Hello Guys i am trying to import an ApeCar from Mexcio To United States. i am Looking for custom broker.
some one have some info ?
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![]() Hello Guys i am trying to import an ApeCar from Mexcio To United States. i am Looking for custom broker.
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![]() There have been a number of threads about importing an APE. Use the Search tab in the upper left of the page and read some of the past discussions and experiences. I think the consensus is that its not possible because it doesn't meet DOT requirements.
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![]() I know about the DOT. that is way i am looking for a broker and find another way. can you help me with a list of brokers for texas ?
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![]() amerikan91 wrote: I know about the DOT. that is way i am looking for a broker and find another way. can you help me with a list of brokers for texas ? Cheers Miguel |
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![]() Miguel wrote: There have been a number of threads about importing an APE. Use the Search tab in the upper left of the page and read some of the past discussions and experiences. I think the consensus is that its not possible because it doesn't meet DOT requirements. Best Miguel https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/278/~/importing-classic-or-antique-vehicles-%2F-cars-for-personal-use "If the vehicle is at least 21 years old, there are no EPA compliance requirements upon importation. A motor vehicle that is at least 25 years old can be lawfully imported into the U.S. without regard to whether it complies with all applicable DOT Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS). Such a vehicle would be entered under Box 1 on the HS-7 Declaration form to be given to Customs at the time of importation." |
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![]() Miguel wrote: There have been a number of threads about importing an APE. Use the Search tab in the upper left of the page and read some of the past discussions and experiences. I think the consensus is that its not possible because it doesn't meet DOT requirements. Best Miguel |
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![]() If it isn't 21 years old, there's no way around the DOT and EPA requirements, even with an import broker or agent. I just went through this experience with a friend and his motorcycle. (Chronicled in a recent issue of the BMW ON magazine) And the burden of proof is on you that the vehicle is in compliance. No one in government or private industry will help you. An import agent will assist you, but they won't do 100% of the work for you.
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![]() cdwise wrote: Miguel wrote: There have been a number of threads about importing an APE. Use the Search tab in the upper left of the page and read some of the past discussions and experiences. I think the consensus is that its not possible because it doesn't meet DOT requirements. Best Miguel |
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![]() Vintage1 wrote: If it isn't 21 years old, there's no way around the DOT and EPA requirements, even with an import broker or agent. I just went through this experience with a friend and his motorcycle. (Chronicled in a recent issue of the BMW ON magazine) And the burden of proof is on you that the vehicle is in compliance. No one in government or private industry will help you. An import agent will assist you, but they won't do 100% of the work for you. Not many people looking to collect a 1990 or newer Ape. |
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![]() WEB-Tech wrote: Vintage1 wrote: If it isn't 21 years old, there's no way around the DOT and EPA requirements, even with an import broker or agent. I just went through this experience with a friend and his motorcycle. (Chronicled in a recent issue of the BMW ON magazine) And the burden of proof is on you that the vehicle is in compliance. No one in government or private industry will help you. An import agent will assist you, but they won't do 100% of the work for you. Not many people looking to collect a 1990 or newer Ape. |
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Most likely i will ship the ApeCar without the motor part. what type of documentation i will need it ?
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![]() amerikan91 wrote: Most likely i will ship the ApeCar without the motor part. |
![]() and i will do that. i am Still looking for a good brokers in Texas if you guys know someone please leave a link
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![]() Sounds like no one here has direct personal experience working with a Texas-based auto/motorcycle import broker. Many come up in an internet search. Perhaps you should contact one and discuss your issue.
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![]() Its not like anyone here doesn't want to help you, believe me we do. It's just that it's an unbelievably complicated process, and every case can be very different from the next one. It's just not possible to explain the process or any part of the process whether in an internet forum or in person even.
