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Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:44 am quote
Gravelrash2004 wrote:
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Oh... and for anyone interested. My mini switch loom is Cat 6 cable. Figuring it will handle a 12v switch load... but guess weíll find out for sure soon enough.
Bro you got gigabit Ethernet on that vintage! Impressive!
And cut a 30m cable I had lying around because I had nothing smaller and cbf waiting for buy something more appropriate...
it will handle 12v as CAT6 can handle PowerOverEthernet POE, although you may need to be careful of how much amperage you shove through it. Which i suspect will not be a lot

The original 802.3af PoE standard provides up to 15.4W of power (48 Volts DC at 0.32 Amps) to each device. With PoE+ (802.3at), the maximum output power jumps to 25.5 Watts (48 Volts DC at 0.52 Amps) sustained power and 30 Watts (48Volts DC at 0.63 Amps) peak power
Thanks! I did know about the PoE but not he deets. Itís only for 12v switching so the power wonít be high at all.

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Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:27 am quote
I wanna make that too, someday
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Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:08 am quote
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I wanna make that too, someday
Got a dremel, tap and die set? Just like the grinder but smaller. Youíd be all over it. Need to bring you some toys at World Days Bali. Pretty keen to go... must get onto it.

Iím stoked with the switches. Probably less than $100 (NZD) all up. Happy with the horn - tested and working. Tbh probably wouldíve forked out for a motogadget or even knock-off but there are no single button versions available. Didnít need two, didnít want two...

The body/clamp is a drill bit stop collar. Trust me - I have searched for clamps and these are invaluable for my build. They are my gear and throttle pulleys also.

These are the specs...

- 22mm
- Inner Diamter: Approx.22mm/0.87 inch
- Outer Diamter: Approx.45mm/1.77 inch
- Thickness: Approx.15mm/0.59 inch
- Hole Thread: M5
- Material: Aluminum
- Color: Silver

I used a 25mm hole drill to fit a 25mm cuff extended from the MMW (extended 13mm with 25mm aluminum tube). The hole ended up too big so had to shim the cuff with x2 layers of heat shrink. Dremeled the inside out. Had to hold the switch in with grub screws - too hard to get a nut on the back. Took a twisted pair from my Cat6... more heat shrink. Drilled a hole into the switch housing of the MMW to run the wires.

The marine grade momentaries are 8mm push button - which are a little hard to find but AliExpress I think)

Trying to fit a brake switch now. MMW takes an M6 x 0.75 thread I think. Destroyed a plastic Piaggio one trying to get it to fit. PX one is way bigger - maybe M8.

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Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:22 am quote
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Trying to fit a brake switch now. MMW takes an M6 x 0.75 thread I think. Destroyed a plastic Piaggio one trying to get it to fit. PX one is way bigger - maybe M8.
Lightbulb moment... maybe these take a Lambretta switch??? I think MMW made these for Lambrettas first and mostly?
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Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:07 am quote
Your project is coming along nicely.
I would think the M6 would be on the small side, I just drilled and tapped for a M8 anit would seem more the standard.
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Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:48 am quote
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Your project is coming along nicely.
I would think the M6 would be on the small side, I just drilled and tapped for a M8 anit would seem more the standard.
Unfortunately the custom MMW brake cylinder isnít standard. Havenít got any M6 with a thread that fine so canít be sure (and thread finders canít fit inside) - but 0.75 seems likely - it isnít the standard M6 x 1.0. And my idea that it might be a Lambretta thing isnít panning out either...
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Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:46 pm quote
Ahh - firing a memory synapse.
The MMW master comes without the locking grub screws.
Why? IHNFI. I mean - for the price - couldn't they give a few sets?
Maybe with a blob of lock tight already on it and ready for install.
I was able to find what I needed at the hardware store.
M4 .7 - not .75.
Pretty certain.
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Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:15 pm quote
I kinda love your diy momentary switches. Unique and work well with the brushed aluminum. I do worry about the toggle switches breaking off thoough. I might have gone with a similar silver push button with illumnated ring. Problem is finding ones small enough. You are making me want to completely design my own switch panels for the stella!

something like these with different colored illumination. I would probably do all white illumination on your setup cause it goes well with the brushed aged aluminum.

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/e-switch/PV0H240SS-341/EG5391-ND/5964418

can we get a closeup of the panel and switches installed? I want to admire it.

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Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:25 pm quote
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Ahh - firing a memory synapse.
The MMW master comes without the locking grub screws.
Why? IHNFI. I mean - for the price - couldn't they give a few sets?
Maybe with a blob of lock tight already on it and ready for install.
I was able to find what I needed at the hardware store.
M4 .7 - not .75.
Pretty certain.
Nah - grubs are fine (and I found the ones they sent but Iíll stick with the stainless ones I put in).

It was the brake-light switch... rechecked Piaggio plastic and it comes out as M6 x 0.75. Just an absolute prick to get in - fingers and vice grips ftw.

5/32Ē = 0.79

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Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:28 pm quote
Installed - but too short and wasnít engaging. Shimmed the brake lever with rubber - now a soft feel on release and pushes the switch right at the end - nice and sensitive to activate the light.

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Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:02 am quote
Wired in. More Cat6...

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Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:02 am quote
And shrink wrap...

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Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:04 am quote
Fed into the light switch housing...

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Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:06 am quote
Headset...

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Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:10 am quote
swiss1939 wrote:
can we get a closeup of the panel and switches installed?
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:13 am quote
Diy ones are all good... but the pop on these when pressed is next level.

