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Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:36 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
Wow, Kimono, your scooter just keeps getting better and better, the old paint now shines so nicely and sounds like you got it running much better now, but two Q's for you. Did you replace the little rubber tipped float needle in the carb and as mentioned, did you reinstall the 'stinky clip'?

Also, looks like your fuel tap may be missing a few pieces.

The 'prefilter' screen and the short tube that somehow gives you 'reserve' gas when you flip the lever to the reserve position. Notice that the newer style tap has no filter on the bottom and yours may not have had one originally. I don't THINK this is a serious problem if you don't run out of gas and given that you do have the tap with a filter on the bottom, but others may be able to say if it is.
Well, thank you, V oodoo!! I appreciate the compliments on Blueís shiny paint. Smoothing her skin was the fun part and I saved it for last (still working on it). I much prefer the exterior beautification project to the interior greasy grunt work, but I realize BOTH are necessary for good scooter health and behavior.

So, to answer your qís, I DID get that stinky clip back on and hope I never have to do it again. And I also DID replace that little miniature red lipstick looking thingy in the carburetor. I had ordered a carb rebuild kit from SW and I just tried to replace everything I recognized that was included in the kit. Wasnít that much, really. The float needle, float bowl, and a few papery gasket/washers. Oh, and one thick rubbery ring. I have a few pics of a nice clean carb if youíd like to see

Now, about these missing fuel tap parts....

CRAP! Please do not tell me I have to take anything back apart. Although it wouldnít be as hard as it was the first time, it would seriously deflate my Almost Done balloon.

My fuel problem still exists, though. Intermittent failure to sustain an idle without blipping the throttle constantly. For some reason, if I run the fuel tank on reserve, it works better, so Iím doing that for now. Weird, because when I had the tank out, I tested the tap and it functioned properly on all three settings.

Cíest la vie. Blue is temperamental, thatís all. She runs when and however she wants. Iím just her little mechanical servant.

Thanks much for the info on the missing tap parts. Maybe THATís part of the mysterious problem....

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Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:37 pm quote
Scrubby dubby with gasoline and a toothbrush

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Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:38 pm quote
It really does look just like a teeny lipstick

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Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:41 pm quote
New fuel line slithering into place with neat wire pulling method

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Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:43 pm quote
And my carb is now fresh as a daisy!

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Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:46 pm quote
Plus, I got to buy two new little toys for this project. A shiny socket wrench set (how did I live without this?) and a headlamp. My family thinks the headlamp is totally nerdy, but it is fantastic!

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Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:21 am quote
Top notch job so far!!! Did you trim the fuel line to the correct length?? If it's too long you'll have fuel starvation problems...

Also don't forget to change the fiber washers and there should be a rubber boot protecting the fuel line...

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:38 pm quote
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This the first I've been on the forum for a couple of weeks. Blue is looking flipping FANTASTIC! Thank you for the pics!

For rust, I sometimes will use 0000 steel wool or a scrubby pad on stubborn rust spots, along with the Magic Compound that you're using. That stuff works wonders.

And teaching the kids how to siphon - a very important life skill. I used to get a mouth full of gas cause I used to use a chunk of garden hose. Nothing like burping the taste of gas all day!
ewww, qa, burping gasoline, YUCK! But ya gotta do what ya gotta do, right?

Thanks for the nice comments and for the tip on the steel wool and compound. I actually was looking back at some of YOUR old posts when I was at Autozone picking out cosmetics for Blue. Sheesh! The paint primping aisle there was bigger and more extensive than the ladiesí make-up selection at Walgreens! So Confusing! I recalled you posting up a pic of your magic trio when you were shining up Ruby, so I tried to find your exact line up. Came close but not exact. Socalguy, Bazziemoto, and gmontag also had some good polishing tips that helped me out.

I used 3 Meguiars products, that Iíve seen mentioned here on the forum. Rubbing compound, #7 Car Glaze, and Premium Wax. I was quite pleased at the ease of use and the very pleasant scents. Price was a bit higher than some of the others brands, but I considered it a luxurious spa treatment for my baby.

I practiced on the inside of my cowl first just to get a feel for the stuff and then kept going on the exterior. I applied one product, wiped it off with clean terrycloth, and then went right to the next product. Hope that was okay? It didnít say to wait......

Blue looks at least 20 years younger now and she is getting quite a big head about it, too. Her skin feels like glass to my fingertips. So Smooooth!!!

I tried the Mothers clay bar at first, but I think thatís intended for paint thatís in better shape than mine. Fun to squish it around tho.

And before I cleaned and polished Blueís outsides, I had go at her insides. Very messy and my hands smelled like engine cleaner for days!

Dirty pics first, then the pretty ones



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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:39 pm quote
Poor thing hasnít been properly cleaned in the three years that Iíve owned her

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:42 pm quote
Blech!!

