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Are you Londoners allowed mace/pepper spray? I would carry the crowd-pleaser size and have eyes in the back of my head
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Madison Sully wrote: glitterballhedgehog wrote: Are you Londoners allowed mace/pepper spray? I would carry the crowd-pleaser size and have eyes in the back of my head |
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jimc wrote: Madison Sully wrote: glitterballhedgehog wrote: Are you Londoners allowed mace/pepper spray? I would carry the crowd-pleaser size and have eyes in the back of my head Cheers! |
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jimc wrote: Madison Sully wrote: glitterballhedgehog wrote: Are you Londoners allowed mace/pepper spray? I would carry the crowd-pleaser size and have eyes in the back of my head Mace for example; if a male is caught with it in his possession he can be charged with possession of a weapon. If a woman is found in possession of Mace, it can be considered for her protection. Go figure. When is a weapon not a weapon? |
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glitterballhedgehog wrote: Are you Londoners allowed mace/pepper spray? I would carry the crowd-pleaser size and have eyes in the back of my head knife guy vs claw hammer guy vs angle grinder guy vs acid guy vs pepper spray guy or tag team combinations of the above.
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johnymoore wrote: glitterballhedgehog wrote: Are you Londoners allowed mace/pepper spray? I would carry the crowd-pleaser size and have eyes in the back of my head knife guy vs claw hammer guy vs angle grinder guy vs acid guy vs pepper spray guy or tag team combinations of the above. Let's contact Donald Trump and see if he thinks if he'd like to buy into it. |
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johnymoore wrote: glitterballhedgehog wrote: Are you Londoners allowed mace/pepper spray? I would carry the crowd-pleaser size and have eyes in the back of my head knife guy vs claw hammer guy vs angle grinder guy vs acid guy vs pepper spray guy or tag team combinations of the above. Or a Japanese with a real samurai. |
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EN82pg wrote: johnymoore wrote: glitterballhedgehog wrote: Are you Londoners allowed mace/pepper spray? I would carry the crowd-pleaser size and have eyes in the back of my head knife guy vs claw hammer guy vs angle grinder guy vs acid guy vs pepper spray guy or tag team combinations of the above. Or a Japanese with a real samurai. That is what allowed the rise of alternate social movements in the 1920's and 30's in Europe. History repeating itself? ⚠️ Last edited by EN82pg on UTC; edited 1 time
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moped gangs
Just read in today's Guardian a 10 strong gang of 'moped robbers', have just all gone down.. Most for 10 to 12 years. Moped nicking armed snatch robbery and smash n grabs at shops with extreme violence. The cops are pleased and have reiterated that they will pursue robbers, even though they ditch their helmets because they think the cops won't pursue them.. The judge did express that these scumbags were well prepared and meticulous in planning their raids.
It was a diverse bunch of robbers which just showed the usual mix of kids in North London.. Bring back football hooliganism that would keep them off the streets. Gass silver machine gts 250 |
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And I thought Johannesburg was gangsters paradise...?
I am surprised that the problem has not yet identified an opportunity for an effective immobiliser / siren that is installed where you have to remove body panels to access. Moving the scoot in any way without prior de-activation would result in a banshee screaming at the top of their lungs. That would enable Police to identify thefts in progress with greater ease. Edit: In South Africa, every motorcycle that changes ownership must be micro-dotted to discourage thefts for parting out. Edit2: I watched a few of the YouTube videos on motorcycle theft in London. Wow! Arrogant and audacious. It does seem though that there is already a "don't want to get involved" attitude by passers-by seeing portable angle grinders at work on disk locks. As for the inputs on Mace, etc. it seems to me that the more "civilised" a country gets, the more rights it takes away from its law-abiding citizens and gives to its criminals... Any object can be used as a weapon - car keys held protruding between the fingers in a fist are able to gouge eyes, etc. For it to be called a weapon, surely one must be able to show intent? |
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EN82pg wrote: johnymoore wrote: glitterballhedgehog wrote: Are you Londoners allowed mace/pepper spray? I would carry the crowd-pleaser size and have eyes in the back of my head knife guy vs claw hammer guy vs angle grinder guy vs acid guy vs pepper spray guy or tag team combinations of the above. Let's contact Donald Trump and see if he thinks if he'd like to buy into it. |
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On a festive note - I was just called by the police and told they've arrested the burglars that did my property a couple of weeks ago.
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ROBIN awesome Hope they get the "book thrown at them". Keep us up to date on what happens.
