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Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:00 pm quote
Dooglas wrote:
WEB-Tech wrote:
Earth is constantly creating new petrol reserves it's not set amount like we use to think when the thought was that the oil was coming from decaying dinosaurs.
I don't think that anyone who knows how petroleum was created ever thought that the process stopped at some time in the past. On the other hand, the rate at which we are extracting it far exceeds the rate at which it is being created. Most petroleum being extracted is over 200 million years old. We have only been extracting it for about 150 years.
Spot on, Dooglas.
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:38 am quote
Dooglas wrote:
WEB-Tech wrote:
Earth is constantly creating new petrol reserves it's not set amount like we use to think when the thought was that the oil was coming from decaying dinosaurs.
I don't think that anyone who knows how petroleum was created ever thought that the process stopped at some time in the past. On the other hand, the rate at which we are extracting it far exceeds the rate at which it is being created. Most petroleum being extracted is over 200 million years old. We have only been extracting it for about 150 years.
?? Well they use to think it came from the dead Dinosaurs, that is how it got the nick name DYNO Fuel, so EVERYONE in the whole industry thought that at one point

20 years ago it was thought we only had 100 years of oil left in the earth.
And in 150 years look how far we have come and we have another 2000 years to figure out an alternative with what we KNOW we have.
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Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:17 pm quote
Sorry WEB-Tech...

Oil has never been thought to have come from decaying animals or meat. Oil comes from decaying plant matter, and in fact, most of the world's oil comes from decayed algae.

And as for the word "dyno":

dyno(Noun)
1. A dynamic climbing move or jump to reach a hold that cannot otherwise be reached.

2. A rapid move across a rock face in order to reach a hold.

3. Short for "dynamometer"

Word origin:
Early 19th century: from French dynamomètre, from Greek dunamis ‘power’ + French -mètre ‘(instrument) measuring’.

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Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:44 am quote
For the tough audience, let's pull all tricks from the sleeve: scrambler, retro AND electric.

By an US brand Fly Free Smart, called Smart Desert:

https://flyfreesmart.com/smart-desert/


Well, OK, some tricks still missing - the electricity part is not that spectacular, top speed and range nothing to brag about.

But still, for a quick spin....

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Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:37 am quote
And Now For Something Completely Different...
...would you believe, an electric superbike, with 6-speed manual, from Kymco?

https://imotorbike.my/news/en/2019/01/kymco-set-to-usher-into-2019-with-new-electric-superbike-supernex

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Have your electrons and shifty too?

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Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:25 am quote
Jet Peddler wrote:
Sorry WEB-Tech...

Oil has never been thought to have come from decaying animals or meat. Oil comes from decaying plant matter, and in fact, most of the world's oil comes from decayed algae.

And as for the word "dyno":

Not dYno, dIno. Not the same word. No one calls to Dyno Oil they call it Dino oil.

And you are wrong, it was once thought to come from Dinosaurs, I was taught this in School in the 60's.
Here's a hole article on how it's not from Dinosaurs, so OBVIOUSLY it "was thought" to be at some point.

And some people still think oil comes from dinosaurs.

https://www.powells.com/post/original-essays/does-oil-come-from-dinosaurs

"No, oil doesn’t come from dinosaurs. It’s a persistent myth and I’m asked about it a lot. You may have heard this idea in school, read it in books, or taken it on authority from learned persons holding forth about the nature of our planet. Recently, an Internet meme has been bouncing around that shows a collection of small dinosaur toys. The overprinting reads, “If oil is made from decomposed dinosaurs, and plastic is made from oil, are dinosaur toys made from real dinosaurs?” It’s a fun idea, but no. "
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:57 am quote
Re: And Now For Something Completely Different...
amateriat wrote:
...would you believe, an electric superbike, with 6-speed manual, from Kymco?

https://imotorbike.my/news/en/2019/01/kymco-set-to-usher-into-2019-with-new-electric-superbike-supernex
Well that's kind of cool. ...just because you don't *need* to shift doesn't mean there aren't benefits of shifting.
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:10 am quote
Re: Future
Harbinger wrote:
I think it is probably done but it will take a while. The technology I'm sure will improve and they will figure out the range issue. There is a LOT of money in the world related to the the internal combustion engine and oil. Those involved will not roll over easily. A lot of infrastructure also needs to change including things like condo parking. Very few have electricity at the spot let alone 240. Even new developments are only roughing in the conduit and new owners have the option of paying for it. Most spots are still not electric vehicle ready.
it's all about charging infrastructure, battery range, swappable battery systems and recharge times...until then i'm sure exploration of any type of vehicle power source will be investigated...if elon musk can get his hyperloop system running that may fix some of the congestion to major cities which is something i would love to see...i believe he is underway in constructing on a small scale in LA right now
TroutBum wrote:
a Canadian company, is already making a liquid fuel by sucking carbon dioxide (CO2) out of the atmosphere and combining it with hydrogen from water.

