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Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:01 am quote
anyone have this done recently? looking for most affordable option. I have key card and I am looking for inexpensive shop to cut key blanks from the code.

I have the "chip needs to match ECU" side of things covered. I am just looking for shop in USA that can cut key blank from code card.

Last edited by jerryd on Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:31 am; edited 1 time in total
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:41 am quote
The code on the key card is useless - I've no idea why Piaggio even provide it. Have you no keys at all at the moment? Is this for an MP3 or a GTS?
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:13 am quote
code is certainly not useless. this provides original blade cut info.


I have MP3 500 purchased with no keys. lock not tampered with. key card was under seat. I purchase device to grab key codes from ecu, cloning device. correct chips. now I just need key blanks and someone to cut them from the code. I dont care about not having seat remote. this is a budget project. need to hear engine before I make any decisions on what to do with scooter.

I found key blanks for 2.85, 4.95, 9.85 28.00 etc.
looking for shop that can cut blade from key card info.
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:18 am quote
You want mp3?.....you gotta pay!!
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Wed Sep 26, 2018 2:27 pm quote
This won't help you directly, but here in Toronto we have a few mobile locksmiths who specialize in automotive / motorcycle keys. They come to your house and can cut a key from the number code. (I happen to have used a mobile service, but I am sure many locksmith shops can do the same.) These mobile locksmiths advertise on Kijiji and / or Craigslist - maybe you have something similar in your area?

Alternately, I believe AF1 racing has fairly extensive key-cutting services and could probably cut the key from codes and mail it back to you.

That being said, depending on the age of your bike, this may or may not work out. I think this is what jimc was getting at. My bike is 2006, and when they first cnc cut me a key from codes it did not work at all. I was only able to get a working key once they did a physical trace from my existing key. The problem is that the keys and barrel wear together, and so your current key may be quite different than the original cut.
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Thu Sep 27, 2018 12:53 am quote
with only cut keys it wont run you need t5 chips programmed with the same code as the throttlebody
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Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:52 am quote
jerryd wrote:
code is certainly not useless. this provides original blade cut info.


I have MP3 500 purchased with no keys. lock not tampered with. key card was under seat. I purchase device to grab key codes from ecu, cloning device. correct chips. now I just need key blanks and someone to cut them from the code. I dont care about not having seat remote. this is a budget project. need to hear engine before I make any decisions on what to do with scooter.

I found key blanks for 2.85, 4.95, 9.85 28.00 etc.
looking for shop that can cut blade from key card info.
You need to learn a little bit more about the bike you purchased without keys...

"Jimc" knows what he's talking about.

Since you have "No Key to Clone", you will have to change out some Hardware to get the MP3 running again.

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Marietta, GA
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Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:08 am quote
I am not sure on whether they would work, but he did say in his second post that he already has programmed chips for this bike and just needs cut key blanks to put them in.
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Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:52 am quote
yes I know how the immobilizer works on these scooters. and I am aware of all the options.

I currently could proceed by placing programmed chip near antenna, and start bike by removing the electric junction from back of lock and turning it without key. but its delicate and I dont want to damage it. the mp3 locks are pricey on ebay. I want it working so I can sell it. My plan is to convert bike to two wheeler by using a vespa front fork assembly. at that point I would switch to vespa style locks. I went programmed chip route only for this reason.

so yes I seek a shop that can cut key blank from code. I have dont this with cars many times over. My local lock smith I use doesnt have the key data they would need to do it. and my local vespa dealer has no key equipment at all.

there arent gonna be many shops that can do this.
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Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:57 am quote
jerryd wrote:
My local lock smith I use doesnt have the key data they would need to do it.
None of them do. That's why the code card is useless.

Try placing your 'programmed' chip near the antenna, and turning the switch on. If this works (and I'd not put any money at all on that) then you're OK just to swap out the lockset - or use a standard DPDT switch instead. If not, then it's a new lockset and a virgin throttle body that's required. AF1 racing and others can 'virginize' your current throttle body.

It's the throttle body that's programmed to accept the keys, not the other way round...
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Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:33 pm quote
jimc wrote:
jerryd wrote:
My local lock smith I use doesnt have the key data they would need to do it.
None of them do. That's why the code card is useless.

Try placing your 'programmed' chip near the antenna, and turning the switch on. If this works (and I'd not put any money at all on that) then you're OK just to swap out the lockset - or use a standard DPDT switch instead. If not, then it's a new lockset and a virgin throttle body that's required. AF1 racing and others can 'virginize' your current throttle body.

