under bar mirrors?
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Molto Verboso
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Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:42 pm quote
So I found a picture of a Vintage vespa with an under-bar mirror on it, which I liked because I have to have a mirror by law, but hate what traditional mirrors do to the shape of the scooter, but also know that bar-end mirrors would be kind've a nightmare.

I tried playing with a couple spare mirrors I had lying around and the angle of the stem seems to be such that you can't just flip one over.

I've been googling around, and am coming up empty, and the image came off pinterest, so it's separated from any provenance, so I can't go ask the builder .

Anyone have any thoughts on where to find mirrors like this?

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Mirror like this

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Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:04 am quote
shout out to halijaro... ya know why ..
That looks like it'd either hit the leggy or be hidden under ya arm ..... I hate mirrors but can cope with leggy ones if done right .... can't wait to get me pops one on murderöné. ... still need to get the bugger running though ....

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Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:40 am quote
Hard to see, but looks like that mirror’s mounted thru the hole that holds the brake lever. On my scoots it would vibrate like a madman. I don’t know if I’d trust it not to snap off.

Also agree with bitsz, not seeing how you’d turn hard left without the mirror hitting the frame.

I think a legshield mirror might be your best option.
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:56 am quote
Notch legshield, and it will be good to go.
Molto Verboso
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:24 am quote
I have a legshield mirror that never worked worth a damn. It'll serve as a prototype, at the very least.

My existing mirrors all suck pretty bad for vibration and general usefulness, anyway, sad to say, so this can't be much of a downgrade.
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:24 am quote
I've seen those mirrors mounted to a special clutch/brake lever pivot bolt, but on top; never underneath.
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:07 am quote
funky town
I don't mind the look of them f1 mirrors they do cheaper ones on ebay ..... don't know how useful they'd be being so short

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POP-10mm-Thread-Aluminum-Motorcycle-Rectangle-Rearview-Mirrors-For-Honda/142883374395?hash=item214483453b:g:X4cAAOSwjzJbELlP


You'd need a thread adapter to fit it to the lever .... shit loads of shapes too these are just an idea to show the cheapness .... ☺... not a fan of fake carbon though 😝

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think it'll fit summat like this ..... not bad looking but dunno how useful



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Molto Verboso
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:45 am quote
I am preparing a mod on my blue P among other things. Bar end mirrors. And yes they will be stable. If it works well and how I am imagining it, I'll update you with the mod...

I just can't decide if I like them top or bottom...

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Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:48 pm quote
I put this one up in a thread a few years ago, doesn't look like it would hit the legshields? It's a pretty small mirror though. I think Bitz on on to something with the narrow rectangular ones.

Molto Verboso
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:49 pm quote
Yep, that's more-or-less what I was thinking, Ginch, but with an oval mirror.

I never got out to the garage today to prototype it with the kidney-shaped legshield mirror. I still think it'll work, just need to figure out the right stem length and maybe a little bit of bending to get the angle just right.
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Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:28 pm quote
SaFiS wrote:
I am preparing a mod on my blue P among other things. Bar end mirrors. And yes they will be stable. If it works well and how I am imagining it, I'll update you with the mod...

I just can't decide if I like them top or bottom...
That would be fairly easy to do on the throttle side, if a motocross style throttle tube and housing are used. It sounds like you’re thinking about bringing it to the next level though. I can’t wait to see what you have planned. I’m guessing a full floating outer shifter tube, with the inner tube being static?
Molto Verboso
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Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:34 am quote
I spent a few minutes playing with the legshield mirror yesterday and there's definitely potential there.

The threaded stem is too long on the one I have and you'd need to remove the headset to install or remove it, but in the attached picture, I was sitting on the bike aiming down my line of sight to the mirror and it had a clear view back to the VBB.

Even holding it in place like that and the stem a couple inches lower than in a real installation, it didn't interfere with the legshield when I turned the headset, either.

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Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:05 pm quote
watching this
That there looks like it would work ..... just don't forget to put a locking nut on the thread before stripping the bars to fit the stem 😉 it'd make for a long job 😁
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Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:45 am quote
I’ve got those rectangular mirrors bolted on the glove box. Work well.

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Molto Verboso
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Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:18 am quote
Warhorse wrote:
I’ve got those rectangular mirrors bolted on the glove box. Work well.
Do you recall where you ordered those from?
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Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:38 am quote
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Ebay motorcycle mirrors. .... theres loads
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Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:30 pm quote
Hello.
Is it a “Protest mirror”?
What I mean is some countries insist that by law you must have a Mirror.