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:43 pm quote
ďCan I help?Ē

Suuuuure

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:44 pm quote
De-weeded

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:47 pm quote
Better, but not pristine.

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:49 pm quote
On to the fun stuff, but what to choose??? Waaaay too many options.

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:50 pm quote
qaís Magic Trio should be good, judging from his results....

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:52 pm quote
Clay bar was fun to try but not quite muscular enough

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:53 pm quote
My own Magic Trio

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:54 pm quote
All of my paint was dull, but this chippy rusty situation was greatly concerning

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:55 pm quote
This was the worst spot, about silver dollar size

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:57 pm quote
Rub, rub, many luvving rubs, made it better for sure. But not sure if thatís enough to protect the area. Iíd rather not paint it.

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:58 pm quote
Basically just removed the ugly orange tint. Still looks kindascruffy.

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:59 pm quote
The rest of the polishing was more satisfying

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:01 pm quote
Smooth as a babyís

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:03 pm quote
Gleamy!

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:06 pm quote
Finally!

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:14 pm quote
Kimono32 wrote:
Rub, rub, many luvving rubs, made it better for sure. But not sure if thatís enough to protect the area. Iíd rather not paint it.
If you leave it like that, without paint to protect it, it will just rust again.

Wow! You've been busy! Blue looks Awesome!
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:17 pm quote
SaFiS wrote:
Top notch job so far!!! Did you trim the fuel line to the correct length?? If it's too long you'll have fuel starvation problems...

Also don't forget to change the fiber washers and there should be a rubber boot protecting the fuel line...
Thank you, SaFiS!! Um, no, I did not trim that fuel line at all..... figured it came just right from Italy If I keep having issues, Iíll consider fixing that.

I did replace those fiber washers, but didnít know there should be a rubber boot at that banjo juncture. Iíll have to put one in my shopping cart for my next parts order. Thank you for the tips!
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:12 pm quote
Looking great. That Meguiar's Glaze is some kinda magic potion.

I especially like the Micky Mouse taillight.
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Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:27 am quote
I also followed qascooters recommendation and used the three Meguires products on Spermy (http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic168825.4) and I'm really happy with the results.

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Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:49 am quote
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Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:59 am quote
Exactly... it's an homage to the PO/Artist who decorated the whole scooter with those things. It also explains why I call it "Spermy".

It's not as good as Kimono's "Blue", but it's coming along.

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Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:07 pm quote
K- you need to add some new grease to your batwing gear/selector box. The cover will keep it clean but thereís too much metal to metal contact there not to have some grease.

If you donít know what I mean, the pic you labeled blech is the selector box. Throw a big glob of grease where the batwing teeth meet the spring/roller.
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Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:48 am quote
For the rusty spots I recommend getting 2 of the 3 products.
Ospho or Evaporust, & Owatrol.

Use the Ospho to treat the rust spots.
This is a mild phosphoric solution, and will convert the rust (iron oxide) to an inert Iron Phosphate. Hit the heavy scaley spots with fine steel wool. Then paint on the liquid Ospho. It works fast. The dark rusty spots will turn a black color, and the bare metal will take on a dull grey tint. Using this will ensure the rust is gone, and not just covered up.
* I found Ospho at Ace Hardware.
** Beware that it could affect the paint, so dont just slop it on all over. I'd do some masking and use an artist brush to apply sparingly


-OR-
Use the Evaporust to treat the rust spots.
This liquid is a biodegradable 'safe' water based product, which dissolved rust and will not harm any other material. It is very mild, and works a little slowly. Rather than changing the rust, it eats it away; leaving only bare metal behind. makes parts look like new! It is very mild, and I have used it for engine parts, body parts, and more. Works well, and can be reused.
* I found orderd from Amazon
** I have not seen any noticable effect on any other finish other than rust. Paint safe? Looks that way.

Follow either rust treatment with some Owatrol Oil.
Its a oil that penetrates and seals metal against the elements. Can be applied thick with a brush or rag, or many thin layers with a wipe-on wipe-off method. It dried hard and will last for a long time!
* I ordered Owatrol direct form the manufacturer.
** fun fact! Owatrol oil can be used directly over rust with out pretreatment. It will seal it and prevent further rust growth. If you like the look of the rusty spots, skip the treatment and just hit it with the oil!

Follow up with regular Wax and you'll be good for the ages!

Keep up the good work! Good luck!
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Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:57 am quote
WOW K! Blue is looking Sexxxyyyy! I'm liking the final of the trio you used. It looks to really give it some layers and deep shine. Very sweet - Im diggin it...

I hate to give unsolicited advice, but this forum is kinda set up for just that, so here goes.

