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Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:36 pm quote
And clocking in a 76cm from indicator/mirror edge (they are the same). Despite those grips being 123mm vs ~113 for standard vespa grips. Plus buttons. Symmetric to the mm (the underlying PK tubes are identical 325mm).

I think this puts it in the lower end of motorbike handle-bar clearance. Still need to be able to sneak up the middle. Just now I can have hazard lights flashing...
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:54 pm quote
Pheas'
You have a good eye.
This thing is headed somewhere cool/unique.
Couple questions and observations below:

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This finish is very cool.

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What kind of lubricant is that next to the WD40?

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Keeping things safe inside - or holding other's out?

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Just how many buddies can you fit in that place?

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Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:00 pm quote
Love the rugged mat black finish.
Have seen some super cars done in similar - with just a touch of color or chrome to great effect.
Always a fine line - its a less (way less) is more thing.
A red dash in the logo, the colored calipers (of course - though I think its overdone).

Wonder if it was all mat black - if just a chrome leg shield trim - would create additional richness by setting everything off.

Maybe something else.

Maybe something less.

Just food for thought as you tune in the last 5% of phenomenal.

Some cool function as fashion going on with your custom build.

Enjoying.
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:43 pm quote
charlieman22 wrote:
Wonder if it was all mat black - if just a chrome leg shield trim - would create additional richness by setting everything off.
I was planning on flat black. But... that will honestly cost me $4000 NZD. And flat black is hard to look after.

I want to ride this thing asap. I think I can get away with the finish I have planned for certification. Box ticked...

Plus I can always paint it later.

Plus I like this better than flat black now.

Remember - they are only original once!
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:46 pm quote
And the answer is three. Three buddies is the answer. North in jandals is my 6'6" younger brother. A good mate of ours, also >6' is west in the grey all birds (kiwi product plug here https://www.allbirds.co.nz)

3x3 shed = 3 buddies + 1vespa
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Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:08 pm quote
I think your finish is better than flat black.
Flat black = already done.
This is on its way to something more unique - better.

Thought about my input.
Here is my more considered re-load:

Chrome highlights - best pieces with most iconic shapes.
- Front mud guard emblem.
- Ring around headlamp.
- Rear brake light housing.

Polish 'em like you are the son of a fine jeweler - which as it turns out - you know something about.
Everything around them will pop.
Anyway - just a thought.
Clearly you have a vision - sometimes its good to kick the tires.

Missed one key question tho - on favored lubricant...

All birds - no beach town here without em.
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Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:13 am quote
charlieman22 wrote:
I think your finish is better than flat black.
Flat black = already done.
This is on its way to something more unique - better.

Thought about my input.
Here is my more considered re-load:

Chrome highlights - best pieces with most iconic shapes.
- Front mud guard emblem.
- Ring around headlamp.
- Rear brake light housing.

Polish 'em like you are the son of a fine jeweler - which as it turns out - you know something about.
Everything around them will pop.
Anyway - just a thought.
Clearly you have a vision - sometimes its good to kick the tires.

Missed one key question tho - on favored lubricant...

All birds - no beach town here without em.
Man... I have no idea really. There are countless lists of best grease etc. I picked up some high temp lithium whatever (kimchrome I think) from the local massive hardware chain-store. They’ve done well out of me.

But this is a dry build... so no grease yet. Cleaning with a compressor blower and my trusty vac. But once the frame is done I’ll be greasing her up for the first time!

I clean stuff with WD40.
I press bearings in dry +/- WD40.

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Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:16 am quote
Oh... favoured ‘lubricant’...


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Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:04 pm quote
charlieman22 wrote:
Keeping things safe inside - or holding other's out?
Both and you know it. The ridgeback roaming around probably helps! Good luck...

;P So mainly people out... Kids don't get to know that code. Only my wife knows the code (but has likely forgotten it!)

Had to build my workshop from a falling down shed. Reclad in ply, coat of black deck stain. Themed from the start.

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Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:42 pm quote
pheasant plucker wrote:
hibbert wrote:
how do the mirrors work?
Very well...

I can't feel any play between the mirror and headset. Bit more shimming/ adjusting to do - was really rushed to finish that lathe work last night and need to tidy a few areas up. There is no grease in the bearings yet. Going to wash it all acetone to get any metal fillings out.