My friend's motorcycle was completely legal for the USA but it's VIN wasn't a USA one. (Bike was only 12 model years old) And HE had to prove it was legal without any U.S. government, nor BMW USA nor BMW Europe assistance. It was more than a three month process and the stack of papers he needed to have either filled out by him or supplied by him as proof of one kind or another was probably almost two inches high. I'm not saying you will have that much trouble, but dealing with the U.S. Federal government is somewhere between a headache and a nightmare so picking a local to you importer is the first step. |
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amerikan91 wrote: Most likely i will ship the ApeCar without the motor part. what type of documentation i will need it ? That is the only way to get real advice and you're not going to be able to do it without one so might as well get started. Start with these guys https://www.pcbusa.com/brokerage-vehicles.cfm |
![]() The NHTSA information makes it seem like a cakewalk, just check a box and bring it on in. Then you might want to wander over to the EPA site and really look at what it takes to bring it in.
Taking the engine out and importing it sounds like a plan. I bet nobody's ever tried that before. You can get an Ape pretty cheap just about everywhere. Why do you think there's not one in front of every Espresso or Gelato store in the US? |
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![]() it's only a cakewalk if a particular version of a vehicle was originally approved by the U.S. government for sale in the U.S. The VINs also have to be in the 'valid for U.S.' database that customs, EPA and DOT check.
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amerikan91 wrote: Most likely i will ship the ApeCar without the motor part. That might get you into trouble. That would be a false statement and the feds don't take things like that lightly. |
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![]() Motovista wrote: The NHTSA information makes it seem like a cakewalk, just check a box and bring it on in. Then you might want to wander over to the EPA site and really look at what it takes to bring it in. Taking the engine out and importing it sounds like a plan. I bet nobody's ever tried that before. You can get an Ape pretty cheap just about everywhere. Why do you think there's not one in front of every Espresso or Gelato store in the US? |
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![]() Motovista wrote: The NHTSA information makes it seem like a cakewalk, just check a box and bring it on in. Then you might want to wander over to the EPA site and really look at what it takes to bring it in. Taking the engine out and importing it sounds like a plan. I bet nobody's ever tried that before. You can get an Ape pretty cheap just about everywhere. Why do you think there's not one in front of every Espresso or Gelato store in the US? "If the vehicle is at least 21 years old, there are no EPA compliance requirements upon importation." That is from Customs and Border Patrol website. No, you just down walk it into the country, but that is why there are Import Brokers that know how to do it right. Think it's been said multiple times in just this thread, "Get a Broker". |
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![]() Vintage1 wrote: it's only a cakewalk if a particular version of a vehicle was originally approved by the U.S. government for sale in the U.S. The VINs also have to be in the 'valid for U.S.' database that customs, EPA and DOT check. "If the vehicle is at least 21 years old, there are no EPA compliance requirements upon importation. A motor vehicle that is at least 25 years old can be lawfully imported into the U.S. without regard to whether it complies with all applicable DOT Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS). Such a vehicle would be entered under Box 1 on the HS-7 Declaration form to be given to Customs at the time of importation." But then again that is why there are brokers. It's just like shipping anything, all the paperwork just has to be done right and why there are brokers. You bring in wrong you can't just sent it back it get destroyed. |
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![]() Yes, it can go a little easy or a lot difficult. It's not as easy as checking off a box on a single form and then suddenly the gates are opened and you're welcomed in. The instance where my friend and I brought the motorcycle over should have been a simple procedure because there was no difference between a Canadian market bike made in Germany, and a U.S. market bike also made in the same plant at the same time, but the paperwork was still 2 inches thick. That was because HE had to definitively prove and document the proof that the bike was in compliance with U.S. laws and regulations.