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Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:55 am quote
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:56 am quote
love this thread...keep up the great work!
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its not my scooter, but i would leave the imperfections visible and clearcoat them, all adds to the charm of an old relic revitalised for the road
^^^i agree...i would clear coat it or i would just prime it and leave it like that or maybe some matte paint...i like to see character...but that's just my opinion...i'm sure it will look great however it ends up
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:34 am quote
Those little push buttons on left grip are awesome. What did you wire them as?
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:23 pm quote
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love this thread...keep up the great work!
Gravelrash2004 wrote:
its not my scooter, but i would leave the imperfections visible and clearcoat them, all adds to the charm of an old relic revitalised for the road
^^^i agree...i would clear coat it or i would just prime it and leave it like that or maybe some matte paint...i like to see character...but that's just my opinion...i'm sure it will look great however it ends up
The frame and headset are Ďpaintedí - its all been clear coated. As for how this clear will behave... surviving the shed, but am aware it may all go Pete Tong. Time will tell.
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:27 pm quote
swiss1939 wrote:
Those little push buttons on left grip are awesome. What did you wire them as?
Yet to run this new mass of cables from the headset - need to wire in the headlight and horn.

Indicators: top = left, middle = right, bottom = hazard.

Short push = 3 sec, medium push = 10 sec and long push = continuous.
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:33 pm quote
swiss1939 wrote:
I kinda love your diy momentary switches. Unique and work well with the brushed aluminum. I do worry about the toggle switches breaking off thoough. I might have gone with a similar silver push button with illumnated ring. Problem is finding ones small enough. You are making me want to completely design my own switch panels for the stella!

something like these with different colored illumination. I would probably do all white illumination on your setup cause it goes well with the brushed aged aluminum.

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/e-switch/PV0H240SS-341/EG5391-ND/5964418

can we get a closeup of the panel and switches installed? I want to admire it.
12mm vs 8mm tho. Need the mini pushers and donít think I ever saw illuminated 8mm ones.
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:34 pm quote
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Short push = 3 sec, medium push = 10 sec and long push = continuous.
What blinker relay did you use that allows this? Or - is it a controller in addition to the blinker relay?
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:35 pm quote
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Short push = 3 sec, medium push = 10 sec and long push = continuous.
What blinker relay did you use that allows this? Or - is it a controller in addition to the blinker relay?
Motogadget M-unit Blue. I wasnít lying about my bike having Bluetooth...

But the M-relay + will also give the same functionality regarding blinkers. Although I think I can set the Unit so the blinkers can be pilot lights also (uses pulse width modulation to send continuous but reduced output to them - so still blink also). Means you can have single wire brake light too - but I wonít use that option)

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Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:36 pm quote
Whoops - wrong picture. This one.

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Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:38 pm quote
Looking at that loom hole I made... itís gonna be tight getting all them new switch leads plus output to horn and headlamp through as well! Donít really want to make it any bigger... wish me luck.
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:34 pm quote
Good luck! This electrical wiring and custom switch panels has me more impressed than the front fender! You sir are a serious builder to admire.
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:34 pm quote
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Good luck! This electrical wiring and custom switch panels has me more impressed than the front fender! You sir are a serious builder to admire.
Ha.. thanks. I think I just got carried away. 2 years almost. Final build is nice with faster results. Sucks getting stuck on stuff (like finding tools and parts in my chaos).

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Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:31 am quote
Just a few wires...

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Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:32 am quote
Hidden pretty well..

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Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:33 am quote
Tight like a tiger...

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Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:19 pm quote
Does it get channel 2 so u can catch Neighbors reruns in the evenings?
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Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:44 am quote
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Does it get channel 2 so u can catch Neighbors reruns in the evenings?
Shortland Street this side of the ditch bro! Yeah nah... she's more of a Netflix and chill bike. And it's NeighboUrs!

Hit another snag. SIP speedo doesn't seat in the Pinasco with a PX drive gear. The gear seems too long. Checked it is seating all the way in. And the SIP speedo does click in very nicely without the gear.

The only shorter 12 tooth drive gear I can see is for a 160 GS/ 180 SS.

Any suggestions?

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Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:47 am quote
Last thing before I can seat the speedo... (excuse the mess)

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Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:44 am quote
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Any suggestions?
stick it in a drill and turn it down to size with a file and sandpaper. poor mans lathe if you will
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Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:13 am quote
Absolutely amazing. You got past all the other hurtles unscathed so that little gear shouldn't be too much of a problem. Can you not disassemble and cut it back?
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Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:26 pm quote
Gravelrash2004 wrote:
pheasant plucker wrote:
Any suggestions?
stick it in a drill and turn it down to size with a file and sandpaper. poor mans lathe if you will
Lynnb wrote:
Absolutely amazing. You got past all the other hurtles unscathed so that little gear shouldn't be too much of a problem. Can you not disassemble and cut it back?
But I don't want too!!! arghhh. Plastic sucks to work with... and I tend to destroy it trying. But yes... am thinking will try. Wish me luck... I see the purchase of some more speedo drive gears coming up tho.
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Shortland Street this side of the ditch bro! Yeah nah...
Indeed.
Downright insensitive of me.
Everything I know about New Zealand:
As for your speed - have some experience solving.
The gear is on its way to worn out from the time it is inserted in the hole.
(don't say it).
I changed to the digital pick up - so much more accurate once I was able to figure out how to calibrate the sip speed.
Fair warning - there is no explanation or instructions and you have to use alchemy to get it to get it to read accurately through the speed range.

I used this to replace the failed gear (lasted 3 months).
Once calibrated - love it.

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