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Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:12 pm quote
Gravelrash2004 wrote:
Red nails?!? i was expecting at the very least to see a multi comination collection of blues!
Kimono32 wrote:
Tried to enjoy a leisurely ride last night but my silly sprained ring finger is holding me back.

Fat dum thing!!!! Just canít pull my clutch without crazy pain....

Been two whole months. Sheesh!
Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3.....

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Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:17 pm quote
Lynnb wrote:
Just a thought , back in the early 80's I had broke my right hand and came up with an idea for my 68 Triumph , I switched the throttle over to the clutch side ( left side ) , this could be done quite easily on a Vespa as the its just a matter of crossing the cables. Here's another thought, broke my finger on left side and of course all they give you is a metal slip on thingy, but anyway I found if I taped my adjacent fingers to the broken one it made pulling the clutch so much less painful and gave added strength .
Ok I'll just go sit down in the corner now .
Thanks, lynnb. Your first idea makes me a lil sweaty. Your second idea is totally do-able. Iíll try it, thanks!

(But on second thought, Iíd have to scoot with no gloves..... so if I get in an accident, Iíll end up with, as someone called them so ominously, ďmeat-crayonsĒ)

Not so sure anymore, lynn, haha.
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Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:19 pm quote
Something happened yesterday that was very meaningful....

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Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:23 pm quote
Blue and I had a happy reunion and a fabulous sunny ride!

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Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:43 pm quote
Had another thought, my wife rides her own bike , 100 ci Victory Kingpin , I do all the maintainance on our bikes and one time I did a proper adjustment on the clutch cable on her bike ( basicly adjusted to manual specs ) she had made a comment that the lever was too far out and harder to pull. Now the Vespa Guru's can say whether this will work or not but she had me readjust her clutch so there was more play and less pull needed , I wonder if you could get away with this on your bike. By the way my wife is left handed and cuts hair with her left hand so she has a pretty strong grip to start with.

And no I don't think you're there yet with matching the blue .
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Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:51 pm quote
Thats lovely Sis, glad all the kids like jansport bag, wear them till worn years ago
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Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:48 pm quote
Kimono32 wrote:
Jack221 wrote:
You really should get Slashy over to put in a Cosa clutch. Will be so soft. You'll be traveling everywhere by blue after that.
You have no idea how tempted I am by this idea. I tried to adjust my clutch today. Didnít really make much difference in the overall ďhardnessĒ of clutching. The only reason I hesitate is because I really like all original stuff....
It's not like you can see it. The only one who will know is you, by how much of a pleasure it is to change gear. It's only bolt on, not permanent.
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Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:16 pm quote
If your clutch cable outer is too long, it will form S curves inside the frame increasing the friction considerably(especially if not lubed) and make your clutch harder to pull. If not original, the only way to know is to disconnect your cable at the clutch, pull outer and inner out of the adjuster and then pull all of the slack out of them towards the back of the bike. If the outer goes more than an inch or two past where it usually seats in the adjuster, it may be longer than ideal. Cutting just the outer is tough, let us know if you find you need to.

BTW, your well scrubbed crew looks all ready for class action!
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Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:02 am quote
You look like one Happy Mama! The little fries pic is awesome!
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Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:10 am quote
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You look like one Happy Mama! The little fries pic is awesome!
Ha! Do you mean getting back on blue or the little fries and their jansports getting back in the class? Mind you they both work hand in hand I suppose... Speaking of hands love the polish match. Wonder if I can find my wife portofino green nail polish to match her Vespa? Tomorrow we are taking her and her COVID fearing tush to a big parking lot to get some more practice for her as she has become a little rusty with no riding this year. So I get to ride her as a pillion to the parking lot and then find a place in the shade to setup my laptop and work while giving her pointers as she comes around...

*EDIT*

Yeah you gotta love the inter webs...

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Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:12 pm quote
All 4 kids wearing Chucks = awesome parenting.
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Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:52 pm quote
Top this for a match

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Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:35 am quote
Patric - that is unquestionably a solid fashion choice.

Kimono - how bout one of these on the outside of your glove?
Cumbersome - but might work?

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Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:46 pm quote
Lynnb wrote:
Had another thought, my wife rides her own bike , 100 ci Victory Kingpin..... she had me readjust her clutch so there was more play and less pull needed , I wonder if you could get away with this on your bike.