There's also a huge difference in bringing over a vehicle the same or similar model to one that was originally sold, or at least had the Gov't OK to sell here, than if it was one never approved for sale here. And we can't also ignore the fact that if you ask three different government employees to interpret the rules, you may get three different answers. |
![]() WEB-Tech wrote: https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/278/~/importing-classic-or-antique-vehicles-%2F-cars-for-personal-use "If the vehicle is at least 21 years old, there are no EPA compliance requirements upon importation. A motor vehicle that is at least 25 years old can be lawfully imported into the U.S. without regard to whether it complies with all applicable DOT Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS). Such a vehicle would be entered under Box 1 on the HS-7 Declaration form to be given to Customs at the time of importation." But then again that is why there are brokers. It's just like shipping anything, all the paperwork just has to be done right and why there are brokers. You bring in wrong you can't just sent it back it get destroyed. In case you missed it the first time, this is still my favorite, "Just take it apart and bring it in," story: http://www.postandcourier.com/business/feds-seize-fast-furious-car-say-north-charleston-business-illegally/article_7a36ee46-3a5b-11e7-bacd-f34ca15bbbca.html |
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![]() Motovista wrote: WEB-Tech wrote: https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/278/~/importing-classic-or-antique-vehicles-%2F-cars-for-personal-use "If the vehicle is at least 21 years old, there are no EPA compliance requirements upon importation. A motor vehicle that is at least 25 years old can be lawfully imported into the U.S. without regard to whether it complies with all applicable DOT Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS). Such a vehicle would be entered under Box 1 on the HS-7 Declaration form to be given to Customs at the time of importation." But then again that is why there are brokers. It's just like shipping anything, all the paperwork just has to be done right and why there are brokers. You bring in wrong you can't just sent it back it get destroyed. In case you missed it the first time, this is still my favorite, "Just take it apart and bring it in," story: http://www.postandcourier.com/business/feds-seize-fast-furious-car-say-north-charleston-business-illegally/article_7a36ee46-3a5b-11e7-bacd-f34ca15bbbca.html ![]() It can be done, people do it all the time, get a broker. Never said it would be cheap or easy ![]() That is why I have said in every post. GET A BROKER!!! Antique Archaeologists does not get it done just because they are on TV. |
![]() WEB-Tech wrote: It can be done, people do it all the time, get a broker. Never said it would be cheap or easy ![]() That is why I have said in every post. GET A BROKER!!! Antique Archaeologists does not get it done just because they are on TV. It would be interesting to hear from someone who did it, what it ended up costing, how long it took, and how much paperwork was involved. If you have all your ducks in a row, and are doing exactly what the last person who brought one in did, Customs can still seize your Ape and require you to jump through newer, better hoops. And the meter is running while they decide how high or far they want you to jump. I suspect that over the years, stuff has slipped through or people figured out a way to skirt the rules, and then Customs figured out what was happening and put a stop to it. Depending on your tolerance for risk, the easiest way to get one here might be to put some numbers on the side and stick it on the back of a trailer, then try to bring it in from TJ right after the Baja 1000. |
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![]() Motovista wrote: WEB-Tech wrote: It can be done, people do it all the time, get a broker. Never said it would be cheap or easy ![]() That is why I have said in every post. GET A BROKER!!! Antique Archaeologists does not get it done just because they are on TV. It would be interesting to hear from someone who did it, what it ended up costing, how long it took, and how much paperwork was involved. If you have all your ducks in a row, and are doing exactly what the last person who brought one in did, Customs can still seize your Ape and require you to jump through newer, better hoops. And the meter is running while they decide how high or far they want you to jump. I suspect that over the years, stuff has slipped through or people figured out a way to skirt the rules, and then Customs figured out what was happening and put a stop to it. Depending on your tolerance for risk, the easiest way to get one here might be to put some numbers on the side and stick it on the back of a trailer, then try to bring it in from TJ right after the Baja 1000.
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![]() If you can, get a copy or read online the June issue of BMW Owner's News. It's my friend Larry's story of us traveling to Canada and importing a Canadian/Euro spec BMW into the USA. (No different than a USA spec bike, but no proof to that effect until HE had to prove it) It's a very shortened version and as motivated as Larry was, he doesn't think he'd try it again or have tried it in the first place if he knew then what he knows now about what the process is supposed to be like and how it actually played out.
