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Hooked
62 VBB 64 GL Rally 200s 74s-76-77 P200s 79-82
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Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:56 am quote
Clever Fuse Option -

Robot has a really great suggestion regarding the fuse management.

He simply installs a modern fuse holder on top of the original "Time Capsule" fuse holder. This solution provides improved reliability, and maintains the original OEM parts.

The YouTube is "Robot's All Original 74 Vespa Rally 200" The fuse modification starts around the 13 minute mark. It also includes suggestions for battery modification, replacing the Lead Acid ones that I have also had leak, too.

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Molto Verboso
08 GTS 250, 79 P200E, 62 Allstate
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Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:26 pm quote
Lango wrote:
Clever Fuse Option - Robot has a really great suggestion regarding the fuse management.

He simply installs a modern fuse holder on top of the original "Time Capsule" fuse holder. This solution provides improved reliability, and maintains the original OEM parts.
Excellent Lango - thanks! I'm going to look into this. Looks like what I was thinking of doing...
Hooked
1955 Allstate 1958 lambretta 1965 Allstate 1968 sprint
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:28 pm quote
Hey Scott seems we have a mutual friend ďJeff.Ē We have ridden a couple of times here in the Central Valley, but as you know by 12:00pm itís already a 100 degrees. So any riding has to be done early in the morninig. I have a 1968 sprint that has a p200e motor which has had some jetting issues. Starts with two kicks, runs really good threw all the gears. The problem is WOT. Mine will not run past 50mph give or take a few. After a little research, I found the right combination. The same combination that has already been given to you by other members of this forum is what I have ended up with. Here is what my carb had in stock form.
55/160 pilot
BE4 mixer
109 main
120 air
Here is the rejetted si24/24
55/160 pilot. Did not change from original.
BE3 mixer
160 air
125 main
You and Jeff have a great time riding your scooters in the nice Oregon weather. Scott
Molto Verboso
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:15 pm quote
Hey SJan - those are some sweet looking scooters in your avitar! I'm looking forward to Jeffs visit - it should be fun. Good job in sorting out your jetting issues. Do you have an aftermarket pipe (Sito+)? Why I'm asking is it sounds like the main is big or rich for a stock setup. But hey, if its revving out through the gears now and the plug isn't black...

I haven't messed with the jetting yet - but I did get a 55/160 and a 48/140 be3 and a 116 and 118 main. When I have a block of time I'm going to get it sorted. A couple three other non-scooter projects have taken priority - dangit!
Molto Verboso
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:46 pm quote
qascooter wrote:
I haven't messed with the jetting yet - but I did get a 55/160 and a 48/140 be3 and a 116 and 118 main.
And 160 air corrector?
Molto Verboso
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Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:29 am quote
Jack221 wrote:
qascooter wrote:
I haven't messed with the jetting yet - but I did get a 55/160 and a 48/140 be3 and a 116 and 118 main.
And 160 air corrector?
Shoot - no, dangit. I was....confused. I just looked at the ScooterMercato carb diagram and the pictures of my jets and it is indeed a 120. As it just so happens, I just added the 160 air corrector jet on the backorder that he's shipping out today! Woohoo.

Thank you Jack for asking the question! I'm learning - slowly, but it's happening.
Hooked
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Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:14 am quote
Hey scott...I split the muffler myself and modified it just a bit. The exhaust outlet is just a little bigger. It has a great sound and seems to run good. The main might be a little on the big side, but it is so hot here Iím going to leave it for now. Anyway...you and Jeff have a great time riding. Scott
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:07 am quote
Re: Update
qascooter wrote:
So I took Voodoos advice and clearcoated the factory sticker with the VIN that was supposed to be removed when it was delivered to the dealer. I'm assuming that's what it is anyway.

I also got another box from ScooterMercato. So now I can get the spare put back together and start playing around with jetting, but first, time to install the little bits before messing with the jets. The cool thing is it's running just fine now, so I have a baseline I can always go back to!

On with the Pics!
Scott,

What product did you use t for the clear-coating of the stickers?