But proof will be in how much the mirrors vibrate with the motor running...
i think u'll neede this selector boks to keep the mirror stay there in every gears

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spVI28tf4BQ

happy sunday and cheer
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:36 am quote
koenig blues wrote:
pheasant plucker wrote:
hibbert wrote:
how do the mirrors work?
Very well...

I can't feel any play between the mirror and headset. Bit more shimming/ adjusting to do - was really rushed to finish that lathe work last night and need to tidy a few areas up. There is no grease in the bearings yet. Going to wash it all acetone to get any metal fillings out.

But proof will be in how much the mirrors vibrate with the motor running...
i think u'll neede this selector boks to keep the mirror stay there in every gears

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spVI28tf4BQ

happy sunday and cheer
I do like those selector boxes. But want to ride the twist style. And doesn't add enough functionality to justify the $$.

The mirrors on both sides are rock solid... clamped inner-tube running through bearings in the actual gear and throttle tubes. I'll take some photos when I pull it apart to shim a little.

Right now though - the headset is stuck on. I didn't even seat it all the way down!
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Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:07 am quote
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But this is a dry build... so no grease yet
wasn't that dry...



Headset - ran in to that myself. Wanted to be careful not to mar. Used giant flat head screw driver as shim in split at front under light to open a bit - made it slide off nicely. Think I might have done it from the inside.

Oh - and if your bolt is even in the hole - no matter how lose - it can lock it up.

Look forward to next set of photos on that tube set up.[/quote]
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Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:26 am quote
No more actual work on the Vespa. But sorted the shed. Possible buddies score of zero, going into delicate(ish) work with no space... Much better now.

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Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:30 am quote
It's like a totem on a pole...

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Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:59 am quote
pheasant plucker wrote:
The mirrors on both sides are rock solid... clamped inner-tube running through bearings in the actual gear and throttle tubes. I'll take some photos when I pull it apart to shim a little.
Looking forward to seeing this setup!
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Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:07 am quote
Nothing like entering your shop the next morning after a good re-org and clean.
All your work is instantly 10% better!
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Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:17 am quote
Ginch wrote:
pheasant plucker wrote:
The mirrors on both sides are rock solid... clamped inner-tube running through bearings in the actual gear and throttle tubes. I'll take some photos when I pull it apart to shim a little.
Looking forward to seeing this setup!
Here 'tis

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Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:19 am quote
Needle roller bearings in the tubes...

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Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:45 am quote
Wow! Quite ingenious! Which bits if any are original? I'm not familar with the indicator tube setup so difficult to know exactly what I'm seeing.
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Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:10 am quote
Ginch wrote:
Wow! Quite ingenious! Which bits if any are original? I'm not familar with the indicator tube setup so difficult to know exactly what I'm seeing.
The headset and the clutch/gear mount.

New pk tubes.
Bearings and bits from eBay/AliExpress.
Few bits of aluminum from local hardware shop.
Motogadget for the grips/mirrors/indicators/indicator switch.
MMW...
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Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:40 pm quote
Nice. I envisioned something similar, not with the centre tube, but simply to make use of a headset that has the 'journals' worn out and tubes sloppy. Got me thinking again now, thanks!
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Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:07 pm quote
Pheas' - progress looks good. Your handles are gonna be slicker than greased owl shit - which I am told, is pretty slick.

Can't quite work out how it operates.
Can you walk the imagination challenged through the fit of parts together (feel like I just bought something from SIP that's supposed to be awesome - but have no idea how to assemble it).


What is the longer tube with the two holes from?
Am I looking at new pk tubes with the rubber grips already on them?

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Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:17 pm quote
charlieman22 wrote:
Can't quite work out how it operates.
Can you walk the imagination challenged through the fit of parts together
That's the question I was also asking, while actually trying to avoid asking it straight out. Glad that's all out in the air now...

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Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:44 pm quote
caused a hard chuckle

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Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:18 am quote
Maybe too hard to explain with words or pictures...
Actually hard with one hand too...

