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Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:42 am quote
My new scooter is being delivered today!

I live in Fresno but saw this Craig’s List ad for a 1981 P200 in Vancouver WA. I bought it and it is being delivered to my friend qascooter’s house in Florence, OR for safekeeping. (See my Transporting Vespas post Transporting Vespas I have friends and family in Florence and this will be my Oregon Ride whenever I visit.

I have to admit that I did this deal on impulse without a lot of thinking. Sometimes those things work for me, sometimes they don’t… just ask my two ex-wives.

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Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:48 am quote
And I am waiting patiently for your brother in law to deliver the goods.
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Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:21 pm quote
Arrival
The scooter is here! It coughed briefly with what was left in the float bowl. No time today to get it running, but should have time this weekend!

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In the back of the Durango - Pull out the plywood, and it's out!

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It's in the garage...

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Repaired crack on the headset

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Trim scuffed up and legshield took a hit at some point.

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Front fender

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From the back.

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Looks like the seller removed the license plate. It's going to make it difficult to drive into town...

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Tires, tubes, and mirrors...

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Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:28 pm quote
Lucky you! I was looking on that on the PDX Craiglist. Looks like there are a few reasonably priced Vespas there this week. Congrats on the new ride. Hope it's stellar.
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Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:44 am quote
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Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:44 pm quote
At that price and with an engine that runs, it was really hard to resist... and obviously I couldn't. Of course, it could turn out to be a real lemon but the seller knows his motor vehicles and I have a lot of confidence in him.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:31 am quote
depending on how the engine turns out it looks like a great deal.
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Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:17 am quote
Good luck with the project. Seems like you got a pretty good deal!
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Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:53 pm quote
So far everything is looking good. There are the little things of course like some frayed wires, deteriorated rubber, etc, but otherwise the only significant issues we’ve found so far have to do with air and oil.

The engine runs only when the choke is pulled out so we are thinking that there is probably an air leak somewhere… most likely around the carb box. If it’s not an air leak or if it’s not an air leak around the carb box, then we are going to have to do a little more troubleshooting.

There is also an oil leak. Yes, that’s part of owning a Vespa but we’d like to eliminate it if possible. The oil tank is secured tightly to the gas tank but we are thinking that the seal between the oil tank and the gas tank may have deteriorated. If that’s not the source, we are going to have to do some more searching.

All in all, we are encouraged by what we have found. It looks like this might have been a pretty good move after all!
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Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:47 pm quote
We’ve run into another complication with the carburation. We found that this 20/20 has been running with a stack of 160 Air/BE3 Mixer/95 main jet. That seems a little small and I wonder if that might be a reason that we are having to run with the choke out. Looking on the forum I see that most 20/20 seem to run with a 98 or 100 or even larger. I’m planning on buying some larger jets but I don’t know HOW large. Any thoughts?

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Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:03 pm quote
Ditch the 20/20 and put in a 24/24 with jets that match a stock 24 carb.
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Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:35 pm quote
x2 on what MJ said.

...and with a Sito+, the 24-24 carb usually requires a 160, BE3, and somewhere around a 125 main.
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Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:10 pm quote
Yes whodatschrome, you and MJRally are correct... this P200 needs a 24/24 carburetor... and it would get one if it was my primary ride... but it isn't. My primary P200 is in Fresno with a 24/24 but this new scoot is my vacation ride and I will probably be riding it only a couple of weeks a year when I am visiting family in Oregon.

For that reason, I'm trying to keep costs down while getting it up and running. When I bring it back to California in a few years, then I can get serious about doing the needed upgrades.

For now though I just want to get it going with the existing 20/20 and ride with that for a while.

That's why I'm looking for help with the jetting.
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:43 am quote
I think you’re about 10 sizes too small on the main. Try 105-110.
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:14 am quote


Here's the stock chart. A Rally 180 is your closest comparable so I'd say SCG is about right.
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:58 am quote
Thank you Voodoo and SoCalGuy and Yes, your chart is really helpful and in fact, I downloaded it long ago as a reference. I had been looking at the p125 with the 20/20 as the best comparison to my P200 so it’s good to know that the Rally 180 is a better choice.