Something that's bugging me is your petcock (I'm such a juvenile ) or fuel tap. B-62 had the same type, with the filter bowl, and the screens were totally clogged. It's much easier to just replace the whole mechanism, BUT, a special tool is required: http://www.scootermercato.com/Scooter-Parts/Factory-Tools/T-32973. I would recommend next time you have the tank out, buy or borrow the wrench and put in a new fuel tap. It will eliminate a known variable that can cause the bike to not run properly. And notice I said "Next time you have the tank out", not "if you have the tank out again" . Easy Peasy....

Good job K - again, very, very nice!
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Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:02 pm quote
GeekLion wrote:
For the rusty spots I recommend getting 2 of the 3 products.
Ospho or Evaporust, & Owatrol.

Use the Ospho to treat the rust spots.
This is a mild phosphoric solution, and will convert the rust (iron oxide) to an inert Iron Phosphate. Hit the heavy scaley spots with fine steel wool. Then paint on the liquid Ospho. It works fast. The dark rusty spots will turn a black color, and the bare metal will take on a dull grey tint. Using this will ensure the rust is gone, and not just covered up.
* I found Ospho at Ace Hardware.
** Beware that it could affect the paint, so dont just slop it on all over. I'd do some masking and use an artist brush to apply sparingly


-OR-
Use the Evaporust to treat the rust spots.
This liquid is a biodegradable 'safe' water based product, which dissolved rust and will not harm any other material. It is very mild, and works a little slowly. Rather than changing the rust, it eats it away; leaving only bare metal behind. makes parts look like new! It is very mild, and I have used it for engine parts, body parts, and more. Works well, and can be reused.
* I found orderd from Amazon
** I have not seen any noticable effect on any other finish other than rust. Paint safe? Looks that way.

Follow either rust treatment with some Owatrol Oil.
Its a oil that penetrates and seals metal against the elements. Can be applied thick with a brush or rag, or many thin layers with a wipe-on wipe-off method. It dried hard and will last for a long time!
* I ordered Owatrol direct form the manufacturer.
** fun fact! Owatrol oil can be used directly over rust with out pretreatment. It will seal it and prevent further rust growth. If you like the look of the rusty spots, skip the treatment and just hit it with the oil!

Follow up with regular Wax and you'll be good for the ages!

Keep up the good work! Good luck!
Good recommendation on the Ospho. I havenít had any issues with Ospho damaging the existing paint on any of my scooters. But yeah, not something youíd want to blob on everywhere. Iíd still apply a few coats of it (I use a brass bristled brush and scotchbright) to get as much of the cancer removed (preferably 100% of it) before going on to any of the next steps.
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Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:37 pm quote
gmontag wrote:
Looking great. That Meguiar's Glaze is some kinda magic potion.

I especially like the Micky Mouse taillight.
Thanks, g. You are 100% right on the Meguiarís Glaze.

Makes old dull paint look so gloss-zay!

Your recommendation cinched my purchase. Cause youíve got that gorgeous glossywet blue paint. Did you brush the glaze over your emblem?

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Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:46 pm quote
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I also followed qascooters recommendation and used the three Meguires products on Spermy
Hey, Fatbear! Spermy, aka Spiral Mac n Chez (in my mind), has so much great personality! Love that you left one curly noodle on the lower left glovebox corner

Your blue paint is looking terrific! So shiny! Qaís polishing trio works, eh?

The hammerhead shark windscreen/headset is totally retrocool!
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Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:54 pm quote
MJRally wrote:
K- you need to add some new grease to your batwing gear/selector box. The cover will keep it clean but thereís too much metal to metal contact there not to have some grease.

If you donít know what I mean, the pic you labeled blech is the selector box. Throw a big glob of grease where the batwing teeth meet the spring/roller.
Thanks, MJ. Great tip and luckily I chucked a lil blob of wheel bearing grease in that general direction as I was buttoning everything up.

I asked my 6 yo son what in the heck he thought that thick sticky yucky brown stuff was in the gear selector box. He had two guesses. Either brown gum......

Or something much grosser.

6 year olds donít hold back
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Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:07 pm quote
GeekLion wrote:
For the rusty spots I recommend getting 2 of the 3 products.
Ospho or Evaporust, & Owatrol

Keep up the good work! Good luck!
Geekó

One of the best step by step rust tutorials Iíve ever read. THANK YOU!!!

Great info and much appreciated!

I really didnít want to paint the rusted spots because I just knew it would look blotchy and amateur. This Ospho treatment sounds just right to me.

Really appreciate the detailed how-to and the where-to-get.
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Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:15 pm quote
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
Kimono32 wrote:
Rub, rub, many luvving rubs, made it better for sure. But not sure if thatís enough to protect the area. Iíd rather not paint it.
If you leave it like that, without paint to protect it, it will just rust again.

Wow! You've been busy! Blue looks Awesome!
Thanks, JKJ. I know I need to do more to protect those raunchy rust spots..... but what exactly????

Iím reading some tips here and formulating a preservation plan.

Hope youíre riding around like a freebird! Iíll be looking for you on your Red Beauty:P
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