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Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:31 pm quote
Hi, although I'm stoked with a sleeper p200, I've always liked the earlier Vespas without their added squareness and the funky indicators. The plan is to backdate my P range a little, smooth panels and a bajaj fender,(it has a seam but no side indent's) gs indicators and lower rear bumper on route from Tasso. Mockup of said panels on a Stella, sorry, and testing out some tail lights.

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Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:19 pm quote
Here are the various light options I have, the small one I bought from Russia!

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Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:29 pm quote
Well, you must have something under the hood since you have a 226 pipe. I've don't have any issues with the indentations, but at the same time I'm not a big fan of them. I've pounded the indentations out of the cowls on one of my projects before. The T5 fender looks to much better than the standard PX. But if you're after a more round look, then the T5 probably isn't your first choice. That Baja fender looks alright to me. Baja Chetak cowls can also be fairly easily modified to fit the early P series. They don't have the indentations either. At one point I had a Bajaj cowls and glovebox on my P.

So what's up with that front fork that spun around 180 degrees? At first I thought it was a leading arm suspension from a ET4, but now that I look again, it looks like a 20mm PX fork with a fender mounted on backwards.
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Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:31 pm quote
Quick mockup, sorry, I knew it was a little funky! I went for the Bajaj fender as it still has the seam to match the rest of the body, and is a little curvier.

Here's the link to its build thread, Thanks Chuck for such a sweet deal!

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Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:23 pm quote
I LOVE the small round tail light... but maybe mounted on the tractor light mounting.... or not... it's your scoot. I've seen someone here use a round trailer light that is very similar to the tuna can light.

Definitely have to change out the horncast... I believe there are rounder ones available for the P. http://www.allstyles-scooters.com/acatalog/vespa_horn_cast.html
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Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:19 pm quote
Not totally sure about changing the horn cast, part of me likes how that keeps it keeps it a P, I do think the tasso indicators will really help with the front end. From some angles the little light makes me think of a wart!
Non "gs horn cast"' px for demonstrative purposes.

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Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:28 am quote
I'd love to see bar end indicators.... then blank out the cutouts in the legshield. Not sure if this is possible.

But if angularity is what you're trying to eliminate, then the horncast is screaming to be replaced. A nice smooth curve there instead would be very pleasing. And you'd have plenty of people looking at your scooter scratching their heads wondering "what exactly is that?"

If you're not sold on the taillight yet, here's a faux tuna can light on the tractor mounting....

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Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:46 am quote
I actually already own the indicator blank offs from that kit, but they look and fit so-so, and as my kids may eventually ride pillion, best to keep indicators for safety! I may change the horn cast eventually, not sure, still working out the options. I'll probably use the license plate to mount led turn signals in the rear, not sure yet. Thanks for the interest and replies!
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Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:48 am quote
I quite like the alternative light on the stock mount, thanks for another option to consider!
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Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:36 pm quote
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I'd love to see bar end indicators.... then blank out the cutouts in the legshield. Not sure if this is possible.
You not seen my orange bastard? blood sweat n beards .... anything can be done if you try. .... I wanted one made of just vespa bits but it does have lml select bars n headset bottom
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Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:47 pm quote
Having had some difficulty tracking down a complete Stella/lml front end, and as the Grimeca kits alone are $380, I just scored an et4 front end inc m/c on fleabay. Time to talk to machine shops, and scope out mounting the reservoir.
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Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:52 pm quote
This scooter's fork inspired me!

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Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:48 pm quote
Parts finally arrived Christmas eve from Tasso, (from the 17th of September) I cleverly, I thought, paid extra to have the color of the indicators matched, but decided I'd paint the bumper when I paint the other body parts.
Sadly the bumper has no indents or any manufactured way to hold it on, just pressure from the side panel rubbers, wth! I'll take some pics tomorrow, but here's how they look mocked on:

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Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:50 pm quote
Rear bumper:

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Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:00 pm quote
3/4 view, a TSR horncast is on route(slowly)!

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Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:03 pm quote
The TSR GS style horn cast got here quicker than expected, I'll mock up a quick photo after lunch!
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:30 pm quote
The TSR Horncast is here, (I wish they had it fit with factory size screws) it's just resting on there, so pardon the gaps. I like it!

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Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:31 pm quote
Side view:

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Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:32 pm quote
Pardon the post, had to hurry to take these, and it's time to feed the horde!

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Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:40 pm quote
biggraham wrote:
Not totally sure about changing the horn cast, part of me likes how that keeps it keeps it a P, I do think the tasso indicators will really help with the front end. From some angles the little light makes me think of a wart!
Non "gs horn cast"' px for demonstrative purposes.
Nice, with the little tail light.
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:11 pm quote
Seems to fit really well and I like the change. The bike is coming along quite nicely. I have similar plans for a late model Bajaj frame. Have you thought about paint yet?

Is it metal? I put one on an '07 Stella frame and had to remove or grind the crap out of the stock lugs & brackets as well as remove the stock Stella ignition switch mounted on the front of the fork lock and grind back the lock housing to clear the horncast. Then use the thinnest horn I could find.

I got it in a swap and don't think it's same as yours. Looks like it lays flatter to the legshield.


I think yours has more room underneath to avoid all that grinding. This one's metal & held on w/ 3 screws.


Dunno where it came from but wouldn't mind finding another like it if the TSR isn't metal.
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:56 pm quote
The TSR one is metal, I'd prefer the one you have, but mine's a pretty easy fit!
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:59 pm quote
As to paint, I'm considering an Eddie Grimstead style, I want to avoid an overly two-tone look, as that's been kind of ruined by bodged scoots from far off places. Going for an in-between vibe, post-rally, pre P range
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:22 pm quote
My 2 cents...

