Vespa Elettrica Finally Goes Into Production
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Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:54 pm quote
"For those wishing to purchase a Vespa Elettrica, they can do so on a dedicated website starting in October. There isn’t firm pricing yet, but Piaggio says that the scooter will slot in near the top of Vespa’s scooter lineup."

I presume this means up there beside a 946, which sounds like they are not going to sell very many.
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Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:45 pm quote
They may sell a bunch the first year to those that just gotta have it. After that... ?
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Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:10 pm quote
Vintage1 wrote:
They may sell a bunch the first year to those that just gotta have it. After that... ?
Looking forward to an MV ride report on this one.

Get your money ready Judy.
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Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:23 pm quote
I'm predicting that the first year's run will actually sell, even at 946-ish prices, because hey, electric Vespa (and why not?). From that point onward, they might need to offer a little extra incentive.
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:48 am quote
50cc performance at 946 (or even 300) pricing? Sounds like a lose-lose to me.
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:49 am quote
Hmmm... First year could be collectible in the future. Both if it's a failure, and if it's a runaway success....
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:06 am quote
Vintage1 wrote:
They may sell a bunch the first year to those that just gotta have it. After that... ?
I think it was VW?! But one of the major car manufacturers mentioned that within the next 10 years that they will stop internal combustion or fossil fuel based vehicle production. So it seems like based on this, I think the "success" of Tesla that vehicle manufacturers will slowly fade out production of fuel based engines for the Electric types.

I see the market for this, not only with those of us who drank the kool aide and ride Piaggeo products but I can see this move attracting new riders who like the style/look of the Vespa.

As to sustainability of this product over the long term....we will just have to see.

Again, I cannot wait for the reviews from riders on here or new members who get it and find this little corner of the interwebs.
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:08 am quote
My educated guesses....

Available in the USA Q2 2019

Range 80 miles

Top speed 50

Price $5999

Willing to circle back here in 6 months and see if I win any prizes lol.

SDG
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:53 am quote
All electric is sexy, so it will sell

Just read from a newspaper that there was a rush of the first buyers when a local boat manufacturer announced their new all electric speed boat. You know, those that in the old days have to be kept running iddle at popular pit stops, just tp make everybody certain that your boat goes "BROM, BROM, BROM..." with the big engine.

Not it says : "......." and that's sexier today.

And yeah, electric vehicles in general will stomp over the domination of combustion engines faster than "general public" thinks. Many practical issues still to be solved, but the largest vehicle manufacturers are working on this full speed.

Gas price around here is record high and emission charges/taxes going up...plenty of motivation to be interested in new alternatives.
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:10 am quote
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All electric is sexy, so it will sell
Well, I am not disinterested myself, but the performance of a 50 at something pushing $10k is a no sale. If SDG is right and the price is more like $5K, then maybe. Sex is fine, but I'm only paying so much!
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:21 am quote
Sacto Monkeyboy wrote:
I think it was VW?! But one of the major car manufacturers mentioned that within the next 10 years that they will stop internal combustion or fossil fuel based vehicle production.
VW made a big commitment to battery technology, but I believe it was Volvo who said they were planning on going total electric.

Does anyone know for sure that the performance is comparable to a 50cc? And is that top speed or acceleration?

Looking at the performance of Teslas, I'm not convinced that electric scooters will be slow.
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:23 am quote
How does the Earth sustain electric vehicles when it takes rare earth metals to make them. I do believe that mining rare earth metals is highly toxic.
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:26 am quote
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Does anyone know for sure that the performance is comparable to a 50cc? And is that top speed or acceleration?
Quote from the above article -
"Vespa says that the Elettrica should perform the same as a 50cc scooter in terms of power delivery, with two riding modes available: “eco” and “power”. A reverse mode is also part of the package, to help with maneuvering."
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:32 am quote
Spuds wrote:
Sacto Monkeyboy wrote:
I think it was VW?! But one of the major car manufacturers mentioned that within the next 10 years that they will stop internal combustion or fossil fuel based vehicle production.
VW made a big commitment to battery technology, but I believe it was Volvo who said they were planning on going total electric.

Looking at the performance of Teslas, I'm not convinced that electric scooters will be slow.
Volvo! That's the one! Thanks, I couldn't remember which European car manufacturer said it.

I was chatting with a coworker over the coffee machine about this very thing. With Tesla showing some of the most promising performance of electric vehicles so far, I figured that technology would spill over into other areas of Transportation.