Eric
Molto Verboso
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Thu Jul 19, 2018 11:01 am quote
Re: Update
Virginian wrote:
What product did you use t for the clear-coating of the stickers?
I used Krylon Clear Gloss Acrylic. Beware though it does change the color of other paints. Voodoo warned me about this but I went for it anyway. The rims were a shiny aluminum, then I clearcoated them and it turned them to a factory grey look, which was cool with me. Just a heads up. Here is a pic of the can.

What's happening on your P200? I see that you rode it 30 miles out - that's awesome!

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Hooked
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Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:05 pm quote
What are your ride impressions compared to your GTS 250?
Molto Verboso
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Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:20 am quote
Lango wrote:
What are your ride impressions compared to your GTS 250?
Hey Lango - good question! The GTS is like a magic carpet Ė the TnG aspect is a pretty cool thing, but you lose some control in doing this. The engine revs are directly related to speed and torque, and engine braking is smooth and controlled. Like a magic carpet ride. Itís an awesome grocery getter, blast down or up the coast, and very reliable. A very regal, strong, steady machine, that looks damn good.

The P200 Ė the only way to get a magic carpet ride out of it is to do it all manually Ė and I love it! Iíve owned bikes most of my life, and quite frankly, I got the P200 so I could shift and have more control. I love the tech Ė easy to work on, spare wheel, timeless style. Iíve owned a bajaj 4t and a PX150. I put over 13,000 miles on the Bajaj. I loved the torque but top end was lacking. The top end on the PX was lacking also. That scooter was too clean to mod, so I sold it. I feel now that the P200 is finally the bike I should have got ages ago! I donít know if I would have got the GTS if I had a P200 instead of the PX150.

Now Ė you couldnít pry either one away from me. They both have their place. One is super solid and stable, but TnG (a detriment IMO), the other is spirited and super agile, and responsive. In other words, lots of fun, both of them.

My brother told me once that heíd never own another vehicle that he had to shift Ė whaaaaaaat???? That is definitely not me, and we grew up the same house. Tomato, Tomahto. It's all good in the end. As long as you're smiling and enjoying yourself, it's all good.
Molto Verboso
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Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:09 pm quote
Jetting and Visit
So Jeff (Fatbear5) came by for a visit today! He passed along all kinds of good tips and helped me in the rejetting process.

What the scooter came with is:
50/120 Pilot
120 Air Corrector
BE4 Mixer
109 Main jet

I had Jeff take the scooter out to Hwy 101 and warm it up for me

Then I installed:
48/140 Pilot
160 Air Corrector
BE3 Mixer
116 Main Jet

I had to run the mixer screw out almost to the point of falling out, (more than 5 turns), and had Jeff do another run - and it ran like Sh$t. No matter what I did with the above combination I couldn't get it to run cleanly.

At this point my time was becoming limited so I put the original setup back in, and turned the mixer screw out about 2 3/4 turns, and it sounded good, so Jeff was kind enough to take it out again on 101 and ring it out. The report was it ran great.

SO - I never got to change the 48/140 with the 55/160 due to time constraints, so next chance I get I'm going to try the above with a 55/160 pilot and see if I can get it set up and not bogging without turning the mixer screw damn near out of the carb.

Does anybody have any reason why the above didn't work? Any suggestions Jack221?

All in all, a successful day visiting and playing with the scooter. Oh, and I did do a quick run with GPS 64.9 mph on a slight downhill. Gotta try it out on a flat, straight strip of ground - and I've got just the place to go!

And here is a pic from the other day - not the best photo op, and I plan to take some good ones here in the future...

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Hooked
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Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:01 pm quote
Carb jetting
Hey Scott: I just went through this last week. Like you I was not sure which way to go. Worst case I would just put it back to original settings. So I borrowed a BE3 from Jeff and a couple of main jets.

55/160 pilot
BE4 mixer
109 main
120 air
Scooter would not go past 53mph. It would actually die like it ran out of gas...because it did. As soon as I backed off the gas it would run again. Not good to do have that when it is 107 degrees outside.

So I went to the set up that I got from somewhere on the internet. According to the site this was the original jetting from the factory.

55/160 pilot that didnít change
BE3 mixer
160 air corrector
118 main
So I used a 125 main because of the heat, and the modified muffler. The spark plug is a bit brown but not too bad so Iím going to leave it for now.