And no I don't think you're there yet with matching the blue .
Great idea, lynnb! Iíve been trying to adjust my clutch to spec but I could certainly try the opposite and see if it works. Thank you!

And kudos to your wife for riding such a cool bike. I looked it upóitís beautiful!!
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Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:02 pm quote
koenig blues wrote:
Thats lovely Sis, glad all the kids like jansport bag, wear them till worn years ago
Hi Ebeth! So nice to hear from you.

Youíve managed to wear out a Jansport, huh?

Until recently I was re-purchasing 4 backpacks every single school year, cuz the prior yearís backpacks had holes in the bottom (bolstered by cracker-crumb-festooned duct tape on the inside). Just nasty!

$30 apiece at a big box store 🎯 for a cartoony piece of junk x 4 kids= $120/every single year. Grrrr.

Then someone way smarter than I am told me about the Jansport LIFETIME WARRANTY! Sure, itís a little more expensive up front, but I ainít never buying school backpacks, never again.

Cheers, E!!
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Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:10 pm quote
Jack221 wrote:
You really should get Slashy over to put in a Cosa clutch......It's not like you can see it. The only one who will know is you, by how much of a pleasure it is to change gear. It's only bolt on, not permanent.
Thanks, Jack. I was confusing it with the dogleg clutch levers. I looked into the Cosa and I see how it works. Now Iím even more tempted....

As you said, itís not permanent. I can always go back to my hard, skippy, sore-hand-inducing, bad clutch situation..... if I wanna
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Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:19 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
If your clutch cable outer is too long, it will form S curves inside the frame increasing the friction considerably(especially if not lubed) and make your clutch harder to pull. If not original, the only way to know is to disconnect your cable at the clutch, pull outer and inner out of the adjuster and then pull all of the slack out of them towards the back of the bike. If the outer goes more than an inch or two past where it usually seats in the adjuster, it may be longer than ideal. Cutting just the outer is tough, let us know if you find you need to.

BTW, your well scrubbed crew looks all ready for class action!
Well, hi V oodoo! And welcome back from Greece! Hope youíre adjusting well after your extended stay in a beautiful exotic country

I mean, if you gotta get stuck somewhere.... eating feta salad and drinking ouzo at a little sidewalk cafe probably isnít too bad...

Anyway, thanks for the great clutch advice. Iíll check this innie/outie cable situation early next week. Perhaps itís that simple. And I actually know how to do everything you suggested. Fist bump!
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Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:27 pm quote
qascooter wrote:
You look like one Happy Mama! The little fries pic is awesome!
Thanks, qa! You donít even KNOW what a happy mama I am!!!!

All my kids have been fed, watered, nurtured, and kept alive (harder than it looks) until they have reached this monumental crucial point.

EVERYBODY IS IN FULL-TIME SCHOOL!!!!!!

Yeah, Iím celebrating and happy-dancing and cheering!

Not that I didnít love those little baby years, cuz I did. But it was a full time effort. Iím ready to change gears....

(softly, with a new Cosa )
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Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:48 pm quote
Harbinger wrote:
....Speaking of hands love the polish match. Wonder if I can find my wife portofino green nail polish to match her Vespa? Tomorrow we are taking her and her COVID fearing tush to a big parking lot to get some more practice for her as she has become a little rusty with no riding this year. So I get to ride her as a pillion to the parking lot and then find a place in the shade to setup my laptop and work while giving her pointers as she comes around...

*EDIT*

Yeah you gotta love the inter webs...

https://www.brasilybelleza.com/en/catalog/product/nail-polish-gel-effect-keratin-54-portofino-green-10ml
Hey Harb! I think itís great that you are helping your wife practice in a parking lot. Give her some confidence to get out there before the snow flies (mask under visored helmet, perhaps?).

Limited riding this season made me feel rusty as well, so I headed back to the parking lot and practiced a few things. Also brought the kids over and taught them some principles that work for both bikes and scoots.

Quite sure you already know that ďgentle suggestionsĒ are most effective when dealing with the fairer sex......hope it went well today.

I checked out your Portofino Green polish link. The name is the same, but I donít think the color is quite right. Perhaps this a better match....?
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Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:49 pm quote
Whoops, forgot the pic. Itís called True Spring.

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Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:50 pm quote
Is this the color of her scoot?

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Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:59 pm quote
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All 4 kids wearing Chucks = awesome parenting.
Chucks have never let me down.... thanks!

