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Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:08 pm quote
Back to the shed and everything coated in Penetrol. Everything. Inside and out. All the seams.

Best finish is with a good old rag. Just like rubbing oil on. Which... is kinda exactly what it is. Actually created to stop (battle) tanks rusting. Sounds about right.

Now have to wait a few days for it to all dry.

Then work out what coat is going on top.
Maston Two vs Nanoclear. TBA.

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Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:28 am quote
charlieman22 wrote:
More cow bell!

Appropriate you are in the other hemisphere.
I am adjusting numbers that sound like a safe code.
You are innovating finishes.

Get that thing on the road! gonna be such a good bike.
One day I might try to understand those numbers. But for now... stock 200.

Bit of wiring to do... Want to have it done for summer... Boxing Day?

Itís blowing a gale and pissing with rain all spring here.
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:36 am quote
Kid: Mom, what is dad doing in the garden? I'm scared.

Mother: Honey, sometimes when something is bothering dad, it's best to just give him space.

Looking good.
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Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:04 am quote
Got rails. Half done. Seriously fatiguing.

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Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:07 am quote
Looking good and tidy Brother Pheas, i can feel the eagerness to ride it soon
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Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:01 am quote
koenig blues wrote:
Looking good and tidy Brother Pheas, i can feel the eagerness to ride it soon
Absolutely. Getting some hours in. It took hours to get the runners on today. But done! And glad thatís done...

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Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:22 am quote
wow looking so good. I like that gold braze color by the rear brake post. Rails and center mat look excellent. Just noticed the oil injection, what a treat.
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Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:26 pm quote
Output to loom done.

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Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:05 pm quote
hibbert wrote:
wow looking so good. I like that gold braze color by the rear brake post. Rails and center mat look excellent. Just noticed the oil injection, what a treat.
I wont lie - I paid the local retro scooter crew to dry fit my rails. $$$.. but worth it as I can see how much of a pitfa it would've been. They told me off for ordering the stiff rails - but I'll take the reinforcement! Still took me 2 days to final fit them.

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Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:04 pm quote
it's lookin' great!
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:52 am quote
Black boxes...

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Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:50 am quote
Lithium Ion Battery
Looking so Good!!! You've got a big ol pile of sparky boxes goin on.

Any initial thoughts on the Lithium Ion Antigravity battery, and mods required to use? I've heard opinion that the regulator will need to be changed and/or upgraded to charge properly without Voltage spikes. Possible to just replace a old stock reg with a 'new' stock reg? Or is it necessary to use a different more 'modern' version. Could be good information for anyone wanting to upgrade to more current battery technology. I'm thinking for my 100 Sport, which is basicly stock. Curious minds want to know.
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:21 am quote
GeekLion wrote:
Looking so Good!!! You've got a big ol pile of sparky boxes goin on.

Any initial thoughts on the Lithium Ion Antigravity battery, and mods required to use? I've heard opinion that the regulator will need to be changed and/or upgraded to charge properly without Voltage spikes. Possible to just replace a old stock reg with a 'new' stock reg? Or is it necessary to use a different more 'modern' version. Could be good information for anyone wanting to upgrade to more current battery technology. I'm thinking for my 100 Sport, which is basicly stock. Curious minds want to know.
I donít really know. Lots of differing information on the LiFePO3 batteries out there. Figuring the Vape DC Reg should work... But guess weíll see soon enough. Donít let them go flat (or even below 12v). But they are so light and small - hoping the 4 cell is big enough too! Hides very well against the side.

Iím weirded out by the gauge of wire from the battery => starter relay => starter motor. Seems rather light for the ?70amps that supposedly will be flowing. But this is the custom SIP loom for a Vape 12v DC conversion...

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Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:55 am quote
I was looking at that exact battery, which has 6amp hours capacity, compared to 5.5ah on a stock lead acid. So I hope that works out for you too, as you've got alot of stuff going on.