I would think yours would not be too far off of those settings. All you can do is try. Scott
Molto Verboso
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Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:24 pm quote
Re: Carb jetting
Sjanuary wrote:
Hey Scott: I just went through this last week. According to the site this was the original jetting from the factory.

55/160 pilot that didnít change
BE3 mixer
160 air corrector
118 main
Hey Sjan (another Scott - good name! ) The above is exactly what I'm going to try, but just ran out of time. There is a guy in Europe (Jack221) that stated using a 48/140 will reduce blowback and run a little cleaner. I haven't dug in yet to see if I needed to change the mixer or air corrector to get the 48/140 pilot to work. I'm hoping Jack will chime in here and let me know. Until then, 55/160 - 160 - BE3 - 116 is what I'm going to try next.

Jeff filled me in on your scooter today. I'm glad you got it dialed in and you two can ride together. It got in the low 70s here today - kinda warm for this area!
Molto Verboso
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Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:18 pm quote
Still here. Away from home at the moment. Few days to go then back to my own time zone.

Unfortunate the jetting didn't work easily. The 48/140 is a replacement for the 55/160, they are about the same richness. The BE3 AC160 and 116MJ all stay the same. Why is your mixture screw so many turns out? You should have the old carb with the silver mixture screw. And be 1.5 turns, nominally.

Just try the 55/160. Get it all running as it should and then try the 48/140 again. Saying only running bad, doesn't give us much to go on.
Molto Verboso
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Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:49 pm quote
Well, I've been riding the P almost every day to do errands - it's a blast. I've got the original jetting dialed in with the Air mix screw. It runs beautifully on 1 1/2 turns out. I still haven't had a chance to swap the jetting around. No hurry, no worry.

What I have done is paint and install the fender crest, and get the neutral light fixed. I'll explain with pictures. Thanks for following along!

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So the neutral light was flaky, then stopped working all together. I decide to pull the boot and look what I found. No wonder it wasn't working.

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I put new connectors on and slathered with dialectric grease and reinstalled. Did it work? No! So I turned on the key and touched the wires together. that worked. Hmmm, must be the switch. How much do those cost? $25!!! No freaking way! Maybe I can fix th

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I unscrewed the switch and put the ohm meter to it. Nothing. :idea: So I put it in the vise and dripped some WD40 into the button and proceeded to pump that little thing for all it's worth. Bingo, the ohm meter started showing a connection. Time to reinst

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Fixed! The light works consistently now. I love this old machine. Had to do the same thing with the brake light switch, but easy to do, and easy to work on.

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Here is a picture at Cleawox lake.

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Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:25 pm quote
Looking good qa. Love following your story and photos. What are you planning on tackling next?
Molto Verboso
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Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:23 am quote
Jet Peddler wrote:
Looking good qa. Love following your story and photos. What are you planning on tackling next?
Thanks Jet - Nothing major, but I have a few things I want to do:

1) Change the jetting to be more for power/torque vs fuel efficiency
2) Install adjustable levers - they are sitting on the bench waiting
3) Make a bracket and install the euro taillight
4) install LED lights (Thanks Fatbear5!)
5) Rig up a way to install a modern flyscreen
6) Clean up and install a quickly removable front rack (Thanks Voodoo!)
7) Put together a good toolkit
Buy and install a CHT sensor
9) Replace the rear brake shoes
10) Replace crappy VW fuse with modern fuse.
11) Replace battery with sealed one from an old power wheelchair
12) Ride it all the time!
13) Replace headlamp with Halogen setup (Lowbeam is burnt out so I'm running on highbeam)
14) Maybe down the road upgrade exhaust and jetting.

But as with all lists and grand plans, we'll see what presents itself before this list is complete! For example, I took the shifter box cover off and it is packed full of grease! Some do this, from what I've read, but it's some old, crusty, grease. So maybe I'll clean it out - then again, maybe not!

So I have a question for you Jet - when are you getting a shifty?!?
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Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:38 am quote
I wonder why all these P2 speedos always seem to be banged right near the neutral light. Mine is too, and a spare I bought off ebay was as well.