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Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:42 am quote
charlieman22 wrote:
What is the longer tube with the two holes from?
It only has two holes on the gear tube inner - to accommodate the indicator switch wire. The tube position moved after pressing it into the end piece lathed from the aluminum bar. It works as a step up because the motogadget indicators require at least 14mm ID and the tube is 12mm OD. Plus the mirrors need 22mm or 1” to clamp to.
charlieman22 wrote:
Am I looking at new pk tubes with the rubber grips already on them?
Correct. I cut the little flange off some new pk tubes. Pressed the bearings in. Grips on.
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:49 am quote
And waiting on my (hopeful) solution for pulleys to arrive...
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:00 am quote
Ah ha. Groovy fonts and some fancy work! Very clever! Although after a while I thought we would never get to the metalwork...


Also, regarding the new avatar... I only just realised...

It's not the Pheasant Plucker
It's the Pheasant Plucker's son
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:03 am quote
Ha! Subtle title sequence...
Had to watch the damn thing twice to figure out how it actually works.
Liked the SpectraSoul overlay - nice touch.

Very cool custom mod.
Those things are gonna turn faster than my front wheel.
Drop down mirrors combined with traditional inner center headset will be truly unique execution.
What's the verdict on selector box to match that super slick turn on the other side?
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:51 am quote
Ginch wrote:
Ah ha. Groovy fonts and some fancy work! Very clever! Although after a while I thought we would never get to the metalwork...
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charlieman22 wrote:
Ha! Subtle title sequence...
Had to watch the damn thing twice to figure out how it actually works.
Liked the SpectraSoul overlay - nice touch.
That's what happens when you have 3mins of video, and a 4min track with 1min intro... sorry.
charlieman22 wrote:
What's the verdict on selector box to match that super slick turn on the other side?
Just standard... once I figure the pulley out. And need to work out how to clamp the clutch caliper mount back on to the tube. And the clutch cable has to route through the tubes also. Few more holes...
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Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:53 am quote
Ginch wrote:
It's not the Pheasant Plucker
It's the Pheasant Plucker's son
He makes the bike look bigger!
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:05 am quote
pheasant plucker wrote:
Ginch wrote:
It's not the Pheasant Plucker
It's the Pheasant Plucker's son
He makes the bike look bigger!
i really think it was you in the avatar
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:24 pm quote
Still working the headset. Getting the speedo to mount took a bit... My headset keystone thingy is a far cry from the piece of angle bar that I cut it from.

Now... a hole in the headset for the brake line. And the wiring from the brake switch...

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Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:32 pm quote
if hole in headset not cut yet - one piece of experience to share.
It will come out at an angle - as it exits the fork tube - and then goes through your hole.

It looks nice if it is straight from the MC to the hole you drill - but due to the above described angle - you need to draw the hole in to achieve this straight line (relative to where you sit as opposed to in front of the bike).

Have a look at my pics - I got pretty close - but would have gone in a few more mm to hit the Pheas' level of perfection
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Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:40 pm quote
Here was the shot I shared on my thread.
You can see how the line exits at an angle - so push the hole inboard 5-7mm to allow it to straighten out as it heads towards the MC - if you want the line to look tidy/straight.

If it's too far in - it will interfere with your throttle cable cam - so keep close eye.

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Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:34 am quote
Yeah... want to have a clear plan before drilling this hole. Trephination for a headset?

Not so worried about a straight line. Happy to have the cable curve away and then back in.

A curvy cable might look good against the curves of the headset...

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Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:38 am quote
S&C can cut in hard because no throttle pulley with the quick action. But I wanted to keep the bars compact - no reservoir and quick action poking out. But may have to take a slightly wider route... just hope the cable is long enough...
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:41 am quote
There’s actually this spot on the side of the headset that is like a target for my drill...

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Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:24 am quote
pheasant plucker wrote:
Yeah... want to have a clear plan before drilling this hole. Trephination for a headset?

Not so worried about a straight line. Happy to have the cable curve away and then back in.

A curvy cable might look good against the curves of the headset...
My aesthetic two cents says the cable should either be straight or follow the curve of the handlebar then dive away. Your solution is so much sleeker than the S&S setup, the less cable visible the better. I like what charlie’s done.
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Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:16 am quote
If ur not planning to use the steering lock u can use the hole for the brake hose, i did it with mine as i dont have drill that day
as for the hose leght, i bought a 90mm and end in regret as its to long, should just bought a 60mm, as we have a short fork so it less leght then a normal px..
good luck with the hose and cheer Brother P
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