Combustion engines could be around for a very very long time.
this is interesting...any article links?

edit: found it
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/07/carbon-engineering-and-harvard-find-way-to-convert-co2-to-gasoline.html
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:36 am quote
Re: And Now For Something Completely Different...
amateriat wrote:
...would you believe, an electric superbike, with 6-speed manual, from Kymco?

https://imotorbike.my/news/en/2019/01/kymco-set-to-usher-into-2019-with-new-electric-superbike-supernex
Although I can't see myself buying a sports bike in the real world, I would definitely like to take a test ride with this one!

It is an interesting approach to have gears and clutch....makes the bike behave more like a traditional sports bike, but is that what will attract buyers - to be seen.

Nice product placement by Dainese in the vid...
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Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:44 pm quote
Harley Livewire pricing announced at $30k for 110 miles range. Ouch.

Get a max battery Zero for about $20k I think?
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Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:05 pm quote
Finland is definitely not the first place to seek new motorcycle companies.
That's why I was glad to notice a newcomer in the field of electric motorcycles!

I like the fancy hubles rear wheel design...as well as the technical specs, this is a real motorcycle. The looks, well...... and the price is right up where it seems to be for many others models too.

https://www.rmkvehicles.com

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Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:52 am quote
RRider wrote:
Finland is definitely not the first place to seek new motorcycle companies.
That's why I was glad to notice a newcomer in the field of electric motorcycles!

I like the fancy hubles rear wheel design...as well as the technical specs, this is a real motorcycle. The looks, well...... and the price is right up where it seems to be for many others models too.

https://www.rmkvehicles.com
Well its a tidy 3D model in virtual reality. Some neat new ideas so I hope it does become a working prototype at least.
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Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:46 pm quote
roadster wrote:
RRider wrote:
Finland is definitely not the first place to seek new motorcycle companies.
That's why I was glad to notice a newcomer in the field of electric motorcycles!

I like the fancy hubles rear wheel design...as well as the technical specs, this is a real motorcycle. The looks, well...... and the price is right up where it seems to be for many others models too.

https://www.rmkvehicles.com
Well its a tidy 3D model in virtual reality. Some neat new ideas so I hope it does become a working prototype at least.
I studied this a bit more, as I really like the technical idea (patented) of putting electric motor into the rear wheel - it' just cool, in a way that using the liberties of electricity should be

It turned out that they indeed already have a proto! They are running around with that almost 24/7....it looks quite much like the design, but without paint etc. They've promised to dress it pretty for the main motorcycle show in Finland, at the beginning of February.

The key guy behind this is a young, 28 years old fellow called Teemu Saukkio. He's been playing around with design exersices and build himself a street legal e-bike the last year (in the pic). This bike's battery was made of used battery cells of old laptops, as he just wished to show that's possible, contrary what the others told him. Then he got the idea of a hubless, integrated electric motor.... will be interesting to see where this will lead.

Teemu_Saukkio_ja_E1_7645.jpg

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Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:11 am quote
^^^def pretty cool...i wonder what the weight of that bike is...doesn't look like it wants to lean over at all judging by the size of the chicken strips on the tires
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Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:47 am quote
Jet Peddler wrote:
Sorry WEB-Tech...

Oil has never been thought to have come from decaying animals or meat. .....................

Sure it has . Sinclair Oil used dinosaurs as logos. When I was a little kid, my parents took me into Oklahoma City to see the huge, traveling Sinclair Oil Dinosaur exhibit, where the company guys in the lab coats told all of us kids about how the gasoline in our dad's cars was made from REAL LIVE (not so live) DINOSAURS!!!!

They had these huge dinosaurs placed all over the park and we could climb up on them and get our picture taken. Okay, I still have a couple of those pictures.....

What I don't recall is whether or not the guys in the these-make-me-look-so-smart lab coats maybe also told us that the earth was flat.
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Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:22 pm quote
Coppers on copper coils:

https://advrider.com/some-police-departments-opting-for-e-bikes/

Part of me says this is cool; part of me says they should buy something cheaper.
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Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:30 am quote
tdrake wrote:
Coppers on copper coils:

https://advrider.com/some-police-departments-opting-for-e-bikes/

Part of me says this is cool; part of me says they should buy something cheaper.
Funny to read this and especially to see copper coils (that's a good one...) on ADV type bikes. It was just yesterday that I was doing a bit cross country skiing.

While admiring the sun (rare around here at this time) and silence, I though how cool an electric off-road(ish) bike would be. Around here, using ICE (as Internal Combustion Engine) is in general prohibited/ limited in forests. So, we have tons of nice forest and paths, but it's a tad illegal to use most of them for riding.

