Vespa Elettrica Finally Goes Into Production
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:27 pm quote
I think I'd rather wait for a hydrogen model ....
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Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:13 pm quote
frcx94 wrote:
I think I'd rather wait for a hydrogen model ....
we may not be so far ....

See the Stor-H solution

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Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:24 am quote
frcx94 wrote:
I think I'd rather wait for a hydrogen model ....
How many fill stations do you have in Paris?
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:44 am quote
frcx94 wrote:
I think I'd rather wait for a hydrogen model ....
Interesting you say this and the follow up comment. I was thinking that manufacturer's were going to go to Biofuel and hybrid technology but it seems like straight electrical might be the path now. I guess sales will tell us.
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:52 am quote
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frcx94 wrote:
I think I'd rather wait for a hydrogen model ....
How many fill stations do you have in Paris?
Interesting you should ask that. A guy I know has a Toyota Marai Fuel Cell car. Looks similar to a Prius but distinct from it. He tells me there are four fuel fill up stations in Silicon Valley. ~$70/275 miles. He got the car on a cheap lease from Toyota because they couldn't more them Says they were $60K new.

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Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:56 am quote
Miguel wrote:
DucatiTerminator wrote:
frcx94 wrote:
I think I'd rather wait for a hydrogen model ....
How many fill stations do you have in Paris?
Interesting you should ask that. A guy I know has a Toyota Marai Fuel Cell car. Looks similar to a Prius but distinct from it. He tells me there are four fuel fill up stations in Silicon Valley. ~$70/275 miles. He got the car on a cheap lease from Toyota because they couldn't more them Says they were $60K new.

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There is one in my city. I believe it's one of the few in the area. I've seen a few Mirai's on the road locally, but they are quite rare indeed. I've also seen one Honda Clarity Fuel Cell, but I'm not sure how well these cars (and scooters) will gain traction.
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:49 am quote
bet it only goes 30mph so it can be a "moped" in most states. In some states "mopeds" need no plates, license, insurance, or varying degrees thereof.
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:23 am quote
I would prefer something like this https://www.retrospectivescooters.com/for-sale/project-e
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:58 am quote
Miguel wrote:
DucatiTerminator wrote:
frcx94 wrote:
I think I'd rather wait for a hydrogen model ....
How many fill stations do you have in Paris?
Interesting you should ask that. A guy I know has a Toyota Marai Fuel Cell car. Looks similar to a Prius but distinct from it. He tells me there are four fuel fill up stations in Silicon Valley. ~$70/275 miles. He got the car on a cheap lease from Toyota because they couldn't more them Says they were $60K new.

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So, that dollar amount would buy me 23 gallons of gas. If I used 23 gallons to go 275 miles, that would be 12 MPG. What am I missing? I guess it has zero emissions, that's the 'advantage'?
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:18 am quote
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I'm probably not going to consider an electric Vespa unless it is as fast as a 300. When that happens, I'm 100% on board. I'm also wondering about maintenance on the electrics... Will the number of maintenance items be reduced? No more engine oil to change?
As fast or as quick? The one they put out may be as quick, just not as fast.
Remember with a electric you get all the power NOW! You're not waiting for it to get to it's power band. You give it gas you go.
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:23 am quote
Miguel wrote:
DucatiTerminator wrote:
frcx94 wrote:
I think I'd rather wait for a hydrogen model ....
How many fill stations do you have in Paris?
Interesting you should ask that. A guy I know has a Toyota Marai Fuel Cell car. Looks similar to a Prius but distinct from it. He tells me there are four fuel fill up stations in Silicon Valley. ~$70/275 miles. He got the car on a cheap lease from Toyota because they couldn't more them Says they were $60K new.

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If someone back in 2008 hadn't stopped gov't funded hydrogen cell technology, we would be a lot closer. GM and Toyota were ready to roll. Really odd considering they were all about the environment.
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 9:57 am quote
The issue with hydrogen as vehicle fuel is that it's effectively just an energy storage medium -- it takes more energy to extract than it yields when burned/catalyzed.

Useful for reducing emissions, but not for saving energy.
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Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:41 am quote
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The issue with hydrogen as vehicle fuel is that it's effectively just an energy storage medium -- it takes more energy to extract than it yields when burned/catalyzed.

Useful for reducing emissions, but not for saving energy.
That is kinda what the research was, to bring the cost down, and they were.

And hydrogen is much better as a fuel for a stationary device than it is for a vehicle.
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Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:40 am quote
Hydrogen
Storing hydrogen on the vehicle is troublesome as well. As a compressed gas it take up a lot of space and yields marginal range. Cryogenic storage is probably not feasible. New research on metal hydrides may be favorable. Another possibility is cracking ammonia (NH3). With an entirely different infrastructure, probably take a good leal longer than electric power recharging stations to become common, even assuming enough hydrogen vehicles are sold to justify it.