The co-worker lived in China for a while and was telling me how she commuted on electric bicycles and how she could see Scooters adopting the technology and how people would come over and utilize them.

We are seeing a huge presence locally of Jump Bikes. The Uber of bicycles. It seems the model is at the moment novel but many people are using them here in Sacramento. So after the novelty of it wears off, I'd be interested to see how sustainable it is as a business model. I can see a version of the business being electronic scooters (Not necessarily Vespa).
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 10:38 am quote
Sacto Monkeyboy wrote:
The co-worker lived in China for a while and was telling me how she commuted on electric bicycles and how she could see Scooters adopting the technology and how people would come over and utilize them.
slow electric scooter (vespa looking knock-offs) are ALL OVER China. There are 72v 500w motored vespa knock-offs you can buy on aliexpress for $2600 delivered:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/130912-Electric-car-60V72V-battery-car-high-speed-electric-motorcycle-pedal-boost-bike-ABS-paint-Multi/32834007815.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.216.5e53472bSi0pdg&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10068_5910015_10130_10547_10546_5890015_10548_5724715_315_10545_10696_531_10084_5724015_10083_5970015_10618_5724315_10307_5724215_5724115_10059_5860016_100031_5725015_10103_5725115_5980015_5724915_5990015,searchweb201603_56,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=c21ac58f-145a-4d3f-a64d-b56fd2d9d7cc-36&algo_pvid=c21ac58f-145a-4d3f-a64d-b56fd2d9d7cc&priceBeautifyAB=0

You seem them being charged with random a/c sockets all over the streets like this:


who's going to buy a 300cc-priced vespa that only goes like a 50cc? I mean.. seriously. Gas has never been an issue.
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:14 am quote
That's EXACTLY how she described it! HA!!! Thanks for confirming the image in my mind.
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:37 pm quote
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How does the Earth sustain electric vehicles when it takes rare earth metals to make them. I do believe that mining rare earth metals is highly toxic.
Nope very environmentally friendly They just dig a small hole

https://tinyurl.com/yatnwael
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:29 pm quote
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Nope very environmentally friendly. They just dig a small hole.

https://tinyurl.com/yatnwael
Anyone who views the first link above, should also look at this one.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lithium-mine-oil-sands/
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:35 pm quote
With all current electric vehicles it is not the range so much as the re-charge time.
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:32 pm quote
Think this is a smart move by Vespa. Some current Vespa owners may swap over to electric, but think this move is more about new Vespa owners. The Eco friendly housewives, the granola crowd, the Prius drivers, etc. It’s a whole new Army of buyers that want to “do the right thing”. If it helps save the planet, everyone wins.
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Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:48 pm quote
There's a grant available in the UK for electric motorbikes (as well as other vehicles)
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The grant will pay for 20% of the purchase price for these vehicles, up to a maximum of £1,500.
The bike has to make it to the list, which could take a year or two (or may not make it at all)... it might be worth holding out for a while if you're a UK resident and might bring the price down to more sensible levels.

Edit: Source - https://www.gov.uk/plug-in-car-van-grants
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:08 am quote
A friend of mine works for Alta Motors. They've been doing great things with electrics.

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Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:47 am quote
One thing I was wondering: Will it make noise?!

I know it sounds funny but part of the Vespa/Scooter culture and allure is the sound of the Wasp! The engine noise once we twist that throttle.

I'd REALLY miss that sound if I were to ever purchase/ride one of these.
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:56 am quote
I wonder if the bike-theft plague of London would be slowed with the introduction of E-scooters?

I acknowledge that a thief is a thief, but the electric bits might not be as marketable...

Just random pondering...
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:05 am quote
Sacto Monkeyboy wrote:
One thing I was wondering: Will it make noise?!

I know it sounds funny but part of the Vespa/Scooter culture and allure is the sound of the Wasp! The engine noise once we twist that throttle.

I'd REALLY miss that sound if I were to ever purchase/ride one of these.
I agree. Part of the pleasing experience of riding is the sound of my bikes.