Part of this is to prevent physical wear, but part is also because of noise and other disturbance. So instead, using a bicycle, even electrically assisted is legal in most places.

Legistlation doesn't cover e-motorcycles that well yet, but in practise they would be a nice option. Admit, many of them still either too heavy or the range a bit limited. And all just bloody expensive

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Too cold for me to ride, so I'll hsve to figure out other ways to pass the time. Cross country skiing on ice is not among the worsts...

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Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:27 pm quote
... what about Ural?

Well, OK, it's still just a prototype, but not bad..

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Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:34 pm quote
RMK delivered a proto to the motorcycle show as promised!

This is still a prototype, albeit fully functional.
The whole core team was present, they and the bike attracted a lot of attention.

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Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:46 pm quote
RRider wrote:
RMK delivered a proto to the motorcycle show as promised!

This is still a prototype, albeit fully functional.
The whole core team was present, they and the bike attracted a lot of attention.
Thanks for posting this. The design trend in bikes and cars these days is moving toward sharp edges. GM and Lexus are the notable automotive companies. The BMW R1200RT and C650GT are examples in the motorcycle world. This bike is another example of the sharp edges.

It looks like the drive motor is in the rear hub which doesn't rotate and the wheel revolves around the hub?? I've seem lots of concept bikes do this but are commercially available bikes offering this now?

Have any pictures of the rear while inside the hub and on the other side as well?

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Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:58 pm quote
The problems with putting the motor in the rear wheel (which is an obvious place for it) is the increase in unsprung weight and the rearward weight bias.
I’m guessing it does great wheelies though.
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Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:39 pm quote
RRider wrote:
RMK delivered a proto to the motorcycle show as promised!

This is still a prototype, albeit fully functional.
The whole core team was present, they and the bike attracted a lot of attention.
Reminds me a lot the Tron movie. Can't decide if that's good or not.
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Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:27 pm quote
znomit wrote:
The problems with putting the motor in the rear wheel (which is an obvious place for it) is the increase in unsprung weight and the rearward weight bias.
I’m guessing it does great wheelies though.
Damn physics always seem to get in the way!

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Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:52 pm quote
Miguel wrote:
RRider wrote:
RMK delivered a proto to the motorcycle show as promised!

This is still a prototype, albeit fully functional.
The whole core team was present, they and the bike attracted a lot of attention.
Thanks for posting this. The design trend in bikes and cars these days is moving toward sharp edges. GM and Lexus are the notable automotive companies. The BMW R1200RT and C650GT are examples in the motorcycle world. This bike is another example of the sharp edges.

It looks like the drive motor is in the rear hub which doesn't rotate and the wheel revolves around the hub?? I've seem lots of concept bikes do this but are commercially available bikes offering this now?

Have any pictures of the rear while inside the hub and on the other side as well?

Best
Miguel
That's indeed the rear wheel construction - here's a better pic of the desing.

1549143905652_IMG_20190201_124553.jpg

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Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:08 pm quote
Miguel wrote:
znomit wrote:
The problems with putting the motor in the rear wheel (which is an obvious place for it) is the increase in unsprung weight and the rearward weight bias.
I’m guessing it does great wheelies though.
Damn physics always seem to get in the way!

Miguel
So true, they've discussed this in the Finnish media.
On the positive side, there's no separate break mechanism needed, so there's also a tiny bit of unsprung weight saving with this design.

The designers themselves are quite fond of modern cruiser type of bikes, so there' s quite a bit of that spirit in the design. Although it looks sporty, it's quite long on purpose and the foot pegs are brought forward... and yeah, it seems that torque will be limited somewhere around 300Nm... with the weight of batteries and long frame, it's then rather donuts than wheelies?
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Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:26 pm quote
Miguel wrote:
The design trend in bikes and cars these days is moving toward sharp edges. GM and Lexus are the notable automotive companies. The BMW R1200RT and C650GT are examples in the motorcycle world. This bike is another example of the sharp edges.
I've noticed the same. It's kind of funny, that the design fads go in waves, from edgy to round and then edgy again..

I still think that Marcello Gaudini's LP400 Lamborghini, the first designs, is one the masterpieces in combining both round and edgy design - a matter of taste of course.
All the worse was to see the later re-incarnations of the Countach, without any clue of design what so ever....

lamborghini_countach_lp400_periscopo_16_0.jpg
The original.

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Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:12 pm quote
RRider wrote:
Miguel wrote:
The design trend in bikes and cars these days is moving toward sharp edges. GM and Lexus are the notable automotive companies. The BMW R1200RT and C650GT are examples in the motorcycle world. This bike is another example of the sharp edges.
I've noticed the same. It's kind of funny, that the design fads go in waves, from edgy to round and then edgy again..