I've been anxiously watching your thread, lots of good tips/info and you're going to have one of the most unique scoots around. Love the bare metal! I'm sure I'm not alone is enjoying seeing how everyones different perspective and methods for going at these old scoots. Keep up the good work, and thanks for documenting so much. Threads like this really are a treasure trove of information for our hobby.
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:40 pm quote
GeekLion wrote:
I was looking at that exact battery, which has 6amp hours capacity, compared to 5.5ah on a stock lead acid. So I hope that works out for you too, as you've got alot of stuff going on.

I've been anxiously watching your thread, lots of good tips/info and you're going to have one of the most unique scoots around. Love the bare metal! I'm sure I'm not alone is enjoying seeing how everyones different perspective and methods for going at these old scoots. Keep up the good work, and thanks for documenting so much. Threads like this really are a treasure trove of information for our hobby.
Thanks man! I just realized that restoring it would take as much time and probably $$$ as customizing it. And it wouldíve been a standard VBB. That I then wouldíve wanted to customize...

May have gotten a bit carried away with that idea at some point tho...

And this could all go tits up if my clear coat doesnít behave IRL...
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:22 pm quote
Just checking in.
Work 's gotten the better of me lately.
Looks fantastic with the Rails.
Battery shot looks like a shelf in my garage where I store electronics.
Distribution block looks like some perfectly good home is missing theirs!

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Great touch - perfect on this bike - and allows cleaning/removal if need be.

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Good lord - that is some serious electronic hardware

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Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:29 pm quote
charlieman22 wrote:
Great touch - perfect on this bike - and allows cleaning/removal if need be.
I hope not - because that probably means my clear coat has failed and need to strip everything again!

Despite getting every length of M3 countersunk hex bolt I could find - still needed to grind them all to fit (which meant re-tapping them all to work) - but yeah, future proofing?
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:34 pm quote
wondered how you managed to have lengths perfectly matched!
u got a lot of good stuff going on.
summer 's around the corner.
I would ride and let the clear coat do what it will for at least the season?
Do you have some sort of whiz bang anti theft going there - or does this thing also glow at night and play disco? What are all those electronic boxes?
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:37 pm quote
charlieman22 wrote:
Good lord - that is some serious electronic hardware!
The two boxes on the right are some cheap AliExpress GPS alarm/tracker. Will fire it up to see if it works well enough to bother before it becomes permanent.

But note... that little black box under the regulator. The speedo power supply box... the extension lead will make it all the saving precious headset space.

Must say, this wiring stuff is a mad puzzle that is actually quite fun to decipher. Completely labeling the loom was worthwhile - I have pics and diagrams if anyone needs. This being a SIP custom vape loom for 12v DC.
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Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:18 pm quote
Chipping away. Torqued down/finished the fork. Sorted the steering stop mod. The custom loom was poking into the steering column/fork tube so made a sneaky brace to hold it flat against the side.

Need to get the headset on to finish cable routing.

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Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:19 pm quote
Off my phone so 1 pic at a time...

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Mon Nov 25, 2019 12:20 pm quote
Sneaky brace keeping it clear...

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Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:41 pm quote
I just want to know how u managed to drill that second hole in the turn stop.

U explained it before but it still seams mathematically impossible.



Where is ur mind at for the auto start vs vape flywheel issue?

Looking good!
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Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:06 pm quote
charlieman22 wrote:
I just want to know how u managed to drill that second hole in the turn stop.

U explained it before but it still seams mathematically impossible.



Where is ur mind at for the auto start vs vape flywheel issue?

Looking good!
Haha... pretty sure I used the dremel but have a 90deg adaptor that wouldíve worked too. Think I used the dremel cause my adaptor had broken and cbf getting a new one at that time (but have now... they are super useful).

My mind is... clear the shit ton of small parts in my shed then actually remove the PX flywheel and see what Iím faced with. Really want e-start. Not because I mind kicking, but it would be a let down on the build goals. But right now have no idea how much modding the vape flywheel will need. Suspect I canít just remove the starter ring from the old and transplant it tho. That would be too easy.