It's the throttle body that's programmed to accept the keys, not the other way round...
this bloke is doing what I am looking for. you only have to watch 30 seconds of his video. he cut blank mp3 keys from the key card data. so the card is not useless. is it that no one in usa has the code data?
I also ran my project vespa for some time with no ignition. the key was simply taped to antenna. maybe it wont work for you?
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Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:53 pm quote
Why don't you contact www.cheshireautolocksmiths.co.uk and see if they will do it for you? They apparently have the codes and the equipment.
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Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:08 pm quote
It might be worth asking at a Fiat car dealership, as they use the same key blank and code card for some models.

If you can find someone that can cut a Fiat key from the code, they might be able to do yours, and not know it.
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Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:31 am quote
he cloned the user keys

not the master

i've the equiment also to read the throttleboy and program the T5 but cutting the keys with the keycard no you can buy a key from Fiat with the keycard but its doesn't works always

And its not true that you can't open the seat with out keys
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Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:25 am quote
jerryd wrote:
Anyone have this done recently?
The response would appear to be no.
jerryd wrote:
I am aware Scooter West can do it.
Again, the answer would appear to be no.
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Piaggio Mp3 500, 2015
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Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:10 pm quote
My local key cut shop, (London UK), done a copy from my key, without any card or master key for 30
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Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:21 pm quote
Trinacria74 wrote:
My local key cut shop, (London UK), done a copy from my key, without any card or master key for 30
Yes, we all know a key can be cloned. In this case, there is no key to be cloned, just a key code card (reputed to be able to help cut new keys, but I've only once *ever* heard it can be done, see video above) and the ECU has only the service key number that is available - no way to reproduce a master key. So good luck selling that bike without one...

A new lockset and a virgin ECU is the way to go to restore to original. However in this case apparently this MP3 is going to lose a front wheel anyway - so it might be far simpler to just use a service-key chip near the antenna and some other simple ignition key system.
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Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:00 pm quote
the days of worrying about having the master key are over if you ask me. you can buy cloning device cheap now and they are only gonna get cheaper. t5 chips are outdated technology at present. this device was 33.50 shipped. was a snap too use. the JMA keys are nice quality at about 7 with chip. blade copy 2. I had two bikes with one key each. for a little over 50 I have already cloned two bikes for myself. not worth the risk of mailing off a key. the programmable key from vespa (only if you have red key) is 35 in itself. plus the 2 to cut it. bike programs for free. whatever. the cloning device clones any working key. so I dont care if it is red or blue. one of my bikes had a red key the other a blue one. it cloned both in less than a minute.

I also purchase device that removes both key codes from ecu. then with codes manually entered the cloner can program t5 chips. or if you didnt have a good lock it can also virginize the ecu to be used with any new to the bike key. while this device not as cheap. it pays for itself on the second job. I have no plans to make money with these. they are affordable to have in my own toolbox.

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Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:05 am quote
i've got news for you you can't virgin the ecu of the mp3 with that
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Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:51 am quote
jerryd wrote:
this device was 33.50 shipped. was a snap too use. the JMA keys are nice quality at about 7 with chip. blade copy 2.
This is interesting. Have you got a link for such a device?
Hooked
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Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:12 am quote
Maksor wrote:
i've got news for you you can't virgin the ecu of the mp3 with that
with what? you dont know what tool I purchase to do that. key/chip cloner pictured is from ebay. 33.50 shipped in the usa
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Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:53 am quote
Piaggio disabled it it only works on older ecu's got a Kess V2 and immotool both wont set the ecu in virginstate you only can alter the hex code of the keys
Hooked
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Sun Sep 30, 2018 1:43 pm quote
berto wrote:
jerryd wrote:
this device was 33.50 shipped. was a snap too use. the JMA keys are nice quality at about 7 with chip. blade copy 2.
This is interesting. Have you got a link for such a device?
On U Tube there is a UK site named Motomatrix. They tell all you want to know about this with video.
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Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:44 am quote
JKJ-FZ6 wrote:
Why don't you contact www.cheshireautolocksmiths.co.uk and see if they will do it for you? They apparently have the codes and the equipment.
emailed them twice with no response.

got the engine started with a chip taped to ignition. undecided on what to try next as far key and lock is concerned.. may just take lock off and see if they can make a key from their skill set.

may give him card number and tell him its a fiat and see if that make a difference. he didnt have data when I told him it was a vespa.
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:32 pm quote
We've got the ignition switch and keys in stock, but it's not cheap. You should be able to put the chip from your master key into this master key, then program the slave key into the system. I sell a few Kymco parts, and it has the same sort of feel and build quality as some of their big scooter ignitions. I wouldn't be surprised if it was made in Taiwan.

https://scooterpartsco.com/piaggio/piaggio-mp3-500/ignition-switch-and-keys-for-piaggio-mp3
Hooked
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Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:52 am quote
Maksor, do you know how the seat remote key programming works? is there mating with ecu? or?
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:57 am quote
well turn key in on postition push button and do that 4x and the seat will unlock be quick otherwise it will be locking again
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