Otherwise, if you want to change your idle jet for something more in the range you need, here's a chart that'll help you fine-tune it:

Idle Jets.jpg

Molto Verboso
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Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:13 am quote
Good question Frank! I was going to give it a go at straightening it but decided to leave it - adds character, and my chances of straightening it were 50-50, with a probability of making it worse

And thank you for the idle jet chart. Im still wrapping my head around it all. Soon!
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Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:54 am quote
Frank N. Stein wrote:
I wonder why all these P2 speedos always seem to be banged right near the neutral light. Mine is too, and a spare I bought off ebay was as well.



.....
Me too, same deal. I wonder if it's the seat banging into it when gassing up? Sure the seat is padded, but after hundreds of times maybe the aluminum speedo rim slowly succumbs. Or just one careless slam open, hitting speedo too hard and just the right angle?

Digging the lake pic Scott, more Happy Trails rides and scenic pics please? Bike is really coming back nicely, you're doing it right.
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Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:40 pm quote
My P was like that too. I think it was from a prior owner or would-be thief trying to pry off the speedo.
Molto Verboso
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Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:57 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
Digging the lake pic Scott, more Happy Trails rides and scenic pics please? Bike is really coming back nicely, you're doing it right.
Thanks for the kind words Voodoo - ask and you shall receive!

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Grocery store run, and stopped at the low spot in the road about 100 yards from the house. The stickers are just magnets, so I can move them around. All except that really cool one on the front fender! :-)

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The boardwalk in old town Florence - stopped in to get some fruits and veggies from the local vendor.

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One more pic from Cleawox lake - this only shows the parking lot though, and Ruby of course...

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Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:11 pm quote
This is such a fantastic thread... Thanks so much qascooter for taking the time and effort to put together this rebuild/service. There's so much collective wisdom here as well.

You do excellent work and the scooter looks amazing.

Phil
Molto Verboso
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Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:50 pm quote
Philos wrote:
This is such a fantastic thread... Thanks so much qascooter for taking the time and effort to put together this rebuild/service. There's so much collective wisdom here as well.

You do excellent work and the scooter looks amazing.
Why thank you Phil! It's been a treat to work on. I really didn't need to do anything, well, maybe the brake light fix, but the ole girl was pretty much all there. I was fortunate to find her in this state, and enjoying just cleaning it up here and there.

And yes, without the collective wisdom of everybody here, it wouldn't be near as nice as it is.
Molto Verboso
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Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:20 pm quote
Nice Rack
I had somebody tell me that I really, really needed a way to carry cargo. It must've been the picture of all the bags hanging off the helmet hooks. So Voodoo hooked me up with a slightly tarnished front rack. It'll go on and off fairly quick, which is just perfect for my needs. Thank you again Voodoo!

I cleaned it up a bit and used a product I saw on Jay Leno's garage. It removes rust on chrome fantastic. It has some kind of pumice in it I think. Regardless, it works great - on chrome. I tried it on Aluminum and it's not really a polish, just a cleaner and wax in one. On with the pics!

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The front rack before...

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Closeup of the, ahem, patina....

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After cleaning - maybe a half hour - not long at all...

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Closeup of clean rack. There is some pitting, but very minor for an old rack.

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This is the stuff I used - just this and a rag. Not even any steel wool, which was what I was planning on using.

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The rag was clean before I started! This stuff really works good.

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Glamor shot on my way back from the post office

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The mighty Siuslaw river.

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79' Vespa P200e
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Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:27 am quote
Excellent story!

Welcome to the P200e family!
Hooked
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Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:47 am quote
Qascooter, your blog is too incredible! You are inspiring so many to all the things one may do to a P200!

This blog is so classic!!! You could call it P200E 101!

I love this forum,

Lango
Molto Verboso
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Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:02 pm quote
Lango wrote:
Qascooter, your blog is too incredible! You are inspiring so many to all the things one may do to a P200!

This blog is so classic!!! You could call it P200E 101!

I love this forum,

Lango
Thank you Lango - I'm glad you're enjoying the thread! This forum is awesome!
Molto Verboso
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Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:10 pm quote
What a rack, LED blinkers, and a modern windscreen
So I got a chance to use the rack today - held two grocery bags great. I'm gonna rig up a crate or something when I go to the store to make it easier on the vegetables.

LED lights! I replaced the two blinker bulbs with LEDs - Thanks Fatbear5, they work great. But just like you, add a third, and the system doesn't work, so the rear ones are going to be just fine! I didn't get a picture though, dangit!

