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Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:22 am quote
Kimono32 wrote:
GeekLion wrote:
For the rusty spots I recommend getting 2 of the 3 products.
Ospho or Evaporust, & Owatrol

Keep up the good work! Good luck!
Geekó

One of the best step by step rust tutorials Iíve ever read. THANK YOU!!!

Great info and much appreciated!

I really didnít want to paint the rusted spots because I just knew it would look blotchy and amateur. This Ospho treatment sounds just right to me.

Really appreciate the detailed how-to and the where-to-get.
You are welcome! For reference here is a rusty test panel i treated with Ospho, just on the right hand side. Overall has that grey color, and you can just make out some of the dark 'black-ish' spots toward the center. Only the very heavy/pitted/crusty spots would turn black like this.

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Ospho treatment on the right

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Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:59 am quote
^^^ Hmmmm
Looks suspiciously like a bodge smallframe battery door SoCalGuy made...

But good advice regardless, love me some Ospho!
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Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:06 am quote
V oodoo wrote:
^^^ Hmmmm
Looks suspiciously like a bodge smallframe battery door SoCalGuy made...

But good advice regardless, love me some Ospho!
You might be on the right track. Traded a guy a big box of parts, and got this in return
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Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:55 am quote
Canít take credit for that. My battery door attempt was a little less ďrefinedĒ ...

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Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:02 pm quote
qascooter wrote:
I hate to give unsolicited advice, but this forum is kinda set up for just that, so here goes.

Something that's bugging me is your petcock (I'm such a juvenile ) or fuel tap. B-62 had the same type, with the filter bowl, and the screens were totally clogged. It's much easier to just replace the whole mechanism, BUT, a special tool is required: http://www.scootermercato.com/Scooter-Parts/Factory-Tools/T-32973. I would recommend next time you have the tank out, buy or borrow the wrench and put in a new fuel tap. It will eliminate a known variable that can cause the bike to not run properly. And notice I said "Next time you have the tank out", not "if you have the tank out again" . Easy Peasy....
Sigh...... MUST there be a ďnext timeĒ, qa?

I know, I know, there are dues to be paid to ride these beautiful sexy vintage machines, but I THOUGHT I just paid a five-year advance payment.

Ok, maybe it was only a two year payment. And next time everything will be easier. Right?

Thanks for the nice words and the unsolicited gas tap advice (very much appreciated by the way). I WOULD like to eliminate any fuel variables and feel confident heading out on a ride.

If I can be super lazy and get away with leaving Ole Tappy as is, you know I will. But if I end up being plagued with wishy- washy fuel flow, Iíll go ahead and kick him to the curb and install his younger competition.

Hellooooo Young Tappy, wink, wink!

Btw, a tiny but nice improvement I did was to install a new rubber grommet around my tap. Sweet! No more loose jiggly straw in a pop can tap.

Itís the little things......


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Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:28 pm quote
The Ospho product will stop the rust and act as a primer as well. Meanwhile, you mentioned you don't want to paint, but you may want to try a little touch up. So I'll pass along a tip I picked up awhile ago: go to the nail paint/polish section of a fairly large store (wear your mask) and I'll betcha you find a shade that is very, very close. Dab that over the areas that you treated with ospho (after following the instructions) and you will be surprised on how well it works.
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Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:14 pm quote
Tierney wrote:
The Ospho product will stop the rust and act as a primer as well. Meanwhile, you mentioned you don't want to paint, but you may want to try a little touch up. So I'll pass along a tip I picked up awhile ago: go to the nail paint/polish section of a fairly large store (wear your mask) and I'll betcha you find a shade that is very, very close. Dab that over the areas that you treated with ospho (after following the instructions) and you will be surprised on how well it works.
Ok, great tip, Tierney, thank you, and finally in an area Iím well versed.

Now, typically, I rough sand, wet sand, finely smooth with block buffer, apply matte primer/base coat, plus 2-3 thin color coats, finish with glossy clear top coat, add quick dry final coat for good measure.......

Will that do???? Enough coats?

You boys have nothiní on us girls!!

Ha ha

Thanks, Tierney! Iíll try it on a tiny spot and see how it looks.