Have been caught up with extra-curricula activities lately (like yourself) so not much time wrenching. Next week things get clear so plan to hit it hard.
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Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:59 pm quote
Got my vape ignition today. Took some quick pictures for you to compare the LML flywheel with kickstart gear vs the vape. I was gonna do some measurements but realized I had no baseline to measure off of cause the center part was not installed on the vape and they are different enough in width (face to back, not diameter) that I think it would need to be mounted for me to really get measurements that would provide insight.

I will say that the vape flywheel has a similar ledge that appears to be at the right spot for the kickstart gear, but definitely not wide enough for the gear to be mounted. The distance from edge of ledge to edge of main flywheel section is probably slightly over half the thickness of the original, meaning the kickstart ring has very little thickness to be mounted on. It would require some cutting on a lathe. I'll let you take a stab at that since you are way more accurate in your measurements as proven by your front fender work.


One observation I made is that because the vape flywheel isn't as thick face to back as the LML, the fins on the vape appear to have been designed larger in that they have been milled with more surface area perpendicular to the rotation, hence able to grab more air and push it, than the LML fins. This would seem to me to imply that this flywheel could potentially keep the cylinder/engine cooler as it is pushing more fresh air over the cylinder.

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SIP Vape VS LML

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Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:59 am quote
Interesting... doesnít look like much holding that starter ring on the LML either. Like about the same as on the Vape. Can see it sitting proud. Will attempt removal next week and compare the mounting (aluminum vs steel... hmmm) But does make me wonder if the ring can be heated and put on the Vape.
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Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:34 pm quote
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Interesting... doesnít look like much holding that starter ring on the LML either. Like about the same as on the Vape. Can see it sitting proud. Will attempt removal next week and compare the mounting (aluminum vs steel... hmmm) But does make me wonder if the ring can be heated and put on the Vape.
Heating is certainly how they get it on in the first place.
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Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:13 pm quote
pheasant plucker wrote:
Interesting... doesnít look like much holding that starter ring on the LML either. Like about the same as on the Vape. Can see it sitting proud. Will attempt removal next week and compare the mounting (aluminum vs steel... hmmm) But does make me wonder if the ring can be heated and put on the Vape.
Tappity tap tap tap away at it with an aluminum drift or the like. It'll slowly move off.

I don't think heating will work terribly well because the aluminum flywheel expands more than the steel and that's going to make it tighter. That's why you can heat an aluminum engine case and the bearings come out easily.

Or some kind of extravagant puller would work too, but who owns a huge puller like that?? Tapping is the go..
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Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:06 pm quote
Iíve tapped the ring gear off of a PX flywheel before. It wasnít too difficult at all.
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Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:00 pm quote
Try putting it in the freezer before you tap it off. Good luck.
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:46 am quote
Chipping away at the front end...

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Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:45 pm quote
Iím pretty sure this is where we kicked it all off:

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Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:50 pm quote
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Iím pretty sure this is where we kicked it all off:
I still canít move for all the boxes! Jealous of your spacious setup. You could test ride in your garage...
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:52 pm quote
Oh... and for anyone interested. My mini switch loom is Cat 6 cable. Figuring it will handle a 12v switch load... but guess weíll find out for sure soon enough.
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:10 pm quote
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Oh... and for anyone interested. My mini switch loom is Cat 6 cable. Figuring it will handle a 12v switch load... but guess weíll find out for sure soon enough.
Bro you got gigabit Ethernet on that vintage! Impressive!
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:13 pm quote
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pheasant plucker wrote:
Oh... and for anyone interested. My mini switch loom is Cat 6 cable. Figuring it will handle a 12v switch load... but guess weíll find out for sure soon enough.
Bro you got gigabit Ethernet on that vintage! Impressive!
I got Bluetooth too
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Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:15 pm quote
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pheasant plucker wrote:
Oh... and for anyone interested. My mini switch loom is Cat 6 cable. Figuring it will handle a 12v switch load... but guess weíll find out for sure soon enough.
Bro you got gigabit Ethernet on that vintage! Impressive!
And cut a 30m cable I had lying around because I had nothing smaller and cbf waiting for buy something more appropriate...
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Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:05 am quote
Ingenious. Love it.
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