Repaint using vespa code or matching existing color
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63 Lambretta LI 125 series 3, 71 Sprint Veloce , 2005 Vespa PX150, 1979 P200E
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:14 am quote
Felow scooterist,


I need your opinion. I want to paint my 1978 P200E. The original was a gray/silver color but the cowls and the nose were painted glossy black many years ago.

Now the cowls look terrible, the paint is softened oily from oil and gasoline spills. my question to you is:

1) Would it be better to try to get a original vespa color paint code or
2) Try to match the color using a existing sample

do you guys have any experience with paint? I was quoted $300 for the two cowls and nose including slight body work and $700 for the whole scooter including any body work. Here is a picture from a few years back. The cowls look terrible now.

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P200e
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:25 am quote
I think i would have someone match the color . Im sure the scoot is not the same color it was from the factory . Pollutants , U.V. And age im sure have changed it somewhat. I think $300 seems fair if theres some bodywork . Try to see some of the work they have put out before . Plus you know the suckey part is getting that fender off . Good luck on your endeavor !!
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:42 am quote
$300 for cowls and fender is very fair.

$700 for the entire bike is way under value. You get what you pay for and I would ask some deep questions about body work and prep.
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63 Lambretta LI 125 series 3, 71 Sprint Veloce , 2005 Vespa PX150, 1979 P200E
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:38 pm quote
I just talked to scooter west and spoke to Alex and he told me to try to match the existing color and go with that. As far is body work, there is not really much, just a couple of scratches and a tiny dent.

The place is a car shop but since the vespa has "easy" design I just don't see it being much of a issue. $700 for small body work and paint doesn't break the bank . I think I am going to go for it.
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:05 pm quote
Agree with Gick, get the cowls and fender done. Taking everything off the frame to get ready for paint it a fair amount of work. Taking the front fender off is not nearly as time consuming, just a matter of dropping the front end.
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:17 pm quote
$700 for paint & body work is a screaming deal. Iíd ask for more specifics, like exactly what paint. Iíd also want to see some examples of the painterís work in person ... not just photos.
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:49 pm quote
I'd kinda hate to crack into the existing frame paint unless it needs it. Not because you'll lose originality, but becuase the original paint looks to still be in great shape. For a complete respray, you should be removing ALL the floor strips, aluminum legshield bead, and emblems. You'll most likely loose the cool VIN number sticker that's above the glovebox too. I've seen it plenty of times where all of that has just been masked off, and it makes the whole scooter a polished turd. If you don't mind doing all that extra work, then heck yes, go for a complete respray! If not, rather than try to butt match the existing color (which probably won't ever happen ever), maybe go for a two tone silver? Maybe make the cowls, fender, and wheels an obvious few shades darker (maybe the glovebox or door and or the headset top as well?. It won't be nearly as in your face as the black cowls, and would probably look quite handsome.
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:00 pm quote
$700 is a great price but it depends on what $700 actually is. Looking at the old picture scooter looks to be in great shape painting that for any price might devalue it. Any current pics and where the frame needs work? What is the nose? If it were mine understanding others have their own personal preferences and probably much better ideas restoring the cowls to original color to match the original paint on the frame would be easy and maintain the scooter maybe paint the nose too unless it is red and is the leader of the Santa's sleigh!
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Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:27 pm quote
I'm with WhoDat. The paint looks good. Just have the cowls and fender painted to coordinate with the body, not necessarily match. Just my two cents worth, and worth probably less than that. Ha!
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63 Lambretta LI 125 series 3, 71 Sprint Veloce , 2005 Vespa PX150, 1979 P200E
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Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:15 pm quote
That picture that I loaded is from 2011. The paint is not that shiny anymore. I took that picture after I washed the scooter.
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63 Lambretta LI 125 series 3, 71 Sprint Veloce , 2005 Vespa PX150, 1979 P200E
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Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:26 pm quote
One last question. I always drooled on the large vespa Rally horizontal sticker that says "electronic". it is normally white and it runs on the bottom of the cowls. should I get one ? or does it look "tacky" on the P200e.
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Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:35 pm quote
For me that sticker belongs on the Rally and only on the Rally, but I have seen some cool stripe jobs on P's. My 2 cents.
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Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:32 pm quote
scooterist wrote:
I just talked to scooter west and spoke to Alex and he told me to try to match the existing color and go with that. As far is body work, there is not really much, just a couple of scratches and a tiny dent.

The place is a car shop but since the vespa has "easy" design I just don't see it being much of a issue. $700 for small body work and paint doesn't break the bank . I think I am going to go for it.
Ain't nothing easy about painting a Vespa. Being small doesn't help at all - makes it harder. Plus tight curves/corners. I'd be concerned they think they can just mask off everything and paint it. Should have everything stripped off it - might get away with leaving the loom and cables in but I'd want to get inside coated at the same time (rust protectant).
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P200 PX150
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Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:00 am quote
Matched
I did a paint match on p200 in 2007 or so

The horncast, front bumper, and cowls were matched to the existing body paint.

Painter was a way cool cat. I tested out the horn-cast before shooting the rest. You'd have to really look hard and strive to find a difference.

YMMV

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63 Lambretta LI 125 series 3, 71 Sprint Veloce , 2005 Vespa PX150, 1979 P200E
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Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:21 am quote
^^ Thanks for the picture. Well, I was at the paint shop yesterday and they informed me that the scooter had previous bondo repairs on the cowl. I am not sure if he meant to say both or just one(I have to ask him again) but he told me that they had to remove the old bondo and grinds it to the metal and start from scratch. That explains why the cowls were painted in blacking the first place.

Another minor dilema that I had to decide on was the floor board strips. It looks like they are riveted to the chase from factory. I could go ahead and tell them to remove it but it looks like the rivets are too well put and I would have to drill them out so I opted form just masking them.


She should be ready by tomorrow(they said). As soon as I get her back I will be posting some pictures. Thanks a lot for your responses.

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