While the possibility of direct solar hydrogen production exists, it is a ways off. At present, hydrogen is just another form of electricity storage. Except for re-charge times, little advantage over batteries.

Be interesting to see what 0-30 (mph) and 0-45 numbers the eVespa can do. With max torque from zero RPM, and the possibility of eliminating the CVT/clutch, might be a lot more sporty than the reported top speed suggests.
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Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:38 pm quote
Blackmoon181 wrote:
for our european folks there is an interesting scooter made by etergo which has more than a hint of vespa https://etergo.com/



For those more classically minded, a british chap has licenced cezeta and has made a pretty complelling retro electric scooter. you may wince at the price however!

https://cezeta.com

But it's hand built to order!!
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Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:54 pm quote
But regardless of its age and heritage, its still fugly in my opinion.

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Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:49 pm quote
AF1 Racing wrote:
bet it only goes 30mph so it can be a "moped" in most states. In some states "mopeds" need no plates, license, insurance, or varying degrees thereof.
Has your account been hacked?

Talk to tech. Think you are just way off here.

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Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:53 am quote
SDG wrote:
AF1 Racing wrote:
bet it only goes 30mph so it can be a "moped" in most states. In some states "mopeds" need no plates, license, insurance, or varying degrees thereof.
Has your account been hacked?

Talk to tech. Think you are just way off here.

SDG
I know Michigan has some stringent regulations. IF your bike is over 100cc OR goes more than 30mph OR has gears it has to be licensed and insured as a motorcycle. Sometimes bikes are governed so that they fall below these requirements.

I have four scooters. All of them meet the motorcycle requirements. My annual insurance bill for them is over $1100. Plus tags. Michigan also does not allow you to put "seasonal" insurance on them. It's all year or nothing.

Crazy stuff.

I've thought about selling one of my bikes and picking up a 50cc, just for the cost savings.
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:25 am quote
Locally
Locally the law is ambiguous. The small (Razor-type) electric scooters are exempt from licensing, along with ebikes. But anything else with a seat needs to be under 50cc, and have working pedals, else rider and vehicle need to be licensed (and helmeted).
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:07 am quote
I saw this just yesterday. For the price it's tempting.

Sunra Miku Max



Specifications
Brand Sunra
Model Miku Max
Speed 25 and 45 km/h
Power 0.8 kW (1.1 hp)
Weight 70 kg
Battery Lithium (LFP)
Battery Life 800 cycles
Range 60 km
Charge Time 4 hours

The Miku Max is an electric scooter from the well known Chinese electric scooter manufacturer Sunra. The company sells itís scooters in over 70 countries and has a production capacity of 4 million electric scooters per year.
The scooter has a European EEC certificate which makes it easy to register the scooter in Europe. The scooter can be ordered online and is shipped world wide. The price is US $690.
The scooter has a high quality 800 watt Bosch electric motor and a 20 Ah removable Lithium battery for a range of 60 km.
The scooter is available in many color combinations and can be customized.
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:57 am quote
seamus26 wrote:
I saw this just yesterday. For the price it's tempting.

Sunra Miku Max



Specifications
Brand Sunra
Model Miku Max
Speed 25 and 45 km/h
Power 0.8 kW (1.1 hp)
Weight 70 kg
Battery Lithium (LFP)
Battery Life 800 cycles
Range 60 km
Charge Time 4 hours

The Miku Max is an electric scooter from the well known Chinese electric scooter manufacturer Sunra. The company sells itís scooters in over 70 countries and has a production capacity of 4 million electric scooters per year.
The scooter has a European EEC certificate which makes it easy to register the scooter in Europe. The scooter can be ordered online and is shipped world wide. The price is US $690.
The scooter has a high quality 800 watt Bosch electric motor and a 20 Ah removable Lithium battery for a range of 60 km.
The scooter is available in many color combinations and can be customized.
Now, that is captivating - not so much as to replace a gas scoot as to augment it: slow enough not to require a license, just fast enough to be useful for short-range stuff, cheap enough to be close to a no-brainer...and hopefully better put-together than most of the e-bikes I see tearing around Gotham.
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:07 pm quote
Miguel wrote:
But regardless of its age and heritage, its still fugly in my opinion.

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Didn't you mean to say fugly as hell?

If you did, we think alike.
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Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:39 pm quote
seamus26 wrote:
I saw this just yesterday. For the price it's tempting.

Sunra Miku Max


I can just imagine the laughter from the H-D riders... "Hey man, when are they going to send you the rest of the scooter?"
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:10 am quote
I think Piaggio's effort is laughable when you consider what other companies are up to, I can't believe they shoehorned in an underpowered and poor range motor into the primavera frame rather than create something new from scratch

For me these guys in Taiwan have the right idea:
https://www.gogoro.com/

Battery swap stations and $1500 purchase price, although there is a monthly subscription for the battery swapping.

