Is there an epidemic of Vespa thefts in North London?
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Wed May 03, 2017 11:18 pm quote
I had to make an unexpected stop at Chelsea & Westminster hospital on my way home from work yesterday, I didn't have my chain with me as I don't need it at the secure office car park. I left my GTS250 in the underground car park underneath the hospital in the dedicated motorcycle section where each space has a ground anchor, but I had no chain.

I was only in the hospital maybe 10 minutes, when I came back to the car park there were two young guys scoping out all the parked bikes. They were on 50cc 2 stroke scooters that were parked but still running and they were walking up and down the rows of parked bikes. I'm sure that if I was another 5 minutes my scoot would have been nicked.
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Wed May 03, 2017 11:30 pm quote
Sounds typical and I think you had a lucky escape. I know of at least one London friend on MV who had her GTS nicked like that during a 'quick run to the shops'. It was gone in that 5-10 minute window in broad daylight, a few years ago know before the theft rate got even higher to where it is now.
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Thu May 04, 2017 7:34 am quote
So i just saw where you guys have police cars that can scan license plates as it's driving around. If the driver has any infractions or the car is stolen it alerts the cop. Wow. Do they use this for scooters/MC'S also? Between the CCTV and those cars, big brother is really watching you over there.
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Thu May 04, 2017 9:05 am quote
judy wrote:
So i just saw where you guys have police cars that can scan license plates as it's driving around. If the driver has any infractions or the car is stolen it alerts the cop. Wow.
We've had it for a couple of years. They say they only look for plates with an outstanding crime and throw away all other data gathered but it's not hard to imagine the data being kept for much longer to track where vehicles have been or what vehicles were in the vicinity of a crime. Whether it's a good or a bad thing depends on your point of view.
judy wrote:
Do they use this for scooters/MC'S also? Between the CCTV and those cars, big brother is really watching you over there.
If they spotted a stolen scooter then they wouldn't give chase as the little darlings might hurt themselves. Civil rights and data protection are likely to take a back seat here as we separate from the EU.

PS the police in the US do the same using both static cameras and car mounted cameras.
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Thu May 04, 2017 10:45 am quote
Just fitted a Piaggio steering lock to my Beverly.

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Thu May 04, 2017 12:53 pm quote
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Just fitted a Piaggio steering lock to my Beverly.
excellent. do you have a part number or anymore info on that? Cost? source?
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Thu May 04, 2017 11:15 pm quote
Search for handlebar lock vespa. It's easy to find.

Mine was £120 pounds, the same as a top quality Oxford chain. But is conveniently located whereas a heavy chain is less easily transportable.

It is a hefty bit of kit and we'll designed to stop casual attacks , such as a lock with an anri-drill feature.
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Fri May 05, 2017 5:20 am quote
Latest instalment in this series....

A recent model GTS clearly being used in one of the photographs.

I keep wondering what might be the tipping point that makes police take a different strategy, but given we've already have one murder of a man trying to protect his scooter from theft (Ricky Hatton) , I don't see any likelihood of that happening any time yet....

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/terrifying-moment-west-end-motorbike-raiders-wielding-hammer-and-crowbar-target-pedestrians-a3531461.html#gallery
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Fri May 05, 2017 5:49 am quote
brown_beret7 wrote:
Latest instalment in this series.... :evil:

A recent model GTS clearly being used in one of the photographs.

I keep wondering what might be the tipping point that makes police take a different strategy, but given we've already have one murder of a man trying to protect his scooter from theft (Ricky Hatton) , I don't see any likelihood of that happening any time yet....

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/terrifying-moment-west-end-motorbike-raiders-wielding-hammer-and-crowbar-target-pedestrians-a3531461.html#gallery
~~~that wouldn't go down where I live, we're armed. We're a polite society, yet well armed
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Fri May 05, 2017 9:03 am quote
R while we do have what you say i don't think they use them like yours does. Could be way wrong. Hopefully somebody will chime in that knows. We had white vans that had cameras in them (outside company and not police), They gave speeding ticket (sent via mail) and anybody who contested the tickets in court got the charges dropped. Here,police have to issue the ticket.
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Fri May 05, 2017 9:11 am quote
shakin_jake wrote:
brown_beret7 wrote:
Latest instalment in this series....

A recent model GTS clearly being used in one of the photographs.

I keep wondering what might be the tipping point that makes police take a different strategy, but given we've already have one murder of a man trying to protect his scooter from theft (Ricky Hatton) , I don't see any likelihood of that happening any time yet....

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/terrifying-moment-west-end-motorbike-raiders-wielding-hammer-and-crowbar-target-pedestrians-a3531461.html#gallery
~~~that wouldn't go down where I live, we're armed. We're a polite society, yet well armed
Amen: in America those thugs would be wielding Glocks and saying "please".
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Fri May 05, 2017 11:45 am quote
shakin_jake wrote:
brown_beret7 wrote:
Latest instalment in this series....