(in fact, they boost me up. 3 inch hidden heel here helps me flat-foot my scoot. Otherwise itís tippytoes.)

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Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:03 pm quote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
Top this for a match
I really canít. Itís just too perfect!!!!!

LOVE IT!!!!

ps: I think youíre starting a very cool trend.....
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Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:08 pm quote
charlieman22 wrote:
Patric - that is unquestionably a solid fashion choice.

Kimono - how bout one of these on the outside of your glove?
Cumbersome - but might work?
CMónot a bad idea at all. Thanks! Finger had been healing up nicely but then got re-crushed by a rambunctious child.

The metal cage would be probably most useful inside the dangerous home.

But, Iíll try on scoot as well
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Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:43 pm quote
Kimono32 wrote:
Is this the color of her scoot?
Yep, 2017 GTV 300. She also rocks a full Malossi kit, Brembos, Remus, etc, etc. I may have had something to do with that though... You can see her butt sticking out in my profile pic. Our German and Russian girls keep her safe back there.
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Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:05 pm quote
Well, you actually started it with the toes. I was just inspired to continue.
Kimono32 wrote:
oopsclunkthud wrote:
Top this for a match
I really canít. Itís just too perfect!!!!!

LOVE IT!!!!

ps: I think youíre starting a very cool trend..... 8)
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Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:34 pm quote
Lynnb wrote:
.....one time I did a proper adjustment on the clutch cable on her bike ( basicly adjusted to manual specs ) she had made a comment that the lever was too far out and harder to pull. Now the Vespa Guru's can say whether this will work or not but she had me readjust her clutch so there was more play and less pull needed , I wonder if you could get away with this on your bike...
Youíre a genius, lynnb! I tried this today. Adjusted my bolt backwards toward Blueís cute lil ass-end until there was so much play in the clutch it was kindasloppy. But, it worked!

Between that and changing my riding gloves out to this prissy yellow pair, adorned with sweet Minnie Mouse bows, I was able to ride for over an hour before my hand gave out.

Itís 75 and sunny here and was the best riding weather ever!

Thank you for the good advice. Iím still eyeing the Cosa, but Iíll wait, cuz Iím feeling lazy.

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Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:36 pm quote
This girl started on the second kick today, after a week of sitting lonely in the garage. Whoop!

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Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:29 pm quote
friend of mine buys the hardware store work gloves and then does this to them

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Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:12 pm quote
Your welcome Kimono I'm glad it helped, I had to adjust mine the other way today, all this playing around in town must have stretched the cable a bit, much easier going into first now.

My bike is seldom more than a second kick start and once its been run during the day , no choke is needed. I'm still learning about these 2 strokers.
Great pic of the bike.
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Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:40 pm quote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
friend of mine buys the hardware store work gloves and then does this to them
I WANT SOME!!!! Please tell me your friend sells these on Etsy or some other shopping site. Prettiest work gloves ever!
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Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:45 pm quote
Lynnb wrote:
My bike is seldom more than a second kick start and once its been run during the day , no choke is needed.
Thatís great, lynnb! Mine used to start on the 13th or maybe 32nd kick, so to get it firing in under 5 kicks is a major thrill.
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Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:55 pm quote
Kimono32 wrote:
Lynnb wrote:
My bike is seldom more than a second kick start and once its been run during the day , no choke is needed.
Thatís great, lynnb! Mine used to start on the 13th or maybe 32nd kick, so to get it firing in under 5 kicks is a major thrill.
These guys on the site could probably tell you how to get it starting better, unfortunately I can't take the credit. Mine will actually start first kick. I think its a matter of timing and the carb setup.
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Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:58 pm quote
Glad you got out K! And most excellent pics as usual.

It's been so smoky here on the Oregon Coast - I went out with an N95 mask in my helmet to run an errand. Tomorrow is supposed to rain, so maybe clear things up here, smoke wise. It could be worse though, those poor folks inland...

I'm still working on dialing in the jetting on Blues cousin - B62.

OCThud - those gloves are Hennarific! - (that was a lame comment but I'm leaving it)
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Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:08 pm quote
qascooter wrote:
Glad you got out K! And most excellent pics as usual.