Right now we have a 160 Air/BE3 Mixer/95 main jet so if change to a BE2 mixer and a main jet around 109 I should be ok. Does that sound about right?

Now it’s time for a couple of dumb questions… what is the correct name for the smaller jet next to the main stack? I have heard it called Corrector, Mid-range, Transition, etc. What is the most common terminology? Right now we have 38-120 jet but I don’t see any designation on your chart for a two number jet so I don’t know what I should have in this 20/20 setup.

Second dumb question… what is the difference between a Starter Jet and a Slow Running jet? Is one of them under the float and if so, where is the other. I couldn’t find the answer on the forum.
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:05 pm quote
No such thing as dumb questions on this forum. Ok, well maybe some, but not this one. Besides we’re all friends here!

See pic below. The jet the person is holding (labeled “slow run jet”) is referred to by most people as the “idle jet”. Some call it the “pilot jet”.

The “starter jet” is the one to the right of the main stack. It sits under the float cover. It only comes into play when the choke is pulled - hence the name.

And yes, the chart is confusing. It doesn’t really identify the idle (slow running) jet. The one you have should be ok for now, may be on the rich side. Someone on here… Larry?… has a P with a 20/20. I’m sure he can tell you how his is jetted.

Hope this helps.



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Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:16 pm quote
Fatbear5 wrote:
Thank you Voodoo and SoCalGuy and Yes, your chart is really helpful and in fact, I downloaded it long ago as a reference. I had been looking at the p125 with the 20/20 as the best comparison to my P200 so it’s good to know that the Rally 180 is a better choice.

Right now we have a 160 Air/BE3 Mixer/95 main jet so if change to a BE2 mixer and a main jet around 109 I should be ok. Does that sound about right?

Now it’s time for a couple of dumb questions… what is the correct name for the smaller jet next to the main stack? I have heard it called Corrector, Mid-range, Transition, etc. What is the most common terminology? Right now we have 38-120 jet but I don’t see any designation on your chart for a two number jet so I don’t know what I should have in this 20/20 setup.

Second dumb question… what is the difference between a Starter Jet and a Slow Running jet? Is one of them under the float and if so, where is the other. I couldn’t find the answer on the forum.
Some P200's came with a 24/24 but had the same jets as a 20/20 on some P200's. Those 24/24 carbs had smaller passage ways then common 24/24 carbs. From my memory it was 120 air, BE4 mixer, and a 109 main. The pilot was 55/160.
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:49 pm quote
Yes, SoCalGuy that does help a lot. My current Idle jet is marked “38-120” so I’m guessing that on Voodoo’s chart that would be a “38”. I see that the Rally 180 takes a “50” slow run jet but I have found catalog listings for 50/100 , 50/120, 50/140 and so forth, but I have no idea which of those would I want to run Any suggestions?

Sorry, but while I’m comfortable working with the main stack, I’ve never worked with the idle jet before and I’m thinking that because the main stack appears to be incorrect for this20/20 carb, perhaps the idle jet is wrong as well. Hence, all my questions.
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:34 pm quote
Most likely 50/160
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Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:40 pm quote
Center Stand
So I've been itching to work on Fatbear's scooter, and today I finally got some time to do just that. I should've cleaned it up first, but was too antsy to get busy, so I removed the side stand and reinstalled the center stand.

I didn't pay enough attention when I took it apart and these flat pieces of metal fell out. Hmmm. I did a search which pointed me to a thread here on MV that explained what's what, and also the trick about using a zip tie on the spring to help get it hooked. Worked like a charm! Woohoo - I finally got one thing accomplished!

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The Center stand in all it's greasy glory.

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Side stand is out. No pictures of the center stand installed. I forgot!

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Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:11 pm quote
qascooter got the center stand aligned so now we are focusing on a pesky oil leak. Once the scooter gets a Power Washer treatment we should better be able to find out where it's coming from.