I doubt they will intentionally introduce sound, but the issue has come up before. There was a report that seeing-eye dogs for the blind couldn't hear an approaching Prius and there was a discussion to introduce some sound. IDK if anything was ever done or if that was fake news.
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:20 am quote
Sacto Monkeyboy wrote:
One thing I was wondering: Will it make noise?!
I own a Nissan Leaf. It makes a distinctive noise when it backs up, and a different sound when it moves forward at speeds of up to 10-12 miles an hour (above that you only hear the tire whine ) . The point is obviously to warn pedestrians, and the sound is artificial so I suppose it could be most anything you (or the manufacturer) wanted.
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:27 am quote
Dooglas wrote:
WEB-Tech wrote:
Nope very environmentally friendly. They just dig a small hole.

https://tinyurl.com/yatnwael
Anyone who views the first link above, should also look at this one.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lithium-mine-oil-sands/
Now we're talking

There's tons of material about the life cycle emissions of a car, and comparisons between combustion engine/ electric. One issue with these is, that they typically focus on CO2 only. In such comparison an electric car wins the emission war after 50 000-100 000 kms, depending on many factors, like the fuel used in the power plants supplying manufacturing facilities.

But, take into account also small particles in exhaust fumes, and the diesels are out of the game fast. Etc substances that are harmfull to people.......and as the battery technologies are still changing all the time, it's hard to draw conclusions even with non-fake evidence

Motorcycles - don't even start....but luckily no diesels here and typically very low cunsumption, catalytic comverters in the new bikes.... so at least we are not the main baddies.

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Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:04 am quote
I love electrics (my bicycles have all been electric for the last 6 years) and I'm one of the few who actually doesn't like the noise of petrol engines and would prefer silent running, but until I can recharge as conveniently as I can refuel I wouldn't want an EV as a main vehicle. I used to bring my bike's battery in to the office to recharge during the day at work. I hope everyone else starts using EVs though, so when I'm riding I get to breathe cleaner air!

This electric Vespa looks pretty cool, but it's not for me yet.
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:11 am quote
Insane price. NIU will slaughter Piaggio on the market when this launches.
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:05 pm quote
In summary, the question is whether you are urban or rural .....
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:16 pm quote
Sacto Monkeyboy wrote:
Vintage1 wrote:
They may sell a bunch the first year to those that just gotta have it. After that... ?
I think it was VW?! But one of the major car manufacturers mentioned that within the next 10 years that they will stop internal combustion or fossil fuel based vehicle production. So it seems like based on this, I think the "success" of Tesla that vehicle manufacturers will slowly fade out production of fuel based engines for the Electric types.

I see the market for this, not only with those of us who drank the kool aide and ride Piaggeo products but I can see this move attracting new riders who like the style/look of the Vespa.

As to sustainability of this product over the long term....we will just have to see.

Again, I cannot wait for the reviews from riders on here or new members who get it and find this little corner of the interwebs.
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:45 pm quote
SDG wrote:
My educated guesses....

Available in the USA Q2 2019

Range 80 miles

Top speed 50

Price $5999

Willing to circle back here in 6 months and see if I win any prizes lol.

SDG
I think this all sounds about right. Why not trust a dealer who has insider data. BTW, I think they will sell huge numbers in the right places. This thing will kill in California and David will have a BIG smile on his face.
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:49 pm quote
It'll be a brilliant urban commuter vehicle. The college town dealers will sell a shed-load I'm sure - especially in CA.
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:36 pm quote
I'm all for saving the planet; except it's probably too late already. So what I'm interested in is the e-riding experience. I think I would miss the sound and the vibrations from the engine. I figure there will be substitutions, but what? Harley Davidson says their e-cycles will sound like a jet engines. That seems too shrill but I wait before judging.
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:54 pm quote
Praying for an underseat toaster.

6k it bloody well better have that.
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:42 pm quote
Paddlenround wrote:
SDG wrote:
My educated guesses....

Available in the USA Q2 2019

Range 80 miles

Top speed 50

Price $5999

Willing to circle back here in 6 months and see if I win any prizes lol.

SDG
I think this all sounds about right. Why not trust a dealer who has insider data. BTW, I think they will sell huge numbers in the right places. This thing will kill in California and David will have a BIG smile on his face.
At those specs and that price point, I'd seriously consider one.
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Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:49 pm quote
for our european folks there is an interesting scooter made by etergo which has more than a hint of vespa https://etergo.com/



For those more classically minded, a british chap has licenced cezeta and has made a pretty complelling retro electric scooter. you may wince at the price however!

https://cezeta.com

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Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:34 am quote
there be 1% of people that will buy it and rest wont

1. charge and battery life issue
2. if it breakdowns you would only be able to use is a piaggio dealer
3. to slow for the price
4. rather stick to petrol
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:50 pm quote
I'm probably not going to consider an electric Vespa unless it is as fast as a 300. When that happens, I'm 100% on board. I'm also wondering about maintenance on the electrics... Will the number of maintenance items be reduced? No more engine oil to change?
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