The TSR horncast would look good with a sprint or maybe GS guard (which you can get for P forks). But then need old-school cowls too... And then a VBB style rear light. I.e. use a P frame to replicate an older model like Scooter and Service do.

I like where you were going with the middle ground... keep it P but knock the squareness off with those cowls and guard you have. But to me the P style horncast looks better with that setup.

Iíve yet to see the ultimate P rear light upgrade. That Russian one you have is pretty out-there unique awesome tho. But donít tractor light mount it...
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:24 pm quote
biggraham wrote:
Here are the various light options I have, the small one I bought from Russia!
What does top right look like?
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:42 pm quote
Funnily enough, I was trying that top right tail light out in the last few days, but for some reason, the fact that's it's slightly angled upwards when mounted on a P ( and maybe on the original scooters as to make it more visible?)really bothers me. If the top was parallel to the road, like a rally or sprint, I'd like it more. I've even debated filing it down, maybe a sly shim under a gasket, but ultimately my tail light choice may depend if I keep the patina vibe or go for vintage custom paint. I'll try and take/find a pic to show the angle that I mean.
Thanks for all the replies, btw, thoroughly appreciated!
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:50 pm quote
Re: 'But I'm just backdated!
I'll be using this Bajaj fender, as it still has the seam but no p range side indents. There's a rough mock-up in an earlier post. With that fender, smoothed cowls, bumper and a replacement glovebox, not too mention perhaps some difficulty matching the faded silver paint, that's one of the main reasons I'm considering an old dealer special vibe.

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Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:55 pm quote
As to the rear indicators, I'm debating the matching Tasso indicator unit, but I'm also considering some other options. Perhaps an led lightstrip on the license plate frame,(includes an extra brake light too), or two thin indicator led strips on each side of the plate, or even two license plate bolts w lights built-in. Again, these may well depend on the size of tail light I use..
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:56 pm quote
I'm thinking paint a little similar to this:

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Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:58 pm quote
biggraham wrote:
Funnily enough, I was trying that top right tail light out in the last few days, but for some reason, the fact that's it's slightly angled upwards when mounted on a P ( and maybe on the original scooters as to make it more visible?)really bothers me. If the top was parallel to the road, like a rally or sprint, I'd like it more. I've even debated filing it down, maybe a sly shim under a gasket, but ultimately my tail light choice may depend if I keep the patina vibe or go for vintage custom paint. I'll try and take/find a pic to show the angle that I mean.
Thanks for all the replies, btw, thoroughly appreciated!
Yeah, whatever you do mount it or whatever horizontal. Otherwise it will stick out like dogsí balls. Can you grind some off the bottom to bring the angle down?
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:58 pm quote
Or this:

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Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:01 pm quote
Gald it's just not me being bothered about a funky angle!

Here's another idea for paint:

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Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:07 pm quote
As to the whole fake panel set, I'm not trying to build a straight copy, she'll never be a gs, but perhaps one day if I'm flush!
I'm a huge fan of the seat that's on it, so, I'll try and find a balance between retro and custom, without being too much of either.
No doubt she'll keep evolving (I have a Stella disc front end and bottom headset I'll be installing) and I may just enjoy her ratty appearance for a while.

"She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts.."
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Fri Aug 09, 2019 9:26 pm quote
Here's a Tass promo shot of their rear indicator unit, and that funky angle on the tail light!

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Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:12 pm quote
See what you mean about it pointing up and looking somehow wrong. The one on the bike above pointing down looks much better.

I like the light but I'm skeptical about grinding the housing - it might work. Or you could try a wedge base shaped like the gasket and mated to the frame. Are you handy with woodworking or have access to a 3D printer?
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:51 am quote
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See what you mean about it pointing up and looking somehow wrong. The one on the bike above pointing down looks much better.

I like the light but I'm skeptical about grinding the housing - it might work. Or you could try a wedge base shaped like the gasket and mated to the frame. Are you handy with woodworking or have access to a 3D printer?
Yeah, that shot shows the issue better. I'd also consider beating the frame to create the right angle. The section from the seat to plate mounting area on the P is really flat - likely putting curve into that would work.

What is the actual look you are going for? The bikes you are showing look very retro - because they are. My feeling is you need to commit to an era. The components will then work well together - because they were beautifully Italian designed that way.

P headset, leg shield/frame, cowls and guard is most of the body. I personally think the horn cast and a vintage paint job will clash. Plus your pipe...

I think the first shot looks awesome - rounding the corners on the P, but still a P. The Sprint light kinda works with that in mind - it is angular, yet rounded. And not a massive brick on your tail...

I like the grey. Suits a P racer better. But that's what I would want to build...

I also think the really long fork on a P looks so good bare. Or with a hugger.

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Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:59 am quote
biggraham wrote:
This scooter's fork inspired me!
Think that is a Zip fork...
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Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:27 am quote
The more I think on it, I'm gonna try a solid silver first, maybe with some pinstriping. My other vehicles (Split bus and an RD400) both have faded paint, souped-up motors with better brakes etc
So having a shiny scooter isn't really a top priority. As all the mods so far are bolt-on (bar disc headset), I'm wary to modify my frame for a light fixture. I'm basically going for an early p range prototype idea but keeping indicators for legality's sake.
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