A recent model GTS clearly being used in one of the photographs.

I keep wondering what might be the tipping point that makes police take a different strategy, but given we've already have one murder of a man trying to protect his scooter from theft (Ricky Hatton) , I don't see any likelihood of that happening any time yet....

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/terrifying-moment-west-end-motorbike-raiders-wielding-hammer-and-crowbar-target-pedestrians-a3531461.html#gallery
~~~that wouldn't go down where I live, we're armed. We're a polite society, yet well armed
Yeah! meaning these criminals could easily get hold of and ride around with Assault rifles etc.

Is that really something to be proud of?
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Fri May 05, 2017 3:59 pm quote
Knock off the gun debate chaps.
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Sat May 06, 2017 1:06 am quote
Well at least it is not a gun, knife or hammer this time

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Tue May 09, 2017 3:30 am quote
Steal a GTS300...

Steal an iPhone...




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Tue May 09, 2017 4:48 am quote
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/09/police-in-london-consider-tougher-tactics-against-moped-gangs

"Police are talking to moped makers about making them harder to steal."

Pigs will fly before that happens
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Mon May 15, 2017 1:46 am quote
When my GTS 250 finally gets stolen I'd kind of already decided to replace it with a Honda SH300i as I had one as a loaner bike for a while and thought it was great (ignoring the looks). I also thought the H.I.S.S. security system/immobiliser used by Honda worked. Wrong.

A few weeks ago a friend of mine had his SH300i stolen from Richmond. As the bike was gone he didn't really know how they managed to steal it. The police recovered it and he's been able to work out how they did it. They broke his chain and pushed it away to somewhere private then changed out the ECU with one of theirs that worked with their key.

He paid the £150 "release fee" to the Met Police and now has a SH300i with no ECU (the police kept it) , a broken steering lock, broken ignition switch and broken rear panel (to gain access to the ECU.

So all in all it's just as easy to steal a Honda SH300i as it is to steal a Vespa GTS.

I'm starting to think I might go back to a big boy bike when mine gets nicked. Something like an Africa Twin DCT is probably quiet good in traffic.
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Mon May 15, 2017 2:23 am quote
paralla wrote:
So all in all it's just as easy to steal a Honda SH300i as it is to steal a Vespa GTS.
Where there's the will, there's a way, sadly.

I see the TMax is also top of the stealable tables, so we can't really call Piaggio for being that deficient with their anti theft setup (if you can really call it that). I'm with MelBelle on the likelihood that manufacturers will really put a whole lot of effort into security for a very localised problem in London - optimism = nil, really
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Mon May 15, 2017 2:53 am quote
paralla wrote:
So all in all it's just as easy to steal a Honda SH300i as it is to steal a Vespa GTS.

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The new SH300's (from 2016 onwards) don't have an ignition key
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Tue May 16, 2017 4:31 am quote
Nomad68 wrote:
paralla wrote:
So all in all it's just as easy to steal a Honda SH300i as it is to steal a Vespa GTS.

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The new SH300's (from 2016 onwards) don't have an ignition key
That might work then, certainly looks convenient.
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Tue May 16, 2017 5:39 am quote
Sometimes I'm in a really sketchy area of Orlando. Anything with two wheels will suddenly disappear. I've been using the club that I bought on Amazon. Designed for autos, but works perfectly to lock my GTS center stand. I store it in the pet carrier. By no means a perfect solution. Just a simple hindrance for that quick snatch and ride.


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Tue May 16, 2017 6:00 am quote
MelBelle wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/09/police-in-london-consider-tougher-tactics-against-moped-gangs

"Police are talking to moped makers about making them harder to steal."

Pigs will fly before that happens
These people are really dangerous. It sure doesn't play well in the tourist trade for London, I wouldn't think.
Now that tourists may become targets, it will definitely get the attention of the powers that be.
Too bad.
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Tue May 16, 2017 6:07 am quote
I've been telling my partner about the scooter theft problem for ages now and how its a minor miracle that mine hasn't been stolen yet, it went in one ear and out the other right up until the past few months since it's started being reported in mainstream media, suddenly he's trying to tell me about the problem.
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Sat May 20, 2017 12:42 am quote
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/revealed-scooter-gangs-commit-50000-crimes-in-london-each-year-a3543291.html

There is definitely a problem but I wonder how the figures stack up against other large cities in Europe etc. I remember seeing a snatch and grab from a scooter in Milan some 20 years ago.

If you are worried about visiting London from across the pond I would not be too concerned. London is significantly larger than your average US city so the statistics reported need some context. The chances of encountering what is being shown in the media as a tourist is still pretty small.
