doing that you less heat is built up on the metal that youíre welding on. Plus you can shape your weld puddle how you want it to look a little bit. Itís fairly easy to do on light gauge sheet metal since the material can easily be penetrated correctly. Itís probably not something that should be done on heavier gauge steel since the weld wonít get deep enough.

Iíve been welding for years. Nothing professional per say (and no certification), but I have done lots of welding for my carpentery work. Iíve welded up quite a few handrails for both residential and commercial properties (and sk8 parks too!). I also have done lots of automotive repair that required welding too. I enjoy it quite a bit as a hobby, but welding outside in the sweltering sun (or freezing cold torrential rain) at a jobsite can get a little old real quick!

I think the trick to make your welds look nicer is to take a low quality picture of it with an old flip phone. If someone complains about it not having ďstacked dimesĒ, just explain to them that those are just pixels.

I currently have 3 welders. A Lincoln 110, a Esab 260 (which I really love), and an old Lincoln/Onan arc welder/generator thatís lays down some very nice weld beads. That machine has got to weigh somewhere over 500lbs! I can weld 1/2Ē plate single pass with it! It has an electric start (that takes two 12v car batteries). Recently the horse got loose in the barn and kicked the the old exhaust mufflers for it, and the exhaust manifold broke. I found a NOS manifold and made my own exhaust. It used to have super loud ďpepper shakerĒ mufflers, but I got a free stainless steel muffler from my friendís exhaust shop, and fabbed up a steampunk-esque exhaust for it. Itís pretty hilarious looking. Iím hoping the unequal head tube lengths will create a scavenging effect, there by giving it 5 extra JDM horsepower.

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Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:14 am quote
Jack221 wrote:
That retro pipe just goes with the look. Like it.

The pipe will look like a "pig in a blanket" with that tape on but will reduce the burn for you and anyone that might happen to want a ride.

Why not put the Alpha kit on?
Thank you for the compliment Jack. And that's spot on with the pin in a blanket comment. I had to laugh at that one! I suppose i could also just wrap that fiberglass cloth around my bare leg instead. It would definitely be easier than wrapping it around that pipe...cause that pipe does get really hot, even through a pair of jeans. I can't imagine shorts and flipflops. If i went that route, i'd probably need to get a good set of tweezers to put in my glovebox tool kit...in order to pluck out all the fiberglass shards that are stuck in my skin.

About me and tuning kits...in the past i've had a few various kits on different scooters; the old cast iron Polini 208, Jet200 TS1 240, Serveta BGM RT225, HRS 200 Alpha kit. The kits were fun, but they never had the reliability of a stock 200 top end. And it wasn't just the top end per-say...it's what the top end would do to the bottom end of the transmissions. I still have a few tuned scooters, but i find that they aren't ideal for the type of riding that i do. Most of it it commuting on the highway, so if i go out to the city and back, i'm usually logging in 60 to 80 miles. That kind of miles adds up to LOTS of wear and tear on the whole engine. I found that i had way less maintenance with a stock top end. Plus i got to keep my autolube. I still have my T5 172 track bike, and one of my Lammy's engine is currently under the knife waiting for a 5 speed and a reeded 225 Mugello (and if i like the Mugello my other Lammy will probably getting the same kit as well). I will probably also be kitting my PK125 this summer with a Parmakit (using one of their more mild touring based kits). So that's kinda my tuning experience story. I have more reasons why, such as when i was racing scooters for about 5 years, the guys i was racing with were always having either carb, clutch, transmission, or piston issues. Same thing when at rally's. The tuned scooters (if not tuned correctly) would seems to get a ride back to town in the "sag wagon".

So, yes i still have a cast iron Polini 208 and a HRS Alpha kit on my shelf. The exhaust port (from what i remember, and that was about 12 years ago!) was a bit on the wide side for day to day commuting, logging thousands of miles. I now just like just slapping on a 24/24 carb on stock 200 and just go. There's no thinking involved on my part for that setup!

So if a guy knows how to correctly tune in a kitted scooter (and add in all the expensive ancillary item too) to make it super reliable, then i'm 100% for it. I just get bummed when i see others get holes in pistons and other broken transmission bits. If they know it's all part of the game, then i don't feel as bad. But i do feel bad for the newcomers who don't have the knowledge to make them reliable.
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:01 am quote
The tape fibres will be easier to manage than the burns.

To tune or not to tune? Is a big question but tune doesn't have to mean tune for racing. Could be tuned for commuting. I appreciate there are a lot of people in the same situation that like the standard to 200 as it is. If it is fast enough for your needs then why touch it. For me the main issue was always the slowing down uphill or into the wind, especially when 2 up or with heavy luggage.

Stock but tuned enough to not slow down on hills and keep up with traffic was the goal with my PX200. Mine just has a SIP road II, 26/26 with VRX, sport Cosa clutch and a 68mm piston, with stock iron cylinder tuned like my version of Al's Alpha and stock head re-profiled. Now does 70mph uphill into the wind. Can't remember how many years ago since I last split it but its been a few....and done about 10,000 miles since (I have a lot of bikes and like to ride them all). Road tuning doesn't mean un-reliable. Bad jetting is the usual suspect. When tuned it's really difficult to get SI jetting right, but get it right, change gear well, treat it with respect and road tuned is just like stock but can go faster if you want it to.

Riding a pink PK making that kind of noise, it needs to be faster.
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