I also finished mounting the modern windscreen on this baby. I made a mount out of angle iron and bought a threaded rod for the part that attaches to the windscreen itself. I haven't tried it out yet, but I think it looks pretty good. I'm not diggin the mirrors being mounted between me and the headset though. Basically makes them useless unless I get my body out of the way. Much better in front of the headset. I'm gonna see if I can drill an extra hole and mount them in front of the headset.

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These are the hooks that hold the rack to the legshield. I put heatshrink tubing on the end so it doesn't scratch anything.

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The rack and windscreen

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closeup of the threaded rod. I may find a solid rod and thread just the end.

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This is the angle iron from an old bedframe and the brackets being painted made from said angle iron

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Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:53 pm quote
Very nice qa!

What's next?
Molto Verboso
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Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:10 am quote
Well Jet - same as before, with just a few things removed. Thanks for asking and being interested, although this thread is nowhere near as cool as the Buffy thread!
qascooter wrote:
1) Change the jetting to be more for power/torque vs fuel efficiency
2) Install adjustable levers - they are sitting on the bench waiting
3) Make a bracket and install the euro taillight
4) install LED lights (Thanks Fatbear5!)
5) Rig up a way to install a modern flyscreen
6) Clean up and install a quickly removable front rack (Thanks Voodoo!)
7) Put together a good toolkit
Buy and install a CHT sensor
9) Replace the rear brake shoes
10) Replace crappy VW fuse with modern fuse.
11) Replace battery with sealed one from an old power wheelchair
12) Ride it all the time!
13) Replace headlamp with Halogen setup (Lowbeam is burnt out so I'm running on highbeam)
14) Maybe down the road upgrade exhaust and jetting.
I'm going to probably need to make some tweaks to the windscreen mounts - but we'll see. And, of course, whatever presents itself between the now and the list above...
Hooked
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Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:29 pm quote
Love the front rack, qa! You are a polishing wizard.
Molto Verboso
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Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:12 pm quote
Kimono32 wrote:
Love the front rack, qa! You are a polishing wizard.
Thanks Kimono! I'm just trying to clean it up and then it's easier to keep it that way. I usually use 0000 steel wool for everything, and mix it with WD40 or Marvel Mystery Oil to pull off rusty buildup or oxidation, but the Quick-Glo did the trick for the rack. It was in pretty good shape. Voodoo seems to have a great supply of scooter accessories.

Speaking of Voodoo, I wonder if he's still standing in the corner after that bigfoot comment?
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Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:44 am quote
qascooter wrote:
Kimono32 wrote:
Love the front rack, qa! You are a polishing wizard.
Thanks Kimono! I'm just trying to clean it up and then it's easier to keep it that way. I usually use 0000 steel wool for everything, and mix it with WD40 or Marvel Mystery Oil to pull off rusty buildup or oxidation, but the Quick-Glo did the trick for the rack. It was in pretty good shape. Voodoo seems to have a great supply of scooter accessories.

Speaking of Voodoo, I wonder if he's still standing in the corner after that bigfoot comment?
Qa--Most of the stuff you've done on this thread is beyond my capabilities, but I'm taking tips from you wherever I can. Polishing is something I can easily manage.

Ruby's makeover has turned her into a whole new woman and she looks gorgeous! I've really enjoyed reading about your progress and seeing your many great pics. You tick off to-dos on your list faster than anyone I've seen

V oodoo still in the corner? Doubt it. No worries, karma....
Molto Verboso
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Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:29 am quote
Kimono32 wrote:
Qa--Most of the stuff you've done on this thread is beyond my capabilities
Don't sell yourself short - You can do anything you set your mind to, especially with all the instruction that exists at our fingertips.
Kimono32 wrote:
Ruby's makeover has turned her into a whole new woman and she looks gorgeous! I've really enjoyed reading about your progress and seeing your many great pics. You tick off to-dos on your list faster than anyone I've seen
And here I am thinking I'm moving slow! Dooohhh! Thanks for the compliments. She is looking good and I'm diggin the process of cleaning her up. Every errand I've needed to run, I've been running on her. I think I've gone through 3 tanks of gas so far - All kinds of fun! Only the best, non-ethanol gas for her.
Molto Verboso
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Sat Aug 18, 2018 4:48 pm quote
Windscreen - Rev B
I had a few moments after our lunch guests split so I decided to try out a few changes to the windscreen and mirror.