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Sat May 20, 2017 4:40 am quote
johnymoore wrote:
The chances of encountering what is being shown in the media as a tourist is still pretty small.
Without being too negative, this is far from the truth.

Back when the thefts were getting a real issue (~2015) I was surprised how I had never come across from any of these twats, especially as I live on an estate with a high percentage of travellers already known to police.

Fast forward to now, and I've seen a fair amount of twats on scooters local to me wielding hammers, knives, bats etc.

Add to this the fact the thieves are now arming themselves with fire extinguishers to hijack bikes whilst on the road, things need to change. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/terrifying-moment-moped-gang-attack-biker-with-fire-extinguisher-captured-on-helmetmounted-camera-a3543046.html
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Sat May 20, 2017 4:43 am quote
What do you mean by 'travellers'?
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Sat May 20, 2017 4:48 am quote
Tried to view this link but as seems to be the case these days I could'nt view it as I have adblock installed.
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Sat May 20, 2017 4:54 am quote
Attention wrote:
What do you mean by 'travellers'?
Irish travellers/Gypsies
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Sat May 20, 2017 5:47 am quote
Rusty rope wrote:
Attention wrote:
What do you mean by 'travellers'?
Irish travellers/Gypsies
I see. So they're not stealing the bikes then? Am I right?
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Sat May 20, 2017 6:05 am quote
Attention wrote:
Rusty rope wrote:
Attention wrote:
What do you mean by 'travellers'?
Irish travellers/Gypsies
I see. So they're not stealing the bikes then? Am I right?
They're stealing the odd scooter, but they only really target the pizza companies. Ride them around and burn them out after.

The real issue is coming from the chums in the "gangs" thinking they're in some ghetto hood out of GTA.
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Sat May 20, 2017 7:12 am quote
I get yer now. Thanks.
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Sat May 20, 2017 7:25 am quote
Attention wrote:
Tried to view this link but as seems to be the case these days I could'nt view it as I have adblock installed.
I have Adblock Plus and Privacy Badger installed, and yet I could see that content OK?
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Sat May 20, 2017 7:45 am quote
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Attention wrote:
Tried to view this link but as seems to be the case these days I could'nt view it as I have adblock installed.
I have Adblock Plus and Privacy Badger installed, and yet I could see that content OK?
I have adblock and adblockplus installed and the message I got was that I needed to turn my ad blocking appn off to view the content. I'm using Chrome but maybe as a mod you knew that already. I don't know, computers eh.
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Sat Jun 03, 2017 5:53 am quote
Good for them.
Although the wounding with razors is alarming.
Hopefully the Police will be empowered to take control before someone is killed.
These gang confrontations never have a good outcome.
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Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:26 am quote
EN82pg wrote:
Hopefully the Police will be empowered to take control before someone is killed.
These gang confrontations never have a good outcome.
No sign of that, sadly. We had one murder of Ricky Hayden in December and convictions but while I live outside London I see no signs of change, only an increase in thefts. The issue of police numbers and police on the streets is one of many emotive election issues for many people in the UK just now.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/two-more-charged-in-connection-with-death-of-celebrity-bodyguard-ricky-hayden-in-chadwell-heath-a3426986.html
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Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:51 am quote
There has been a big push on it in the last couple of weeks, a lot more chases being reported in the local news and a few raids.

Not making much difference though, I just saw two go by me 5 mins ago on a silver GT, usual MO, no plate and masked up.
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Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:25 am quote
My insurance just came through today. It used to be £195 for two scooters fully comprehensive. With 10 years with the same insurance company and no claims you'd think it would be pretty static. This year the price has now gone up by 70% to £330. When I rang them up to ask what the hell was going on - I was pretty much told it's a Vespa in London so what did I expect?
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Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:55 pm quote
robinm wrote:
My insurance just came through today. It used to be £195 for two scooters fully comprehensive. With 10 years with the same insurance company and no claims you'd think it would be pretty static. This year the price has now gone up by 70% to £330. When I rang them up to ask what the hell was going on - I was pretty much told it's a Vespa in London so what did I expect?
Don't know if you saw it, Robin, but I had a similar thing a week or two ago for my X10.
I ended up via the comparison sites getting fully comp for £140, but there was only one quote for that amount and all the rest were £300+ (10 yrs+ NCB, fully comp, 5yr old X10 350, parked in private car park at home, also a car owner with 10 yrs+ NCB, no pillion cover, UK riding only).
Good luck finding something fairly priced.
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