Cheers,
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:30 pm quote
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I think Piaggio's effort is laughable
What is less laughable is that Piaggio is one of only two manufacturers to have received the huge subsidies from the European Parliament
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Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:45 pm quote
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I think Piaggio's effort is laughable when you consider what other companies are up to, I can't believe they shoehorned in an underpowered and poor range motor into the primavera frame rather than create something new from scratch

For me these guys in Taiwan have the right idea:
https://www.gogoro.com/

Battery swap stations and $1500 purchase price, although there is a monthly subscription for the battery swapping.

Cheers,
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$3500 US for the S2 according to the website. Still cool though.
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:08 am quote
SDG wrote:
My educated guesses....

Available in the USA Q2 2019

Range 80 miles

Top speed 50

Price $5999

Willing to circle back here in 6 months and see if I win any prizes lol.

SDG
I was really hoping you would be right on price... $7,499... Very Deep Sigh.
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:38 am quote
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I was really hoping you would be right on price... $7,499... Very Deep Sigh.
Indeed! As long as they were at it, they might as well have put an electric drive system in a 946 body.
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Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:45 am quote
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voneschenbach wrote:
I was really hoping you would be right on price... $7,499... Very Deep Sigh.
Indeed! As long as they were at it, they might as well have put an electric drive system in a 946 body.
Yes! They may need to wait for Mr. Fusion to power it tho....
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:36 pm quote
voneschenbach wrote:
SDG wrote:
My educated guesses....

Available in the USA Q2 2019

Range 80 miles

Top speed 50

Price $5999

Willing to circle back here in 6 months and see if I win any prizes lol.

SDG
I was really hoping you would be right on price... $7,499... Very Deep Sigh.
Yikes. My family has driven electric for six years or so and it feels weird to have to remember to put gas in my Vespa. I was really hoping beyond hope that the electric ones would be reasonably priced, but nope.
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Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:22 pm quote
They are so over-priced. When Etergo are selling these to the European market for £3,399.

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Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:14 am quote
Elletrica, schmetrica.

Has anyone here actually bought one of these things yet?
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:43 am quote
Jet Peddler wrote:
Elletrica, schmetrica.

Has anyone here actually bought one of these things yet?
Waiting for my dealer to get one to test-ride. Tomorrow I might get to sit on its polar opposite, though: an Indian FT 1200.
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:59 am quote
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Jet Peddler wrote:
Elletrica, schmetrica.

Has anyone here actually bought one of these things yet?
Waiting for my dealer to get one to test-ride. Tomorrow I might get to sit on its polar opposite, though: an Indian FT 1200.
Polar opposites is about as accurate a statement there is for those two bikes/scoots. The FTR 1200 has 120 hp and is reportedly a bat out of hell.

Only problem with the bike is that it's totally confused with it's styling. Nice looking but I think it's trying to be a dirt bike, a naked bike, a sport bike and a standard bike all in one.

I'd love to hear how your test ride goes. We'll see how it does.
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:42 pm quote
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They are so over-priced. When Etergo are selling these to the European market for £3,399.
You're comparing apple to oranges.

2 watt motor max speed 49 Km for 3999 euro

7 watt motor max speed 95 km 5426 euro

so $6000 US. and this looks like a 100% molded body or something. so it's plastic.
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:17 pm quote
Jet Peddler wrote:
amateriat wrote:
Jet Peddler wrote:
Elletrica, schmetrica.

Has anyone here actually bought one of these things yet?
Waiting for my dealer to get one to test-ride. Tomorrow I might get to sit on its polar opposite, though: an Indian FT 1200.
Polar opposites is about as accurate a statement there is for those two bikes/scoots. The FTR 1200 has 120 hp and is reportedly a bat out of hell.

Only problem with the bike is that it's totally confused with it's styling. Nice looking but I think it's trying to be a dirt bike, a naked bike, a sport bike and a standard bike all in one.

I'd love to hear how your test ride goes. We'll see how it does.
Well, they're still sorting out when they'll get their mitts on an Elettrica, but, as promised, I did get to hop on this today:

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Indian FTR 1200: the tricked-out version - Akropovic pipes, extra carbon-fiber bits, Et Cetera. Comfy, and frighteningly gorgeous.



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Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:48 am quote
Nice! Did you get to test ride it? I'm assuming not.

If so, spill!
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Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:29 am quote
Jet Peddler wrote:
Nice! Did you get to test ride it? I'm assuming not.

If so, spill!
Nope, these were just to show...dealer was one of the lucky ones to even get a crack at getting a few for people to gawk at. This bike must be causing sleepless nights in Milwaukee.
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