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Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:05 am quote
Oh no, it ran her over!
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Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:45 am quote
Theres something you dont see every day....

unblemished beeding on legshields... I mean wow
Kimono32 wrote:
Tierney wrote:
The Ospho product will stop the rust and act as a primer as well. Meanwhile, you mentioned you don't want to paint, but you may want to try a little touch up. So I'll pass along a tip I picked up awhile ago: go to the nail paint/polish section of a fairly large store (wear your mask) and I'll betcha you find a shade that is very, very close. Dab that over the areas that you treated with ospho (after following the instructions) and you will be surprised on how well it works.
Ok, great tip, Tierney, thank you, and finally in an area Iím well versed.

Now, typically, I rough sand, wet sand, finely smooth with block buffer, apply matte primer/base coat, plus 2-3 thin color coats, finish with glossy clear top coat, add quick dry final coat for good measure.......

Will that do???? Enough coats?

You boys have nothiní on us girls!!

Ha ha

Thanks, Tierney! Iíll try it on a tiny spot and see how it looks.
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Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:03 pm quote
Well, Tierney, I cleaned Walgreens out of every blue possibility.....

But, did not ride my scoot to the drugstore, so only going off of memory.

Interestingly enough, the colors look different from a distance than they do up close. Iím not sure if any of these shades are even in the ballpark. Maybe I have to make a separate trip to Sally Beauty (more selection). Or consider layering...?

Thoughts?

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Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:08 pm quote
#1. Blue Away!

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Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:09 pm quote
#2. Sugar Fix

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Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:10 pm quote
#3. Bikini So Teeny

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Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:10 pm quote
4. You Do Blue

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Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:15 pm quote
And the greenish one, #5 Vintage, is a no way.

Guessing if I try a little swatch of any of them, I can easily remove it and start over, so not too much to lose.

This is fun! Thanks!
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Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:22 pm quote
Hmm. #2 looks the closest.

How come you didnt ride? Itíll be October before you know it!!
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Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:38 pm quote
I'd go with #3, and not just cause I like the name

Then layer with #2 or #4, light coat so they blend kinda blend in.

In other words, I'd go for a lighter base, then feather in a darker color to get close to matching.

It'll be fun to see how it comes out!
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Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:54 pm quote
MJRally wrote:
Hmm. #2 looks the closest.

How come you didnt ride? Itíll be October before you know it!!
Yeah, I know. October. Cry......

But, I got to enjoy that Big Goal birthday ride earlier this Spring, which was hugely satisfying, because I needed to get all the fuel issues cleared up before I could comfortably leave home. And I did (to the best of my ability, anyway).

My birthday turned out to be a beautiful sunny day that lent itself to magnificent scooting. And I felt so happy to be alive, me and Blue flying free after all that garage work.

But, all my usual lakeside routes are still closed to motor traffic due to COVID, and it doesnít feel quite the same.

A lot of residential stop-and-go wears my wrist out something fierce. So, Iíve just accepted that this is the year of putzy repairs and next year Iíll ride more.

However, IF my kids actually start school in the fall, Iíll be cruising the lakes from dawn til dusk. Like a maniac!

Thanks, MJ.
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Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:01 am quote
mix them in a container/cup till you get a close enough match then apply

mix enough and you can pour into an empty airtight container for future use.
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Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:51 pm quote
The other thing that you can do is pop off the glovebox cover and take it to your local Sherwin Williams. They sell quarts of oil based enamel and they color match for free. About $28 and you can have an exact faded match. It brushes on nice and thick and you can use the ripped end of a paper match as a brush to dab paint into the chipped areas.

Here is the match on my front fender for reference.

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Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:07 am quote
whereshaldo wrote:
The other thing that you can do is pop off the glovebox cover and take it to your local Sherwin Williams. They sell quarts of oil based enamel and they color match for free. About $28 and you can have an exact faded match. It brushes on nice and thick and you can use the ripped end of a paper match as a brush to dab paint into the chipped areas.

Here is the match on my front fender for reference.
Now that is something worth knowing!!!

a lot of people on here would be very happy to learn this -- - I recomemd you pop that (if you havent already) in the tips/tricks section

Anyone in the UK know of a similar service????
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Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:42 am quote
Great solution and in the orange mudguard picture above, I can't tell where new paint meets old. Outstanding job of color matching!

