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Vespas 1964 GS160, 1965 SS180, 1977 V9A1T, 1983 PX150E
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:16 am quote
Don't mind me. It's just that seeing allen heads and Phillips heads on a 60s bike gives me a rash and induces psychological instability.
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Ď64 V90 survivor
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Location: Madison WI
Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:22 am quote
nomadism
I have done searches for slotted cheese head metric screws with no success unless I buy 1000 pieces. If you have a resource let me know.
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59" Allstate
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Location: TC Florida
Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:11 am quote
exmayor wrote:
nomadism
I have done searches for slotted cheese head metric screws with no success unless I buy 1000 pieces. If you have a resource let me know.
I'm not near my scooters at the moment but think those screws are the same size as the screws that attach the flywheel shroud, if they are , Scooter Mercado Carries them in standard and long versions, sold individually.
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Ď64 V90 survivor
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:17 am quote
Fat Amy
Thanks
Also just received an email from Jonathan at Gickspeed, my front axle is repaired. Very thankful he could save it.

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Vespas 1964 GS160, 1965 SS180, 1977 V9A1T, 1983 PX150E
Joined: 16 Apr 2011
Posts: 977
Location: Siam
Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:35 am quote
exmayor wrote:
nomadism
I have done searches for slotted cheese head metric screws with no success unless I buy 1000 pieces. If you have a resource let me know.
Mauro Pascoli has really nice slot head screws for the plate, but their website makes it a bit hard to find them.
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Vespas 1964 GS160, 1965 SS180, 1977 V9A1T, 1983 PX150E
Joined: 16 Apr 2011
Posts: 977
Location: Siam
Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:36 am quote
FatAmy wrote:
exmayor wrote:
nomadism
I have done searches for slotted cheese head metric screws with no success unless I buy 1000 pieces. If you have a resource let me know.
I'm not near my scooters at the moment but think those screws are the same size as the screws that attach the flywheel shroud, if they are , Scooter Mercado Carries them in standard and long versions, sold individually.
Those are pretty darn close and would look a lot better.
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Vespas 1964 GS160, 1965 SS180, 1977 V9A1T, 1983 PX150E
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:37 am quote
exmayor wrote:
Fat Amy
Thanks
Also just received an email from Jonathan at Gickspeed, my front axle is repaired. Very thankful he could save it.
Interesting. What was wrong with it and what did he do?
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Ď64 V90 survivor
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Location: Madison WI
Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:03 am quote
Fatamy
In trying to dismantle the front end I was unaware that the pinion nut was left hand thread. After rounding it off with my battery impact wrench I tried to get it off with a small cold chisel and hammer. Finally took it to a machinist when I realized left hand threads. Needed threads cleaned up to fit new pinion.
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Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:55 am quote
exmayor wrote:
Fat Amy
Thanks
Also just received an email from Jonathan at Gickspeed, my front axle is repaired. Very thankful he could save it.
nice save!
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Ď64 V90 survivor
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Location: Madison WI
Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:09 am quote
Gickspeed has rebuilt the stator even tied the wires off with cotton string as he found the old ones.

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Ď64 V90 survivor
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Location: Madison WI
Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:03 pm quote
Front suspension I sent to Gickspeed when I shipped him the motor is done. Bearings, seal, new speedo pinion and Newfren brake shoes. Decided to have the bearings changed since they still sounded rough. It will never be seen but now I know when i reassemble it that itís right.

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Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:21 pm quote
exmayor wrote:
Gickspeed has rebuilt the stator even tied the wires off with cotton string as he found the old ones.
Nice. Personally, I ditch the internal HT coil for a remote HT coil on all these early 90 models. Way more reliable. No wiring butchery needed, just a red wire from the points to the external HT coil... Your HT coil does look good, but ...they do fail unexpectedly.

And how does the rubber plug fit on the front suspension link? The hole looks a bit messy...
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Ď64 V90 survivor
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:08 am quote
vma1racer
Thanks for the heads up on the coil. At the moment I am thinking of using a Pinasco ignition.
The rubber plug hole will be filled by the flange on the Crimaz bracket. I have a thin o ring to seal it and if that doesnít get flat enough will use a thin coat of RTV so no problem with sealing.
The pivot gets new bearings and o rings and am replacing the whole headset bearing assembly. Found some beginning dimples on the lower race of the fork. Thought it would b best to renew everything since it is all apart.

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a herd of easy shifty rats
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Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:49 am quote
exmayor wrote:
vma1racer
Thanks for the heads up on the coil. At the moment I am thinking of using a Pinasco ignition.
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Well that shock looks divine & good call on new fork bearings but I wonder why you want to put a Flytech Pinasco setup on it. Unless Gick is building you a monster motor, spending over 400 bucks plus shipping doesn't seem necessary. I like points over electronic anyway because it's easier to diagnose plus Gick just did such a great job on the old stator which would be replaced. If it was me, I'd do as vma1 suggests and keep the original points and 400+ dollars.
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1964 V9A1T
Joined: 27 Oct 2018
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Location: Tucson Az
Sat Oct 27, 2018 7:20 am quote
following with great interest. recently picked up a similar project, red 1964 small door 90. cant believe i need to use a drift to remove the front axel to change brake shoes ?
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GTS 300 sei giorni, LXV 125ie and V90
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Location: Eternal Spring Country/Guatemala
Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:19 am quote
sjashe wrote:
following with great interest. recently picked up a similar project, red 1964 small door 90. cant believe i need to use a drift to remove the front axel to change brake shoes ?
I have not been able to change the brake shoes neither install the speedometer cable since I have not been able to open it, it seem to be welded, but I am sure I ma doing something wrong.
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Ď64 V90 survivor
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Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:40 am quote
If you have the early one piece axle like this the speedo drive and nut are a single piece.
They are behind the rubber plug and are left hand thread. Donít attempt to loosen them in the normal way. It loosens in a clockwise direction. Be sure to use a snug fitting six point socket and have it seated all the way on.
Once the nut/gear is off it should slide out.