I still think that Marcello Gaudini's LP400 Lamborghini, the first designs, is one the masterpieces in combining both round and edgy design - a matter of taste of course.
All the worse was to see the later re-incarnations of the Countach, without any clue of design what so ever....
Hopefully Vespa continues with their round, soft-edged design reminiscent of the design language of the 1940s and 50s. It's certainly a design period I'm attracted to.

Keep an eye open for my new mid-winter thread on "Art Deco, Streamlined, and Steam Punk Scooters and Motorcycle" that I'll launch this week. Not many sharp edges in any of the designs I like. It's just how I roll.

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Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:07 am quote
Has anyone read about the Harley Electric scooter that is coming out?
Looks kind of like a Ruckus.
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Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:35 am quote
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Has anyone read about the Harley Electric scooter that is coming out. Looks kind of like a Ruckus.
No, got any links or references?
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Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:16 am quote
Does it not remind you of a Ruckus with larger wheels?
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Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:34 am quote
RRider wrote:
Miguel wrote:
The design trend in bikes and cars these days is moving toward sharp edges. GM and Lexus are the notable automotive companies. The BMW R1200RT and C650GT are examples in the motorcycle world. This bike is another example of the sharp edges.
I've noticed the same. It's kind of funny, that the design fads go in waves, from edgy to round and then edgy again..

I still think that Marcello Gaudini's LP400 Lamborghini, the first designs, is one the masterpieces in combining both round and edgy design - a matter of taste of course.
All the worse was to see the later re-incarnations of the Countach, without any clue of design what so ever....
Very happy you posted this: A reminder that the Countach, the very first time around, was in fact a beautiful car, which eventually was transformed into something terribly cartoonish, to put it gently. If you hadn't pointed out that this was a design from the Motor Company, I'd never have guessed...and in this case, IMO, that's not a good thing.
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:56 pm quote
Finn Cycle golf scoots
To be honest, I've always found golf an utterly boring sport. I've tried it, and should appreciate all the nice things it can offer.... but just get bored on all the waiting and moving around.

Now, with these little toys...


https://www.finnscooters.com

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Thu Feb 21, 2019 1:32 pm quote
Re: Finn Cycle golf scoots
RRider wrote:
To be honest, I've always found golf an utterly boring sport. I've tried it, and should appreciate all the nice things it can offer.... but just get bored on all the waiting and moving around.

Now, with these little toys...


https://www.finnscooters.com
That's...interesting. But sorry, golf's still dull as dishwater to me. And I've tried it too.
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How about this? From GB with love...

http://www.veitis.com

GB? The dead giveaway is that there's no puddle of oil under it.
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Re: Veitis
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How about this? From GB with love...

http://www.veitis.com

GB? The dead giveaway is that there's no puddle of oil under it. [/i]
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:08 pm quote
Re: Finn Cycle golf scoots
RRider wrote:
To be honest, I've always found golf an utterly boring sport. I've tried it, and should appreciate all the nice things it can offer.... but just get bored on all the waiting and moving around.

Now, with these little toys...


https://www.finnscooters.com
That could make golf more interesting if they make it more like polo - if you get off the scoot, there's a penalty stroke. Make it a timed event.
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:12 am quote
Re: Finn Cycle golf scoots
Captain Jim wrote:
RRider wrote:
To be honest, I've always found golf an utterly boring sport. I've tried it, and should appreciate all the nice things it can offer.... but just get bored on all the waiting and moving around.

Now, with these little toys...


https://www.finnscooters.com
That could make golf more interesting if they make it more like polo - if you get off the scoot, there's a penalty stroke. Make it a timed event.
Now that's an idea! They could count me in.
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Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:43 am quote
Maybe
May be vaporware. Price seems low.

https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/lightning-strike-motor-and-ride-position-teased-in-new-photos#page-2

If that comes out at the advertised price and specs, will change the market. I'd probably have to check one out.

Since electric motors produce max torque at nearly zero RPM, a transmission isn't strictly necessary. But most motors have limited high-RPM capability. For a real motorcycle, gearing for a desired top speed (say, 100 MPH) means a very high gear ratio, making low speed performance somewhat lazy. Probably doesn't need a six speed, but 2 or 3 can definitely improve acceleration.
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Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:48 am quote
Re: Maybe
Jimding wrote:
Since electric motors produce max torque at nearly zero RPM, a transmission isn't strictly necessary. But most motors have limited high-RPM capability. For a real motorcycle, gearing for a desired top speed (say, 100 MPH) means a very high gear ratio, making low speed performance somewhat lazy. Probably doesn't need a six speed, but 2 or 3 can definitely improve acceleration.
Electric motors can be designed to produce maximum torque wherever its needed. For example electric hover mowers usually produce very little torque at zero rpm and have to be cleared of obstructions before you can spin them up. Always some trade-off of course so you can't rule out some electric vehicles being designed with variable gear ratios.
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