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Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:44 pm quote
OK, now I feel like pigpen, seeing the 10 projects and crap all over my bench. Looks like I should get to cleaning and organizing before it takes over. Wait - too late!
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:40 pm quote
Fatbear5 wrote:
Yes, SoCalGuy that does help a lot. My current Idle jet is marked “38-120” so I’m guessing that on Voodoo’s chart that would be a “38”. I see that the Rally 180 takes a “50” slow run jet but I have found catalog listings for 50/100 , 50/120, 50/140 and so forth, but I have no idea which of those would I want to run Any suggestions?

Sorry, but while I’m comfortable working with the main stack, I’ve never worked with the idle jet before and I’m thinking that because the main stack appears to be incorrect for this20/20 carb, perhaps the idle jet is wrong as well. Hence, all my questions.
Fatbear.. I used this chart to find jet sizes to get back to standard setting.

http://scooterlounge.com/vespa/reference-library/vespa-stock-jetting-reference-guide.shtml

Does this help?

PS: Sorry.. I just saw Voodoo already put the same chart up!! Doh!
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:31 pm quote
No qascooter, a cluttered workbench is not a bad thing... a clean workbench means you aren't doing anything!
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:00 pm quote
qascooter wrote:
OK, now I feel like pigpen, seeing the 10 projects and crap all over my bench. Looks like I should get to cleaning and organizing before it takes over. Wait - too late!
Psh...that mess is nothing, in fact i don't even see a mess. I've been clealing and organizing my 90' x 40' shop for the past month. It was a HUGE mess! I had a maze of trails that i had to use to get from one end to the other. It's looking MUCH better now. I bought about a 100' of metal shelving from TOYs R Us this summer when they went out of business. They were liqudating everything that was or wasn't bolted down.
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Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:11 pm quote
I agree whodatschrome but sometimes a clean work space can be a good thing.

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Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:06 pm quote
Fatbear5 wrote:
I agree whodatschrome but sometimes a clean work space can be a good thing.
If I was working in that shop, I'm afraid I wouldn't get anything done!

BUT, I did clean off the bench, getting ready for Flo's various bits - starting with the carb. And parts came today!

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Look at that beautiful bench!

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Lots of new bits.

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Flo's a bit cleaner - a good bath always helps...

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Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:58 am quote
Great pics. Enjoying this thread. You're lucky to have the space to work on scoots!
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:15 am quote
Jet Peddler wrote:
Great pics. Enjoying this thread. You're lucky to have the space to work on scoots!
Thanks Jet. but the garage space is literally 1/4 of a 2 car garage. The van takes up one side, and a closet takes up a good 1/2 of the leftover area, which leaves me with a packed garage. I'm making it work though!
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:02 am quote
nice workspace quascooter
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:04 am quote
I love it that you now have a practice scooter to try any repairs you're unsure of before you do same to Ruby .

Seriously, good on ya for doing this and sharing your skills. I think somebody should be changing their name to LuckyBear!
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:42 pm quote
hibbert wrote:
nice workspace quascooter
Thanks Hibbert - It's just right! I'm afraid if I had more room, I'd have more crap to fill it!
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Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:20 pm quote
Carb work
I took out the carb today and gave it a thorough chem dip. Oh, how nice it would be to give my body a dip in some hot springs!, wait, that must be the chem dip buzz I've got going on...

Just before I pulled the carb I was inspecting around the carb in the carb box to ensure nothing loose could fall in the hole when I pulled the carb. I found something that I thought was part of the carb but it turned out to be a little rock! Yup, a rock in the carb box. Yes, I took a pic.

And I've decided to just pull the tank and replace the hoses and clean everything up before putting the carb back in. I've already siphoned the gas out of the tank so it shouldn't take too much. I hope I didn't just jynx myself.

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Carb box right after taking out the carb - it's got a lot of crud in there.

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The little rock banging around in the carb box.

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Dirty carb ready for disassembly.