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Ď64 V90 survivor
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Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:15 am quote
ValVitola
Posted a picture of the inside of his headset when he was wrestling with the headlight. It answered my question on how the speedo bracket attaches and what the mystery hole with wear marks is in the underside of Elenaís headset.

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Was able to find speedo bracket and the throttle tube spring.

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'81 P200E, '80 P200E, '64 V90 and 3 Ciaos
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Location: Tucson, AZ
Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:13 pm quote
Thank you for sharing all the information you've collected on your early V9A build. This thread is a wealth of information!

I've ordered the same Newfren brake pads for my project. They may not be period correct, but I would prioritize stopping power over style points.

The shocks look interesting as well. Mine are shot and I was considering stock replacement, but I will give it some more consideration after seeing these. The info on the front hub was useful as well, as I probably have to rebuild mine. When you lift up on the front end of the bike, it makes a clunk sound which suggests that the steering bearings are shot. The cover for the fork pivot that's been long absent as well , so that will probably need to be rebuilt as well.
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GTS 300 sei giorni, LXV 125ie and V90
Joined: 11 Mar 2018
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Location: Eternal Spring Country/Guatemala
Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:57 pm quote
exmayor wrote:
If you have the early one piece axle like this the speedo drive and nut are a single piece.
They are behind the rubber plug and are left hand thread. Donít attempt to loosen them in the normal way. It loosens in a clockwise direction. Be sure to use a snug fitting six point socket and have it seated all the way on.
Once the nut/gear is off it should slide out.
Now it makes sense!! Thank you soo much.
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Ď64 V90 survivor
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Location: Madison WI
Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:38 am quote
Iím wondering about the proper color for the fan shroud. I have seen them in both the body color like the photo of Elena and in silver like the ones to the left side of the factory photo.
Which is correct?

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1964 V9A1T
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Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:57 am quote
my 64 has a red cover, but there is some rattle can over spray, cant imagine painting over chrome though.
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Ď64 V90 survivor
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Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:05 pm quote
Found the elusive headlight screen on the SIP website. Mounts to the mirror bracket threads on the bottom of the headset. Will need to fit a spacer in the rear mounting hole to keep the mirror brackets flat and use longer bolts.
https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/grill+headlamp+for+headlamp+_81583100

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GTS 300 sei giorni, LXV 125ie and V90
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Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:30 pm quote
exmayor wrote:
Iím wondering about the proper color for the fan shroud. I have seen them in both the body color like the photo of Elena and in silver like the ones to the left side of the factory photo.
Which is correct?
Before 68 the color of the fan shroud/flywheel cover matches the body color.
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GTS 300 sei giorni, LXV 125ie and V90
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Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:44 pm quote
See here color of that cover and front tube

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Ď64 V90 survivor
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Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:06 am quote
Thanks Val
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Ď64 V90 survivor
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Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:25 am quote
I have a question on fitting the legshield trim. Have looked at many smallies and on some it stops just on top of the outer floor rail and others that go just past the floor rail end cap and is secured by the rivet that attaches the end cap.
I have the trim and the install tool and will be installing it in the spring before I install the fork in Elena.
Thanks.

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Practice install need to do some work on straightening leggy bead before I make another attempt.

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Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:55 pm quote
exmayor wrote:
I have a question on fitting the legshield trim. Have looked at many smallies and on some it stops just on top of the outer floor rail and others that go just past the floor rail end cap and is secured by the rivet that attaches the end cap.
I have the trim and the install tool and will be installing it in the spring before I install the fork in Elena.
Thanks.
The early 50s/90, and VMA1 had the longer leg shield trim, extending 50mm or so below the outer floor rail end cap. The currently available Rapido/RMS/Mec-Eur trim is the shorter 1968 and later style...

I wouldn't peel off trim that was intact on the early models with good original paint...unless it was beyond salvage, or in case of a repaint. In those cases you just have to deal with what's out there.

I realize your 90 came to you without trim. The one advantage of the shorter leg shield beading is you don't have to disturb the outer floor rail (apart from maybe smashing the rivet to tighten the end cap). You might want to get a set of saints cycleworks bead straightening pliers:

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Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:30 pm quote
exmayor wrote:
Iím wondering about the proper color for the fan shroud. I have seen them in both the body color like the photo of Elena and in silver like the ones to the left side of the factory photo.
Which is correct?
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Yours should be body color, as 1964/1965 would be.

The photo you posted looks like maybe 1965/66.The large frames overhead look like Sprint/Super (ribbed cowls), and the light blue frames look like Pedali (also note they take the early small fuel tank). The red and blue bikes on the line appear to have the short engine door, but the last of those had hinged doors, probably coincidental with the silver fan cover.

Just an educated guess...
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Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:46 pm quote
vma1racer
Thanks for the info
I picked up the tool from Joe and it is waiting for use in spring.
I can borrow the floor rivet tool so will pull the outer loose and extend the trim under it.
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