So Clever dickie fits one like that to avoid getting nicked.
Here in the England I had to attach a horn to my leg shield to get through an MOT (Annual Inspection with the excuse to raid your wallet at every opportunity). It was the type you only see Clowns running about scaring Kids with.
It may be totally impractical.
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Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:05 pm quote
Hey Chandlerman, I'm using this one. Cheap chinese bar end mirror, goes into one of the mirror holes. Total "lipstick mirror".
It doesn't hit your knee, doesn't hit the legshield, and is almost invisibile, especially for the rider.

I think I have some more of these lying around.

Congratulations on the new scoot! (wasn't on the forum for a while)

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Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:56 am quote
*Winks*
Warhorse wrote:
I’ve got those rectangular mirrors bolted on the glove box. Work well.
I've done something similar with folding bar end mirrors, works really well. Apologies for Enormopics.





Molto Verboso
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Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:08 am quote
ninjah wrote:
Hey Chandlerman, I'm using this one. Cheap chinese bar end mirror, goes into one of the mirror holes. Total "lipstick mirror".
It doesn't hit your knee, doesn't hit the legshield, and is almost invisibile, especially for the rider.

I think I have some more of these lying around.

Congratulations on the new scoot! (wasn't on the forum for a while)
Thanks!

yeah, I'm looking for something that's at least moderately functional, because I know it can be based on my prototype.

V oodoo has offered to help me out if I need to do something custom, and I also have friends with access to heavy-duty CNC machines and big ass powdercoat ovens if I want to go the full custom route.

Aaaand....I realized that what I needed was an adjustable stem, googled "adjustable stem mirror," and this mirror came up as the second hit (first was this mirror on Amazon, but it's backordered there).

I went ahead and ordered one, so we'll see what it looks like when it gets here.

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It was there the whole damn time, I just was using the wrong search term.

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Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:43 am quote
Ta daaaaaa
Now ya talking. ... no need to remove the headset now
Molto Verboso
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Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:06 am quote
Re: Ta daaaaaa
T5bitza69 wrote:
Now ya talking. ... no need to remove the headset now
Yep, and pretty much infinitely adjustable to get it just where I want it.
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Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:33 pm quote
Nice!
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:26 am quote
I've also done the motorcycle bar end mirror mounted to the side of the glovebox - it did actually work well. All the legshield mirrors I tried were junk and shorter regular mirrors were basically useless.

I like seeing directly behind me and the convex bar end style mirrors work great for that.
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:12 pm quote
check out the following websites...all have high quality mirrors...

british customs
bella course
dime city cycles
joker machine
twisted throttle
crg

i went the cheap chinese bar end mirror route...same mirrors as ninjah...i had underbar mirrors on previous bikes which i really liked but there is no space on a scooter without hitting the leg guard and sometimes no real bars to mount them on
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Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:17 pm quote
Point37 wrote:
check out the following websites...all have high quality mirrors...

british customs
bella course
dime city cycles
joker machine
twisted throttle
crg

i went the cheap chinese bar end mirror route...same mirrors as ninjah...i had underbar mirrors on previous bikes which i really liked but there is no space on a scooter without hitting the leg guard and sometimes no real bars to mount them on
The Chinese didn't make the cheap knock off mirrors when I was looking for one, so I ended up buying the CRG "lane splitter" mirror for my T5. They are very nice though.
Molto Verboso
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Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:52 am quote
Dime City Cycles wound up being the winner.

Mirrors arrive and other than having tinted glass, pretty much perfect.

I'll need to get some better mounting bolts than what I had lying around in the garage, but you get the picture.

Now I'm kind've wishing I'd ordered a pair rather than just the one, but I'm happy with it either way.

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Driver's view

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It only looks like it will hit the legshield

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clearance over the legshield

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Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:06 pm quote
That mirror looks sweet! Good job making that happen. Also, I like the stack of scooter tires in the corner.
Molto Verboso
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Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:18 am quote
qascooter wrote:
That mirror looks sweet! Good job making that happen. Also, I like the stack of scooter tires in the corner.
I'm pretty happy with how it's going to turn out. And the only problem with that stack of tires is that none of them are my second snow tire. I've lost it in the damn garage, which is a problem now that it's snow n' ice season.

The difference in traction between the Heidenau snow tire on the front (they were my Secret Santa Gift from MJRally last year. Thanks again, dude!) and the Heidenau street tire on the rear is pretty amazing. Those Germans know their rubber!
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