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London/UK attempting a more civil society
I have enjoyed reading this thread about scooter theft in London. In an
attempt to be fair, safe, and considerate, it seems the bad guys are walking all over the public. Although I am sure they are dedicated, the police struggle with balancing safety, individual rights while pursuing the bad guys. DISCLAIMER: I know you good friends from across the pond view Yankees as John Wayne Cowboys with violence first and respect for rights second. So what I offer as a solution should be measured - after all I am a Yank. I have offered these thoughts in prior posts. Solution: 1. I say the Bad Guys or potential Bad Guys are statistically a small minority. 2. Police officers are intelligent and perceptive. They probably know where these rascals live and congregate. 3. Flood those areas and arrest/detain in large numbers the likely suspects. Charge them with every minor offense - even if it does not stick. Arrest them for spitting in the street, not crossing as a pedestrian at a cross walk, disrespect to a police officer, loitering, disorderly conduct, not having accurate identity documents. Keep this up for a year. 4. This crime zone enforcement works. The attorney General of New York turned New York City from a cesspool of crime into a safe tourist destination. Result: The bad guys are hassled so bad, they are slowed down committing crime or they simply leave town. I know, I know - violation of rights and profiling. It works if the public supports it. Again, I know this is to Cowboy for polite society. Also, most London folks probably don't give a flip about you scooter folks. New York had to do something or give up to crime. Chicago has done nothing and homicides are out of control. Finally, even here, across the pond, the above police activity has been determined to be represent infringement on personal rights. So, like the old Wild West Movies, bad guys beware - there is a new marshal in town. Bob Copeland Frost Bite Falls Minnesota |
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Current trouble in the UK is that Political Correctness and loony liberal attitudes pervade police hierarchy and political parties, especially in London. There's no willingness to tackle lawlessness or even bad behaviour/foul language in the streets any more. We're reaping what we've sown. You're lucky to have a local police station anywhere and as for a copper walking the streets, forget it.
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What you're referring to has been coined "broken windows policing" Enforcing the small laws led to some big fish. It worked thanks to Bill Bratton. When he started receiving accolades, Mayor Giuliani fired him and installed imho, a "yes man" NYC has had fairly drastic regime change, the cops are not supported, and I doubt they are looking to "grab a tiger by the tail" I sincerely hope we do not slide back to the bad old days.
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rjc1944,
Very bold statement on your part. I support your thoughts. I know we try to avoid political statements on this forum. I agree with this approach by ModernVespa. So, I try relate stories and let intelligent folks that populate this form draw their own conclusions. We love scooters and do not want them taken from us. Another story. I had the good fortune of living in Southern Italy for four years while in the US Navy attached to NATO. I had a memorable chance of spending time with British military guys throwing darts and drinking beer. The story: Southern Italy was heavy in poverty. Theft of property was bad. There was no concern with being physically hurt - just watch your wallet and possessions. I bought a Ducati motorcycle and rode it everywhere. I knew I could never let it out of my sight. I even parked it next to outside restaurants were I sat to eat never more than steps away. When I stayed in small villages, I would meet with the local police and ask to leave the Ducati in their police station. When I was due to leave Italy, I sold the bike to another sailor. I told him to keep the bike close. It was stolen within two weeks before I left. Now we are in modern day London. Sad story. Best to all my Vespa friends in the UK. Again sorry for your situation. I expect you will sort it out. Bob Copeland Frost Bite Falls Minnesota (30 below Zero today ) |
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think I may have posted this before or something of a similar nature
main problem in this country is the fact the police are very very short handed they have to call in other forces to do a raid on property round here as there is not enough officers on duty to get a team together our local police station is unmanned but there is always between four and six cars parked outside with no officers to drive them in London they have now set up a team to try and stop the scooter crime but its only four strong at the moment and we(a bike club I am a part of) are expecting someone to nick one of the bikes they use as they seem to be out numbered even if the police do manage to make an arrest the crown prosecution either let them off or give them a small fine I could go on but will stop myself prisons here are overfull so it takes a lot to actually be sentenced to do any time |
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rjc1944 wrote: There's no willingness to tackle lawlessness or even bad behaviour/foul language in the streets any more. My friend and I were standing next to all this, and at some point, when the exchange between the mum and the girls started to get heated, I turned around to the girls and said 'Ladies, leave it out. She's got three young kids with her.' That shut them up for a minute, then they started on my friend and I. I'll spare you the full details of the exchange, but at one point, one of the young women got up and started pushing my friend and I around. She grabbed me by the wrist and screamed into my face 'are you getting physical with me????' - when I pointed out that she was the one pushing and grabbing me, she sat back down, but they continued screaming obscenities and uttering threats. At this point my friend - who is highly eloquent and of an imposing physical presence - stepped in and began telling the young women exactly how pathetic they were. The mum - who turned out to be a nurse and used to dealing with all sorts of nonsense - was giving them an earful as well. I leant down and started comforting the children, who were all crying by that time. We alighted a couple of stops before they did, but by this time, the entire carriage had turned against the two young lovelies, security had been called, and the pair of them were starting to look rather anxious. I doubt they'll take a second to reflect on the incident - and if they do, they'll probably still manage to convince themselves that it's their god-given right to do and say whatever they want whenever they want. Still, it was good to see that they were vastly outnumbered on that occasion by people who weren't afraid to do the right thing.