Not only the problems on the Federal level, i.e. DOT, EPA, but even when those issues were settled and the bike was legally in his garage in the USA, the State of New York refused to allow him to title and register it. Thus began a new set of hoops to jump through. I know you can say all day that Federal law trumps state laws, but try and tell that to the bureaucracy that's the DMV. Motovista wrote: WEB-Tech wrote: It can be done, people do it all the time, get a broker. Never said it would be cheap or easy ![]() That is why I have said in every post. GET A BROKER!!! Antique Archaeologists does not get it done just because they are on TV. It would be interesting to hear from someone who did it, what it ended up costing, how long it took, and how much paperwork was involved. If you have all your ducks in a row, and are doing exactly what the last person who brought one in did, Customs can still seize your Ape and require you to jump through newer, better hoops. And the meter is running while they decide how high or far they want you to jump. I suspect that over the years, stuff has slipped through or people figured out a way to skirt the rules, and then Customs figured out what was happening and put a stop to it. Depending on your tolerance for risk, the easiest way to get one here might be to put some numbers on the side and stick it on the back of a trailer, then try to bring it in from TJ right after the Baja 1000. |
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![]() Vintage1 wrote: If you can, get a copy or read online the June issue of BMW Owner's News. It's my friend Larry's story of us traveling to Canada and importing a Canadian/Euro spec BMW into the USA. (No different than a USA spec bike, but no proof to that effect until HE had to prove it) It's a very shortened version and as motivated as Larry was, he doesn't think he'd try it again or have tried it in the first place if he knew then what he knows now about what the process is supposed to be like and how it actually played out. Not only the problems on the Federal level, i.e. DOT, EPA, but even when those issues were settled and the bike was legally in his garage in the USA, the State of New York refused to allow him to title and register it. Thus began a new set of hoops to jump through. I know you can say all day that Federal law trumps state laws, but try and tell that to the bureaucracy that's the DMV. Sounds like he did not use a broker, did he? And New York State is not a good example in my opinion. Register it in Tenn first where they are more lax. And what year was the BMW? |
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![]() 2005 BMW Montauk. And yes, he did use a registered vehicle importer on the U.S. side of the border.
NY may be a 'bad example' as you say, but it is a true example after all. Most state DMVs are douche bags. Some are not. But if it's not in their computer database as a USA VIN, which it won't be, then you can count on big trouble. WEB-Tech wrote: Vintage1 wrote: If you can, get a copy or read online the June issue of BMW Owner's News. It's my friend Larry's story of us traveling to Canada and importing a Canadian/Euro spec BMW into the USA. (No different than a USA spec bike, but no proof to that effect until HE had to prove it) It's a very shortened version and as motivated as Larry was, he doesn't think he'd try it again or have tried it in the first place if he knew then what he knows now about what the process is supposed to be like and how it actually played out. Not only the problems on the Federal level, i.e. DOT, EPA, but even when those issues were settled and the bike was legally in his garage in the USA, the State of New York refused to allow him to title and register it. Thus began a new set of hoops to jump through. I know you can say all day that Federal law trumps state laws, but try and tell that to the bureaucracy that's the DMV. And what year was the BMW?[/quote] |
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![]() Might be easier and cheaper to hunt down a Bajaj 3 wheeler in the US and rebuild it. There were quite a few of them imported here.
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![]() Posting on ADV will get a much stronger response for the OP's question.
OP might also contact the AZ BMW MC club via their website contacts. For me (I know you didn't ask) I'd just stop wanting an APE car. I've been in Mexico a bunch and never seen one but now I know what they are... Build yer own? Do you sell veggies for a living? ![]() |
![]() WEB-Tech wrote: Motovista wrote: WEB-Tech wrote: It can be done, people do it all the time, get a broker. Never said it would be cheap or easy ![]() That is why I have said in every post. GET A BROKER!!! Antique Archaeologists does not get it done just because they are on TV. It would be interesting to hear from someone who did it, what it ended up costing, how long it took, and how much paperwork was involved. If you have all your ducks in a row, and are doing exactly what the last person who brought one in did, Customs can still seize your Ape and require you to jump through newer, better hoops. And the meter is running while they decide how high or far they want you to jump. I suspect that over the years, stuff has slipped through or people figured out a way to skirt the rules, and then Customs figured out what was happening and put a stop to it. Depending on your tolerance for risk, the easiest way to get one here might be to put some numbers on the side and stick it on the back of a trailer, then try to bring it in from TJ right after the Baja 1000. |
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We import Apes to the USA, legally, so hit us up if interested. Take Care |
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![]() TheRamones wrote: Hi - We import Apes to the USA, legally, so hit us up if interested. Take Care Last edited by WEB-Tech on Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:56 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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