OCThud - those gloves are Hennarific! - (that was a lame comment but I'm leaving it)
Scott your starting to sound like Greasy, thats ok though because I'm starting to understand what he's saying.
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Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:19 pm quote
First kick start trick.
Don't bother with the choke.
Lean bike to right about 45 degrees - with throttle wide open.
Count to about 4 - 5 one thousand (very important to say one thousand)
Stand bike up straight again.
Kick it to life with first kick.
Smile at the onlookers.
Scoot away.

The science:
When you tilt it to the right with the throttle open - the main jet drips a drop of fuel per second in to the cases - priming it.
1,2,3,4,5...

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Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:13 pm quote
charlieman22 wrote:
First kick start trick.
Don't bother with the choke.
Lean bike to right about 45 degrees - with throttle wide open.
Count to about 4 - 5 one thousand (very important to say one thousand)
Stand bike up straight again.
Kick it to life with first kick.
Smile at the onlookers.
Scoot away.

The science:
When you tilt it to the right with the throttle open - the main jet drips a drop of fuel per second in to the cases - priming it.
1,2,3,4,5...

🙂
CM, I thought about this advice from you yesterday when I got stranded in a sudden intense thunderstorm with pelting rain.

I had already started out for home when I saw the dark clouds blowing in, but had to turn back cuz intense lightning and thunder, poor visibility, and greasy slippery roads.

After I waited under the eaves of a public menís restroom (pee-yoo, yuck) for about 30 minutes of downpour, my scoot would not kick over. I musta kicked at least 200 times. Soaking wet, both of us and super frustrated.

So, I tried your thing. Tip at 45 degree angle (or til I feel cowl hit the pavement), WOT, count to 5, donít forget the one-thousands (laughed while counting aloud).....

Nope. Sorry. Dint work.

Tried 4 times. Struggled to hang on to heavy Blue at that angle with wet soggy shoes and wet soggy asphalt and wet soggy everything.

Finally decided maybe my scoot was flooded and not in need of any more fuel. So I googled. An old MV thread came to my rescue and I found good advice on how to deal with a flooded carb. Just in time, cuz I was this close (fingers millimeters apart) to calling Haggerty for rescue. I was quite far from home and school was almost out!

So, to recap the MV method.... close your choke. WOT. Kick 5-8 times to clear the excess juice.

And roar!!!!! So easy if you know what to do.

But I am tucking your advice away for another fuel-starved moment and thank you, CM. A solid trick in my wheelhouse.

And to give credit where credit is due, V oodoo recommended similar trick last winter before I replaced my fuel line. Itís magic at the right moment!

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Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:21 pm quote
qascooter wrote:
It's been so smoky here on the Oregon Coast - I went out with an N95 mask in my helmet to run an errand.....

I'm still working on dialing in the jetting on Blues cousin - B62.

OCThud - those gloves are Hennarific! - (that was a lame comment but I'm leaving it)
I love the term ďhennarificĒ and am thinking of ďhennifyingĒ my own pair of Handy Andyís or whatever those yellow gloves are......

To all of you west coast MV friends, Iím so sad for your awful fires and smoke and devastation. My heart goes out to you. Please be careful if you choose to scoot.

Riding with an n95.....misery. But probably wise, qa.
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:24 am quote
Oh wow Kimono that must have been frustrating after so many kicks, I take it you didn't try swapping out the sparkplug for another?
Good job working through it on your own. You really have to get that fixed up, no matter how old these gems are they should always start.
My biggest concern as I break ground and go a bit further out each time is the tires for a flat.
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:17 am quote
Kimono32 wrote:
Tried 4 times. Struggled to hang on to heavy Blue at that angle with wet soggy shoes and wet soggy asphalt and wet soggy everything....
I was quite far from home and school was almost out!...
Dang, that sucks K! I get caught in the rain fairly often during the winter. I sat under a huge tree one day, and the scoot wouldn't start when I was ready to roll...

Another trick I like to use is bump starting it.
Put Scooter in 2nd gear, clutch pulled in so it rolls
Push the scoot as fast as you can, downhill always helps,
Drop the clutch and give it gas.
Puup, puup, puup, pup, bwwaaahhhh, wannnggghhhh.

Rolling again. Fun to try and practice when you're on a downhill. I sometimes start this way just for fun on a slight downhill.

I'm glad you made it home safe and in time for the kiddos to get home. Oh, something else: I usually keep a chamois around to dry off the scooter when I get home, if time permits...
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