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personally I dislike iPhones (idiot phones, made for...) however, they do have 1 good feature... "find my iPhone" ...get a prepaid 365day plan, hide phone somewhere (with trickle charge or similar to keep it charged), then if it get nicked simply "find your iPhone "
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Video of machete-wielding gang of thugs ramming Vespas (no doubt stolen) into the store's door:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/shocking-moment-moped-thieves-brandishing-12321698 More carnage here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/16/armed-raiders-smoke-bombs-strike-chelsea-jewellers/ Vespa needs to put out GTS300 UK Edition, back to manual clutch and manual shifting! |
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mingo wrote: Video of machete-wielding gang of thugs ramming Vespas (no doubt stolen) into the store's door: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/shocking-moment-moped-thieves-brandishing-12321698 More carnage here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/16/armed-raiders-smoke-bombs-strike-chelsea-jewellers/ Vespa needs to put out GTS300 UK Edition, back to manual clutch and manual shifting! Also just heard (this morning) on the Beeb that recent murders in London have eclipsed New York in the U.S of A. How sad. Anyhoo, London police and the Mayor Sadiq Khan say they have everything under control. I guess that's a positive. |
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Just received this a minute ago. Perhaps that maybe part of the problem with the upsurge of violent criminality?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/violent-crime-london-scotland-yard-budget-cuts-a7681331.html |
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What I find most crazy about this is it ALL (though I doubt that) happens in London.
I'm only 40 miles away and can't see it ever taking off here in Brighton.....or any other city or town. London is becoming too extreme between wealth and poverty. I know it's always been there but as numbers and diversity increase it can only get worse. But any news from the states comparing the two is laughable. Trumps bollocks at that gun rally thing last month......laughable. The last one is very sad with the poor young lady, and pray she recovers... but it's not just the physical is it. |
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northernerbill wrote: What I find most crazy about this is it ALL (though I doubt that) happens in London. I'm only 40 miles away and can't see it ever taking off here in Brighton.....or any other city or town. London is becoming too extreme between wealth and poverty. I know it's always been there but as numbers and diversity increase it can only get worse. But any news from the states comparing the two is laughable. Trumps bollocks at that gun rally thing last month......laughable. The last one is very sad with the poor young lady, and pray she recovers... but it's not just the physical is it. The fact that we have lost over 21,000 police officers in England and Wales over the past 10 years seems to have had the biggest influence on the rising crime rate. |
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ashbrook wrote: northernerbill wrote: What I find most crazy about this is it ALL (though I doubt that) happens in London. I'm only 40 miles away and can't see it ever taking off here in Brighton.....or any other city or town. London is becoming too extreme between wealth and poverty. I know it's always been there but as numbers and diversity increase it can only get worse. But any news from the states comparing the two is laughable. Trumps bollocks at that gun rally thing last month......laughable. The last one is very sad with the poor young lady, and pray she recovers... but it's not just the physical is it. The fact that we have lost over 21,000 police officers in England and Wales over the past 10 years seems to have had the biggest influence on the rising crime rate. Don't know, just curious. |
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Jet Peddler wrote: ashbrook wrote: northernerbill wrote: What I find most crazy about this is it ALL (though I doubt that) happens in London. I'm only 40 miles away and can't see it ever taking off here in Brighton.....or any other city or town. London is becoming too extreme between wealth and poverty. I know it's always been there but as numbers and diversity increase it can only get worse. But any news from the states comparing the two is laughable. Trumps bollocks at that gun rally thing last month......laughable. The last one is very sad with the poor young lady, and pray she recovers... but it's not just the physical is it. The fact that we have lost over 21,000 police officers in England and Wales over the past 10 years seems to have had the biggest influence on the rising crime rate. Don't know, just curious. |
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Jet Peddler wrote: Fair enough. The other couple I recall was Annabelle and her "dead" husband, who wasn't dead at all, and one day returned to Mayberry. I really think you might be onto something... |
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JenniferJupiter wrote: Jet Peddler wrote: Fair enough. The other couple I recall was Annabelle and her "dead" husband, who wasn't dead at all, and one day returned to Mayberry. I really think you might be onto something... |
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