Getting the best fuel economy, what mileage do you get?
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:58 am quote
Let's say you are planning a long trip and you are preparing your scooter. Let's also say that you have plenty of power and would sacrifice some of it for more miles/KM between fill ups. What to do? 20/20 carb on your 200? A tamer muffler? Different timing? I don't have a clue...

Also, if you check, what kind of mileage are you getting w/ what motor? I confess I've never checked . So who's getting the highest mileage on what bike?

All this thanks to Jack's earlier post:
Jack221 wrote:
If there are issues with jetting there are a few signs to look for that will make the fuel go a bit further. These maybe won't help not running out, as it will go longer between fill ups but will make it a little more economical, nicer to ride and possibly faster as well.

Doesn't matter if your scooter is factory stock or a 10,000 rpm screamer, the rules are the same. First thing to look for is the end of the exhaust pipe. If there is wetness or oil marks around the tailpipe, then the main jet is too big.

Next is the exhaust stub and downpipe. If there is black splooge dribbling out, then only the pilot jet (and/or needle jet for the big carbs) is too big.

Apparently a perfectly running 2 stroke doesn't burn 25% of the fuel, one with the jetting wrong could waste an awful lot more.
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:28 am quote
Stock PX200 disc loaded up on long trip
Done many long trips. Best I recall is about 150KM on a tank (98 premium octane). Still had a bit left. I was surprised. Just cruising peacefully with another on an LML150. No traffic. Had a windscreen. Prolly doing 80 KMPH. Had a fuel can with me. 120-130KM is more the norm at WOT.

Don't forget to top up the autolube every 3 - 4 tanks or so. Empty 2 stroke bottles can be filled with petrol if you know there is a big gap between petrol stations.

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Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:36 am quote
I've posted a few times, my jetting (as I got the scoot, third owner) is a bit weird, according to the guy who rebuilt my carb 5 years ago.

Hang on a sec while I search for my jetting (I don't have it memorized)....

120 BE4 109 on a 24/24 carb

and then SoCal Guy said
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No, you aren't necessarily leaner (than stock). Somewhere along the line, somebody swapped the stock jets on your scoot for a slightly more fuel efficient set up.

The stock air corrector is 160. The 120 on your scoot has a smaller opening, thus allowing less air to enter the mixture. All other things being equal, that would make the set up richer.

But the 109 main jet you have is leaner than the stock 116 - it allows less fuel to enter the mixture. It more or less balances out the richer air corrector.

As you say, the scoot runs fine. The combination of leaner main and smaller air corrector isn't "wrong" per se. You may just be sacrificing a little power and top speed for fuel efficiency.
BTW, the answer is no, the scoot was never in California. I got it from a guy in New York (Buffalo), he got it from someone in Florida. No clue as to where it started out new...or if I'm the third owner.
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:43 am quote
I usually get 70-80 mpg on my P200 with the above setup, auto lube intact. I'm happiest tooling around between 45 and 50, though I don't know if that's me or the scooter. I can get it up to 60 or so, but it takes a long time to get there.

And I have a fly screen on it....
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:25 am quote
uncle scrooge
well, if u want a longest mileage, it will be me


from my recent touring last september, my pink can run till 80km/hour-100km/hour depend whether the road is smooth or not as for the fuel since i am using a 20-20 carb, custom pipe and polini 177 i end up with 34.2km for a litre of low ron fuel

and yes i have a windshield as well

good luck with the long trip Brother T and cheer
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Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:04 pm quote
Fuel economy
So I had the exact same jets and stack up as Larrytsg has on his p200. I also have a p200 in a 68 sprint all stock. It ran awesome, started with one kick, but at any speeds over 50mph it literally would run out of gas. So I went with another std. set-up.
120 main
BE3 mixer
160 air
55/160 pilot
I have noticed that the gas mileage is not really good at speeds above 50mph. Gas mileage is pretty good if I keep the rpms down. Best way to get better gas mileage in a car is to drive slower.....best way to increase gas mileage on your scoot is to lower the rev’s. Where’s the fun in that, some might add. Scott
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Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:48 am quote
Carry more fuel!
I simply carry more fuel!
Shitloads more, enough that I have a low speed wobble due to the fuel sloshing around, & I STILL run out before Ginchi & use about 40% more with a 177cc vs a 221cc !
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Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:57 am quote
I read in the service manual for my VBA that the rated fuel economy was 100mpg (42.5kpl). I thought "No effing way". It explained how to test it. Ride at 20mph (32 kph). With no hills, no wind and without stopping. The only way to do that was on a track and I didn't have access to that. I did find a way to get a ballpark estimate. I rode down a quiet, level road at different speeds. I the turned off the fuel tap and counted how many utility poles went by until it sputtered. You know what? Based on the mileage that I knew I was getting at WOT 100mpg was achievable. Mileage went down inversely proportional to speed. However, I wouldn't have the patience to ride at that speed unless I was trying to reach the next gas station. I could almost run fasrer.

Ebeth, that's a pretty impressive number that you're getting. Whats the price of gas there?
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Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:25 am quote
Can't say for sure but I probably get about the worst gas mileage of any Vespa here. The Malossi kit on the most aggressive setting and the way I ride it's almost as if you could look down at the gauge and watch it go down.
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Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:53 am quote
I'm at 6,5lt - 7,5lt /100Km on highway trips, cruising at 80Km/h - 90Km/h on my Blue P. I am pretty pleased, considering the power I can get from the engine. Of course, a 5lt fuel canister is always strapped to the floor. I am preparing a 12lt fuel tank to replace the original...
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