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Another angle of the carb

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Chem dip is done - carb has been sprayed out with carb cleaner and is ready for reassembly with new bits. You might have to zoom in to see the cleanliness.

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Carb box is cleaned, as well as the lid. And nothing fell into the hole!

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Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:58 pm quote
V oodoo wrote:
I love it that you now have a practice scooter to try any repairs you're unsure of before you do same to Ruby .

Seriously, good on ya for doing this and sharing your skills. I think somebody should be changing their name to LuckyBear!
Dang, and here I thought nobody would find out my real reason for taking this scooter in and operating on it - ha! I like LuckyBear - that might stick.
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:11 pm quote
You’re right Voodoo, I should be calling myself Luckybear however I am not qualified to get rid of the Fatbear name right now.

I am really lucky to have a friend like qascooter who enjoys working on my scooter and as long as he is having fun, I’m more than happy for him to continue to do so… but only as long as he is enjoying it.

That’s a funny line Voodoo about qascooter having someone else’s scooter to practice on before wor… hey, wait a minute!
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Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:07 pm quote
Rebuilt the carb and pulled the tank. The fuel line is as stiff as a stick! I'm glad LuckyBear sent me that box of parts from HotRodScotterParts which included new fuel and oil lines. At first glance the body cavity looks not too bad but there is a fair amount of oil just sitting on the tray that covers up the tunnel. We'll see when I pull the tray.

I'm also going to replace all the seals on the tray and take a look at the petcock. The handle is on backwards and it looks like the screws are loose, so I might as well take it apart while I'm in there.

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Tank out - time to clean it up, replace seals, and check out petcock.

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Looking into the body cavity - where's the kidneys? Wrong body cavity...

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Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:38 pm quote
Well, it's been a little while and I've done a few things, but not a whole lot.

The oil tank had some stress cracks on it, so I patched them with some stuff called Marine Goop, after wiping down with alcohol. Looks like it's holding fine, if they were leaking at all. More insurance than anything.

The autolube oil spring was sticking and holding the carb slide from closing ever so slightly. So when I disconnected the fuel banjo, gas was going everywhere. I never checked if the fuel tap was working properly. My bad. I was too excited to get this thing running, which it did, for a few minutes, then died. I could restart it with plenty of choke, so I quit that nonsense and that's when I discovered the autolube sticking.

After draining the tank (again) and pulling out the tank (again) I took a peek under the autolube cover to see if something was sticking. Highly unlikely but I could see someone else had been in there by the head of the bolt. I didn't find anything glaring inside except that the gasket was covering 1/2 the intake hole! I trimmed the gasket and reinstalled. And now the spring is working properly! - crazy but I'll take it. I put the carb back in and it's now closing properly.

In the meantime I took apart the fuel tap and it was toast three pieces needed replacing, but LuckyBear has chosen to have a new fuel tap installed, and he's also sending the tool so I can do it! Wooohoo - new tools!

So tomorrow the parts arrive, and hopefully I'll get this baby running! On to the pictures!

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Nice and clean in there now!

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Stress cracks in the tank - covered with Marine Goop

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Good in fuel situations and wetness.

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Autolube with the gasket covering a portion of an oil port.

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Tank is hangin. The oil tank is not leaking and I'll be able to verify the new fuel tap BEFORE I install it. :-)

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This piece, the rubber seal, and the pressure ring all needed to be replaced. This piece has a groove in it from the pressure ring.

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Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:20 pm quote
FYI, those two little screws on the petcock are normally loose. If you tighten them up all the way, it can make it VERY difficult to turn the lever on and off. At the same time, if they are too loose, fuel can leak out. There's definitely a happy medium for having a few loose screws.
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Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:48 am quote
It’s really strange to be so excited about a scooter that I’ve never actually seen… kind of like waiting to meet a mail order bride. I like tinkering with my P200 in Fresno but I am also really enjoying qascooter’s reports on all the work he is doing on my Oregon P200. The photos are great! Thanks for all your posts qascooter!

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