But I think it will be much easier if you can just use the engine side cowl. I know that on these older bikes, popping off that cowl is so much easier than the glovebox door. Been there, done that and I could not just "pop" it off, but struggled some and had to resort to penetrating oil, a hammer to a stout screwdriver in the eye of the cotter pin to get it even started, followed by much cursing before finally freeing the dang thing. Then you must reassemble which is obviously easier, but still another step you need to do right - for me, once needing a new cotter pin coz I wrecked the old one getting it out.
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Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:30 pm quote
Hey!!! Some great paint tips just offered up here! Thanks, guys. I was intimidated to even try painting, but now Iím kind of intrigued.

Mixing, layering, custom matching... all very good methods and tucked away for future reference.

Just to be most economical, I think Iíll head to Sherwin Williams. Because those itty bitty bottles of nail lacquer cost $10 a pop and Iíd probably have to mix 3 just to get a decent match.

And I plan to walk into SW with a giant engine cowl tucked under my arm (cuz Iím sure Iíd break my cotter pin, too)

Hard to argue with the perfection of your mudguard, whereshaldo! Itís unbelievable! My best layering or mixing would not approximate that sophisticated color match.

I recently uncovered some GORGEOUS virgin paint on Blue! I have to show you.... pics coming up.

Thanks for all the tips, qa, MJ, gravel, haldo, and V oo. Youíre makiní my life easy!!!
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Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:37 pm quote
My scruffy mat. Itís been a cracked eyesore since I bought Blue, but was low on the priority list.

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Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:39 pm quote
The thought of moisture seeping in these giant cracks and causing rust was making me a wee bit anxious.

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Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:50 pm quote
Quelle Horreur!!!

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Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:52 pm quote
Oh, look! Itís glued down with gummy goo!!

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Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:53 pm quote
Ooh, thatís UGLY!!

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Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:54 pm quote
That looks like "contact cement".
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Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:55 pm quote
A little bit of Meguiarís rubbing compound....

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Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:57 pm quote
And some Goo Be Gone....

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Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:58 pm quote
I've been riding the black Zuma lately. The red one needs tires.
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Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:01 pm quote
I couldnít get all the scruff totally off, but the paint in the middle is super beautiful and totally perfetto!

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Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:04 pm quote
That cleaned up nicely. You can get a new mat, can't you?
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Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:05 pm quote
the mat bends without snapping?

the glue is important in keeping the water out when you install the new one. Grip glue works ok but the best is "Honda Pro Weatherstrip Cement"

The metal strips are stainless steel and will clean up nicely.
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Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:12 pm quote
Time to install fresh mat. A little easier said than done, though. I tried several different screwing patterns (middle, middle, front, front, etc) but the mat just seemed WAY TOO SMALL!! Grrrr. It was getting so dark out by this time and my sore fingers kept dropping the dang screws and I was getting very frustrated. Most of all, I did not want to bend the fragile-seeming metal trim.

Finally, I discovered a good method using the rounded end of my keychain to push with one hand while screwing the trim with the other.

And, Voila!!!

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Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:14 pm quote
Ph0ngVu, I have not forgotten that you have 1st dibs on this crappy old mat. Yours if you still want it, but doubt that you do. Itís in pretty rough shape

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Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:17 pm quote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
the mat bends without snapping?

the glue is important in keeping the water out when you install the new one. Grip glue works ok but the best is "Honda Pro Weatherstrip Cement"

The metal strips are stainless steel and will clean up nicely.
I was supposed to glue it, huh?
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Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:25 pm quote
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
I've been riding the black Zuma lately. The red one needs tires.
Thatís good, JKJ, right? Means you got to ride a lot. Is this already Redís second riding season?

Soak it up..... October is coming
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Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:17 pm quote
Kimono32 wrote:
A lot of residential stop-and-go wears my wrist out something fierce. So, Iíve just accepted that this is the year of putzy repairs and next year Iíll ride more.

When something happens to the clutch, which unfortunately it will at some point; don't fix it. Yours will have an old style six spring. Forget this and buy yourself a whole new Cosa clutch. These are much softer and work better. Maybe get one for Christmas. You'll love it and wish you'd done it sooner.
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