I'm not liking the mirrors being between me and the headset - I cannot see behind me unless I move my body out of the way. And the windscreen is at too much of an angle so the wind blasts the bottom of the helmet.

So I put the threaded windscreen arms in the vise and bent them into a shape that got the windscreen out a bit from the brackets. Then I drilled another hole in the home made brackets and mounted the mirror. It looks like it's going to work pretty good. I won't know until I go for a ride.

If this works alright, I'll drill a hole in the original bracket - it's a lot thicker than the angle iron brackets I made.

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This allows the mirror to be further forward (from me) and a couple of inches towards the grip, which should be enough room to see around my arm/body.



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Molto Verboso
08 GTS 250, 79 P200E, 62 Allstate
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 1224
Location: Florence, OR
Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:06 pm quote
Battery
Oh, and it looks like the battery isn't charging. Blinkers and horn were not working so I checked the battery with a meter. 10.1 volts. It was 12.6 a couple of weeks ago and I've been riding it daily.

So - It could be the battery (it is a couple of years old), or the charging system. I'm just going to put in a sealed battery from a power chair like Robot did from Scooterwest. That'll be one thing done that I want to do anyway and it may take care of the issue. If not, I'll take the next step and check out the charging system.
Molto Verboso
08 GTS 250, 79 P200E, 62 Allstate
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 1224
Location: Florence, OR
Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:03 pm quote
Charge!
Interesting day today. I was going to replace the levers with adjustable ones today, but since the battery wasn't charging I figured I'd dig into it and see if I could at least identify what was going on.

So I started with the multimeter. I started the scoot and put the meter on the battery and revved it up. nothing. My assumption is that I should at least be able to see more voltage going into the battery than out. It was just a steady trickle down. 12.53, 12.52, 12.51, 12.50 - you get the gist....

Hmmm, where to start. My head was swimming with images of stripped myelin sheaths, oh, I mean, wiring from the stator, shorted wires, etc. I decided to just replace the old school VWeske fuse holder with a modern one, and put a sealed battery in place of the current one, which smells of sulfuric acid.

If I didn't find anything there, I was going to check the juice coming from the regulator, and the juice going to the regulator. Before I go spending money and time on stuff I don't need to, cheap bastard, I mean frugal person that I am.

So I proceed to take apart the fuse connector, and low-and-behold, one of the two red wires that connect to one side of the fuse is broken off at the connector! Could this be why it wasn't charging?!?!?!?

So I hurriedly replaced connectors and soldered and heat shrink tubing the the soldered connections with the new modern fuse connector. With a 10A fuse, plugged it in annnnnnd nothing sparked or started on fire! Yes! I turned on the key, and YES, I have blinkers, tail light, and the cool (but totally unnecessary) neutral light.

So now for the big test. I started her up, (chug, chug, chug...), got the meter on the battery tabs, and revved her up (rinnnggggg, dinnngggg, dinnnggggg, dinnggg). And - - - The voltage starts to climb. 12.85, 12.97, 13.05, 13.11, etc. CHARGING SYSTEM FIXED!

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The old battery and fuse connector.

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Hmmm, could this severed connection be the issue?!?

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Let's replace the old style fuse with this new style.

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Yikes, how can anybody work in such an explosion of stuff everywhere! :D

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Time to solder some wires...

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OK, wires are soldered and new fuse connector is ready to go.

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Mount the new fuse connector via zip tie and plug in the battery

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All cleaned up - that's better!

Hooked
2001 LML 150
Joined: 16 Jul 2017
Posts: 310
Location: Melb, Aus
Sun Aug 19, 2018 6:31 pm quote
Nice lecky work there... just one thing I picked up. Don't forget to protect the battery terminals - particularly the +. There was a good article on the SLUK site about a year ago where someone spent lots of time, $, and effort building a beautiful old vespa and it went up in flames because a tool shorted the battery + terminal to frame and started a fire.!! Luckily they were right there and managed to put it out before it did too much damage.

Maybe a couple of bits of thick electricians tape could serve the purpose.?
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